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Old 08-28-17, 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
This bike could never realistically be used in the same way that an mtb could, so why would anyone ever think that?
Literally the only video Specialized released to promo the 2018 Diverge was of it being ridden on singletrack exactly like an MTB. If they never intended for anyone to ride it on singletrack, why is that how they advertised it?
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Originally Posted by curttard View Post
Literally the only video Specialized released to promo the 2018 Diverge was of it being ridden on singletrack exactly like an MTB. If they never intended for anyone to ride it on singletrack, why is that how they advertised it?
That's a dirt road, not singletrack.

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Old 08-29-17, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by speshelite View Post
I think you've raised some fair questions rider51.

I don't think spec. ever intended for this to be a 'cross bike. Not even close. It doesn't have cross geometry. It's not marketed as a 'cross bike. The only logical conclusion is that it is NOT a cross bike.

Instead it is what it is. Namely, an endurance road bike with some very enticing and extremely effective comfort features. These features carry a weight 'penalty' but the presence of the features alone signal to a buyer readily enough that these are not designed for weight weenies.

FS and the fatter tires turn this bike into a cruiser with as much comfort as you would ever want or need for a road bike with occasional or maybe even more than occasional dirt road use.

This bike could never realistically be used in the same way that an mtb could, so why would anyone ever think that?

The objections I've had with previous posts is that they are so completely random, and out of line with anything that could be reasonably expected, they are simply best ignored.

For anyone plunking down $2K or more it would behoove them to take 20 or 30 seconds to take a look at the geometry chart and see if the numbers align with a bike that would serve their purposes given the type of riding they intend to do.

Some riders are acting as if they received the bike without any spec or geometry info. It's not as if this info is top secret classified: it's right on the specialized website!

Let potential buyers do just the most minimal homework ahead of time. It's like buying a triple cheeseburger, xlarge choco milkshake and double order of cheese fries then complaining later that the meal had too many calories.

Or rather as if they'd ordered a triple cheeseburger with a double order chili cheese fries with a diet coke then complaining the meal has too many calories because they ordered a diet coke.

Agree with this. The '18 Diverge was on my shortlist. I figured with the future shock and fatter tires, it would be ready to party. But then I looked at the geometry. The BB drop is creepy (I won't run less than 175mm cranks), the angles are still way steep (58 is 72.5/73.5 with 50mm fork offset - no thanks), and short stays (I've got VERY long legs). Weird. Bike design by committee?
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Old 08-29-17, 08:45 PM
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I guess people should remember that the Diverge is still a road bike so you need to expect road bike handling and not MTB handling (eg: pedalling at corners), the only difference would be the Diverge would be able to handle rougher grounds better than a road bike but it'll be slower at technical sections than a MTB.

Just look at this video and you'll see how easy MTB terrain becomes a little bit challenging for gravel bikes (or in other words, you'll need to work on your skills)



Honestly if you ask me, if you need more slacker geo than the Diverge, I feel a MTB would be a better suit, heck an Epic Hardtail is around 10kg if I recall which is either lighter or equivalent to gravel bikes weight and with more front suspension travel and room for super large tires. I totally don't like the "trend" like Fox AX and Lefty Oliver as it's essentially turning road bike into MTB hardtails, might as well put drop bars on your MTB and you get a way more versatile bike than a gravel bike.

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Old 08-30-17, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by wheelhot View Post
I guess people should remember that the Diverge is still a road bike so you need to expect road bike handling and not MTB handling (eg: pedalling at corners), the only difference would be the Diverge would be able to handle rougher grounds better than a road bike but it'll be slower at technical sections than a MTB.

Just look at this video and you'll see how easy MTB terrain becomes a little bit challenging for gravel bikes (or in other words, you'll need to work on your skills)

Honestly if you ask me, if you need more slacker geo than the Diverge, I feel a MTB would be a better suit, heck an Epic Hardtail is around 10kg if I recall which is either lighter or equivalent to gravel bikes weight and with more front suspension travel and room for super large tires. I totally don't like the "trend" like Fox AX and Lefty Oliver as it's essentially turning road bike into MTB hardtails, might as well put drop bars on your MTB and you get a way more versatile bike than a gravel bike.
+1 I totally agree. A gravel bike is much closer
to a road bike than an MTB. Some trails are just not suited for gravel bikes, especially when the ground has roots or big stones. I once rode a MTB trail with a road bike and it was not fun. With a gravel bike, I do not want to be able to do sharp curvs for example. Some non technical oriented MTB rider that ride only on dirt roads or so might be better of with a gravel bike. I think that there exist quite a lot of "soft" (non technical) MTB riders out there. In the last couple of years I did only a handfull rides with my MTB that could not have been done with a gravel bike. But for those, I need a MTB, if I really want to do these rides.
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Old 08-30-17, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wheelhot View Post
I guess people should remember that the Diverge is still a road bike so you need to expect road bike handling

I agree. The buyer is responsible for remembering that fact, because the folks in advertising are telling us how Specialized has "slacked out the head tube angle" (yet the 56 and 58 have the same steep 72.5* HTA as 2017) and the bike is ready for "endless dirt skids and mid corner drifts." This bike (56) has the same HTA and fork offset as my 2010 Roubaix.
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Has anyone had an opportunity to ride both alloy and carbon models of the new Diverge? Ideally the E5 Comp with futureshock, as well as a carbon model with futureshock. I've been searching for a road bike the past couple months, and was initially looking at Roubaixs, but I'm leaning more and more to the Diverge now since it's little more relaxed, more comfy, and offers more versatility.

My LBS has the new models, but doesn't have the E5 Comp in stock in my size (56). I was able to take the carbon Comp out though....and wow. Loved this bike, and I probably made a mistake trying it out since it's a little out of my price range, but I wanted to check out the futureshock. I tested out an '16 Roubaix Comp SL4 Udi2 (on sale for $2799 CDN) and '16 Diverge Comp DSW ($2559) before the '18 Diverge, and the new Diverge with futureshock just took so much more of the edge off....to the point where it's pretty much a 'must' in my head now.

They offered to do 10% off the carbon Comp, which is really generous on a brand new model, but it still puts it more than what I was looking to spend ($3599). The E5 Comp hit more at a price I was hoping for ($2449 CDN). I LOVED the Comp though, and in my head I'm half thinking if I should try and find a way to stretch and get it.

So now I'm just wondering how dramatic of a difference there is in terms of feel/ride between the E5 Comp and carbon Comp. I know the latter has a carbon frame vs alloy, hydraulic vs mechanical disc brakes and CG-R seatpost. Not sure if I could get the 10% off the E5 Comp - the guy might have just been trying to help me out since the Comp was the model they had my size in. So the 10% off the Comp would make it $3599 (CDN prices) vs $2449 which is the reg price for the E5 Comp.

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Old 08-31-17, 04:51 PM
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a lot of discussion about what this bike is intended to do.

It's not a do-it-all bike. That is something like a Salsa Cutthroat (which I have). This bike, to me, is an endurance road bike that can handle some off-road areas and gravel. Or, to put it another way, it's a Roubaix with fatter tires (I know, not literally, but for the purposes of deciding how to ride it)

If you want to ride singletrack on a drop bar bike, I'll push you to grab a Salsa Cutthroat (because it is TRULY awesome).
If you want to ride long roads with the ability to go offroad and not obliterate yourself, grab a Diverge

Just my $0.02

speaking of which....some pics

LBS took delivery yesterday. Weight is with SWAT, no pedals, and tubes

I'll probably end up doing something wih the stem, possibly a Thompson Elite X4, S-Works hover bars, and almost definitely going to either go for a 44t or perhaps a 50-34 Force22 (haven't decided yet). Already took delivery of the Quarq power meter, so that'll be going on shortly.

Still deciding on tires. I want a fast-rolling gravel tire that has some bite on the sides, something notably bigger than the 38c Trigger Pro, which I like, but is only 38c. I'd prefer a 42c tire, or if possible a 44 or 45c such as a 1.8 Renegade or WTB Riddler. Will have to test clearance. They said a 1.8" Storm Control on a Roval Control wheel fit, but i gotta see it myself to believe it
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Old 08-31-17, 06:04 PM
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Great looking bike. Congrats!
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Originally Posted by sgtrobo View Post
a lot of discussion about what this bike is intended to do.

It's not a do-it-all bike. That is something like a Salsa Cutthroat (which I have). This bike, to me, is an endurance road bike that can handle some off-road areas and gravel. Or, to put it another way, it's a Roubaix with fatter tires (I know, not literally, but for the purposes of deciding how to ride it)
It took 18 pages, but FINALLY someone else willing to state what is common sensical.

The diverge is an evolution of the secteur (adding a CGR, FS and discs), and the secteur was an aluminum version of the roubaix with identical geometry.

No one with an ounce of common sense would ever believe the Diverge is either a cyclocross much less an mtb.

Now that the top secret NSA files with Diverge geometry have been released, perhaps people can ride this bike the way it was intended: as a road bike with occasional ventures on dirt roads.
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Old 08-31-17, 08:56 PM
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I would have gone with the Diverge, but I think the competition has caught up. My LBS offers the 2017 Giant Anyroad Comax with composite frame and 105 configuration for $1850. The 2018 should be out soon.
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I would have gone with the Diverge, but I think the competition has caught up. My LBS offers the 2017 Giant Anyroad Comax with composite frame and 105 configuration for $1850. The 2018 should be out soon.
The 2018 looks to be a big upgrade over '17 as far as the Anyroad goes. At least in the carbon model. Better carbon, thru axle, tubeless tires to name three big improvements. Unless they were giving away the '17 comax bike, I think you'd be a bit nuts to not wait for the '18 at this point.

I have done a brief test ride of the new Diverge and of a Comax frame Anyroad. The Diverge was the lowest trim level that offers the future shock. The Diverge felt like the nicer, more premium bike to me, and that is totally subjective. I didn't ride either for long enough to gain a more nuanced or thorough impression of either.


I was surprised at how good the future shock felt, and my impression going into the test ride was that it was gimmicky.

At the same price point, the Diverge was more impressive than the Anyroad to me, and this being an alu Diverge vs. the carbon Anyroad. Not a dramatic difference, though, and I'd be happy to own either.

Two things will probably keep me from buying a Diverge. First is the overly (IMO) low bottom bracket. Second is the small worry about the proprietary future shock. Will it be a fly by night thing that is gone in 5 years, or not? Probably not, but I'm slightly leery of any gizmo tech like this until it becomes more widely adopted over some time.

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Originally Posted by syncro87 View Post
The 2018 looks to be a big upgrade over '17 as far as the Anyroad goes. At least in the carbon model. Better carbon, thru axle, tubeless tires to name three big improvements. Unless they were giving away the '17 comax bike, I think you'd be a bit nuts to not wait for the '18 at this point.

I have done a brief test ride of the new Diverge and of a Comax frame Anyroad. The Diverge was the lowest trim level that offers the future shock. The Diverge felt like the nicer, more premium bike to me, and that is totally subjective. I didn't ride either for long enough to gain a more nuanced or thorough impression of either.


I was surprised at how good the future shock felt, and my impression going into the test ride was that it was gimmicky.

At the same price point, the Diverge was more impressive than the Anyroad to me, and this being an alu Diverge vs. the carbon Anyroad. Not a dramatic difference, though, and I'd be happy to own either.

Two things will probably keep me from buying a Diverge. First is the overly (IMO) low bottom bracket. Second is the small worry about the proprietary future shock. Will it be a fly by night thing that is gone in 5 years, or not? Probably not, but I'm slightly leery of any gizmo tech like this until it becomes more widely adopted over some time.
Interesting analysis and comparison. I almost went with a 2017 Comax where my LBS offered $200 off the list of $1850 today. Seemed a little measly with the 2018 coming out soon. I test rode it there and thought it was ok, but nothing spectacular. It might be because I'm coming from 2007 and 2008 Tricross Comps that still feel pretty darn good.

But good info. on the 2018 Comax improvements of the carbon frame and other components I wasn't aware of. My LBS (Giant dealer) makes a point, though, that you can't get near a carbon frame and 105 groupset with an equivalent Specialized (i.e., Diverge) at the Comax price point. Probably true, I think.

Future shock sounds a bit gimmicky to me, but interesting to hear your positive report and experience with it. My Tricrosses with Zertz inserts were probably just as gimmicky 10 years ago, but I've found it dampens shock really well.

But anyway, I'm reaching the conclusion that the Diverge is probably the better bike (as you also thought). But we definitely pay for that.

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Old 09-02-17, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Richard8655 View Post
Interesting analysis and comparison. I almost went with a 2017 Comax where my LBS offered $200 off the list of $1850 today. Seemed a little measly with the 2018 coming out soon. I test rode it there and thought it was ok, but nothing spectacular. It might be because I'm coming from 2007 and 2008 Tricross Comps that still feel pretty darn good.

But good info. on the 2018 Comax improvements of the carbon frame and other components I wasn't aware of. My LBS (Giant dealer) makes a point, though, that you can't get near a carbon frame and 105 groupset with an equivalent Specialized (i.e., Diverge) at the Comax price point. Probably true, I think.

Future shock sounds a bit gimmicky to me, but interesting to hear your positive report and experience with it. My Tricrosses with Zertz inserts were probably just as gimmicky 10 years ago, but I've found it dampens shock really well.

But anyway, I'm reaching the conclusion that the Diverge is probably the better bike (as you also thought). But we definitely pay for that.

I don't think they even call the 2018 Anyroad comax any more. Something like advanced grade carbon. I seem to recall reading something a couple of years back to the effect that comax was a fairly low grade of carbon, or to some folks not "real" carbon, etc. I'm not going down that road, just trying to recall what I read back then. At any rate, the new carbon is supposedly a superior grade of material.

One concern I had with the future shock is that it seems to come with the stiffest of three spring options installed from the factory. Personally, I felt like I might want one more level of stiffness, maybe one more spring included with more resistance. I am not sure I like the spring that I rode being the max possible resistance.

You should seek out a future shock bike and give it a spin.

Anyway, yeah, I agree with you. If you were in the Anyroad market, I'd have to be able to buy one well back of $2k considering what you get for $2k-ish in a 2018. Seems to be a lot nicer bike in the 18, at least on paper.
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I don't think they even call the 2018 Anyroad comax any more. Something like advanced grade carbon. I seem to recall reading something a couple of years back to the effect that comax was a fairly low grade of carbon, or to some folks not "real" carbon, etc. I'm not going down that road, just trying to recall what I read back then. At any rate, the new carbon is supposedly a superior grade of material.

One concern I had with the future shock is that it seems to come with the stiffest of three spring options installed from the factory. Personally, I felt like I might want one more level of stiffness, maybe one more spring included with more resistance. I am not sure I like the spring that I rode being the max possible resistance.

You should seek out a future shock bike and give it a spin.

Anyway, yeah, I agree with you. If you were in the Anyroad market, I'd have to be able to buy one well back of $2k considering what you get for $2k-ish in a 2018. Seems to be a lot nicer bike in the 18, at least on paper.
Yeah, you're right. Looks like Giant dropped the Comax name and is using Advanced 1 for their 2018 carbon Anyroad. Advanced now also apparently means advanced composite frame vs the 2017 model.

Will definitely give the Diverge with future shock a spin. Sounds like it might actually be a nice feature.
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Will definitely give the Diverge with future shock a spin. Sounds like it might actually be a nice feature.
Trust your feelings. Take the bike you feel better when riding it. Would not think too much about components or frame material, unless you are a very ambitous rider.
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Trust your feelings. Take the bike you feel better when riding it. Would not think too much about components or frame material, unless you are a very ambitous rider.
Yep, good advice. Thanks.
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where do i source the "Diverge" sticker? has anyone had experience putting on the other stripes in the rear and top tube? what does the R on the fork represent? I have seen it on other models.

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Really leaning towards a carbon Comp now, but torn between the new 2018 or trying to find a previous 16/17 on a good deal. My LBS offered me 10% off a 2018 Comp, and I'm not finding much better deals on 16/17's that are still floating around....in Canada at least. I've found one '16 and one '17 in my size, both for $3499 (CDN prices - MSRP was $4299). The '18 would be $3599 after 10% discount. I know the previous years are spec'd slightly better and have a 10r vs 9r frame, but wondering how much that matters. I also REALLY liked the futureshock, and I think if I got a previous year, I'd likely install a Redshift Shockstop stem ($200). I also found a '17 Expert relatively close to me for $3499.

I feel like it makes sense to buy the '18 if the prices aren't too different. If I could find a previous year Comp at $3000-ish then buying a previous year might make more sense. I've found a couple remaining Comps in my size in the US for much cheaper, but then have to factor in shipping, duties, etc.

Ugh....decisions, decisions.....

Any additional thoughts or advice?
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Originally Posted by syncro87 View Post
I was surprised at how good the future shock felt, and my impression going into the test ride was that it was gimmicky.
agreed 100%. I'm a bigger dude (250lbs/115kg) and I expected the future shock to do one of 2 things:
1. Be obnoxiously springy, like a shock with no rebound dampening
2. Do nothing

It was definitely not one of those 2. It did a surprisingly good job of maintaining a smooth ride as I zipped down a old cobblestone road, yet when I stood up and hammered up the hill, I felt no bob or bounce.
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Originally Posted by sgtrobo View Post
agreed 100%. I'm a bigger dude (250lbs/115kg) and I expected the future shock to do one of 2 things:
1. Be obnoxiously springy, like a shock with no rebound dampening
2. Do nothing

It was definitely not one of those 2. It did a surprisingly good job of maintaining a smooth ride as I zipped down a old cobblestone road, yet when I stood up and hammered up the hill, I felt no bob or bounce.
I'm about the same size, and felt the exact same way. It smoothed out bumps and roughness immensely, but wasn't 'noticeable' when riding. Loved it.
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Really leaning towards a carbon Comp now, but torn between the new 2018 or trying to find a previous 16/17 on a good deal. My LBS offered me 10% off a 2018 Comp, and I'm not finding much better deals on 16/17's that are still floating around....in Canada at least. I've found one '16 and one '17 in my size, both for $3499 (CDN prices - MSRP was $4299). The '18 would be $3599 after 10% discount. I know the previous years are spec'd slightly better and have a 10r vs 9r frame, but wondering how much that matters. I also REALLY liked the futureshock, and I think if I got a previous year, I'd likely install a Redshift Shockstop stem ($200). I also found a '17 Expert relatively close to me for $3499.

I feel like it makes sense to buy the '18 if the prices aren't too different. If I could find a previous year Comp at $3000-ish then buying a previous year might make more sense. I've found a couple remaining Comps in my size in the US for much cheaper, but then have to factor in shipping, duties, etc.

Ugh....decisions, decisions.....

Any additional thoughts or advice?
one of the biggest reasons to go for the 2018 Diverge is that it can fit substantially larger tires. The 2017 and previous Diverges were pure road bikes with enough clearance to BARELY fit slightly larger tires. The new Diverge is a lot more versatile with the larger tire clearance
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I rode a 2015 Carbon Comp for a few months. It's an amazing bike, and super super stiff. But I wanted fork and rear mounts for various attachments and the carbon didn't have any. Awesome bike, tho.
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what does the R on the fork represent? I have seen it on other models.
Looks like the rim has "RAZO" so when the wheel is aligned properly it spells out "RAZOR"

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Originally Posted by Gmas View Post
Really leaning towards a carbon Comp now, but torn between the new 2018 or trying to find a previous 16/17 on a good deal. My LBS offered me 10% off a 2018 Comp, and I'm not finding much better deals on 16/17's that are still floating around....in Canada at least. I've found one '16 and one '17 in my size, both for $3499 (CDN prices - MSRP was $4299). The '18 would be $3599 after 10% discount. I know the previous years are spec'd slightly better and have a 10r vs 9r frame, but wondering how much that matters. I also REALLY liked the futureshock, and I think if I got a previous year, I'd likely install a Redshift Shockstop stem ($200). I also found a '17 Expert relatively close to me for $3499.

I feel like it makes sense to buy the '18 if the prices aren't too different. If I could find a previous year Comp at $3000-ish then buying a previous year might make more sense. I've found a couple remaining Comps in my size in the US for much cheaper, but then have to factor in shipping, duties, etc.

Ugh....decisions, decisions.....

Any additional thoughts or advice?
The 16/17 Carbon have SCS geometry for wheels which is Specialized proprietary. I have a 2016 Expert X1 and love it, but the lack of wheel options on the 16-17 and the availability future shock and larger tire accommodation on the 18 would be a no brainer decision for me at this point in time. But I have a 16 and instead will be getting an 18 Roubaix di2 whenever they start rolling out.
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