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Old 11-23-19, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by OldsCOOL View Post
How about a Roman Denarius from 300AD??

I can't read the inscription on that but judging by the style I'd put it closer to 150 AD. If you can get it in focus I think I can do better.

A couple years ago @noglider sent me photos of some Roman coins a friend of his found in a New Jersey parking lot.

Anyway, @nlerner is right. I have some Greek coins that go back to 400-500 BC, and some broken bits of pottery that are another thousand years older than that. I don't remember exactly what I have, nor why I picked them up. Whatever the compulsion was, that made me pick them up, 40 years ago, I'm over it now.

I also have a stone axe head that may be pretty old. I don't know where it came from, new world or old. Someone found it somewhere. Whoever it was, I kinda wish they'd left it there, because now it's just a knicknack with no provenance.

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Old 11-23-19, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BFisher View Post
Bikes or not, what's the oldest thing you own? Here's mine:



1883 Morgan Dollar
I have some pre 1900 Morgan dollars. I'll have to take a look.
When we lived in southern Belize, I had a nice collection of Maya artifacts that I picked out of the creek in back, mostly. I left them all there.

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Old 11-23-19, 02:29 PM
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Found this with in some change that’d been handed back to me one day. Minted during the second year of the Civil War, and in circulation for over 150 years.
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Old 11-23-19, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
I can't read the inscription on that but judging by the style I'd put it closer to 150 AD. If you can get it in focus I think I can do better.

A couple years ago @noglider sent me photos of some Roman coins a friend of his found in a New Jersey parking lot.

Anyway, @nlerner is right. I have some Greek coins that go back to 400-500 BC, and some broken bits of pottery that are another thousand years older than that. I don't remember exactly what I have, nor why I picked them up. Whatever the compulsion was, that made me pick them up, 40 years ago, I'm over it now.

I also have a stone axe head that may be pretty old. I don't know where it came from, new world or old. Someone found it somewhere. Whoever it was, I kinda wish they'd left it there, because now it's just a knicknack with no provenance.
It’s a Marcus Aurelius denarius that would help to frame a timeline. There are so many variations of these that it is dizzying to get an ID closer than that.
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Old 11-23-19, 02:53 PM
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And since I'm a nerd, let me show you my oldest calculator.

Very cool!
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Old 11-23-19, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post


Found this with in some change that’d been handed back to me one day. Minted during the second year of the Civil War, and in circulation for over 150 years.
Huh! That's pretty bizarre. There's no way a coin in such good condition has been in circulation 150 years, they wear out faster than that. It must have spent many years in a piggy bank or something.

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It’s a Marcus Aurelius denarius that would help to frame a timeline. There are so many variations of these that it is dizzying to get an ID closer than that.
Ah, yes, thanks!

Marcus Aurelius would have been my second guess (after Antoninus Pius). Problem being that both are normally shown with a beard. So I'll guess this is from the time before he became emperor (161), in which case 150 was maybe not a bad guess. Good enough for me!

These things have been studied to death. I'm sure some scholar somewhere has already assigned this coin to a specific mint and a narrow timeframe, pretty much like any Fuji, Trek, Schwinn, whatever.

If you want to know more about the guy, his "Meditations" is worth reading. Not a page turner by any means, but full of wisdom.
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
Huh! That's pretty bizarre. There's no way a coin in such good condition has been in circulation 150 years, they wear out faster than that. It must have spent many years in a piggy bank or something.



Ah, yes, thanks!

Marcus Aurelius would have been my second guess (after Antoninus Pius). Problem being that both are normally shown with a beard. So I'll guess this is from the time before he became emperor (161), in which case 150 was maybe not a bad guess. Good enough for me!

These things have been studied to death. I'm sure some scholar somewhere has already assigned this coin to a specific mint and a narrow timeframe, pretty much like any Fuji, Trek, Schwinn, whatever.

If you want to know more about the guy, his "Meditations" is worth reading. Not a page turner by any means, but full of wisdom.
Thank you for your observations on this. I’d settle for 150AD! Fascinating.
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I have some earth rocks. They're really old.
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My house here in Cambridge was built 1854.

3,600,000 - 23,000,000 years old Megalodon tooth


200,000,000 years old fossilized dinosaur footprint
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A few from my "collection"
Best, Ben



I can not match these with the age of "coal", but they are pretty old and in my mind Pretty cool. Left to right Rare Conklin Crescent filler, Parker, and a "56" Waterman. I have older but too lazy to get into the closet to pull them out.
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I have some REALLY old "crap", literally, it's a coprolite, also known as fossilized feces.
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I have an 1840 five-piece bedroom set that I used as a teen (after having it handed down from my grandmother). My son now uses it because I don't have a guest room to hide it in.
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Does the Bible Count?

I'm pretty sure it is copyrighted from a gazillion years ago.
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The house I live in was built in 1851.
The land I own is as old as the hills themselves.
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Picked up this Flexible Flyer sled for 22.00 thinking it was 1930-40s but was shocked to discover it was of the rare first series in the late 1800’s. Incredible find that may end up in our town’s museum.
I had no idea Flexible Flyers were around back then. I thought 1930-1940 was the when they came out. I have one that may be from the mid 20th century, although I've never researched it. It has been in the family since I was a kid, and it was old then.
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I had no idea Flexible Flyers were around back then. I thought 1930-1940 was the when they came out. I have one that may be from the mid 20th century, although I've never researched it. It has been in the family since I was a kid, and it was old then.
They were patented in 1889. Quite a history. It isnt too difficult to ID and track a reasonable guess on the years. When I posted mine on the facebook group they helped me quite a bit.
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Originally Posted by Murray Missile View Post
I have some REALLY old "crap", literally, it's a coprolite, also known as fossilized feces.
That’s funny right there.
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