My knees need to crack...
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My knees need to crack...
For as long as I can remember, I have needed to periodically extend my legs to "crack" my knees, and I think it's hindering my ability to ride. Has anyone ever had this condition? If so, what's the answer?
When I say "crack", I don't mean like crack your knuckles. It isn't audible, but it's a similar sensation. I'll ride for a few strides (literally one or two), and then I feel the need to fully extend my legs, as if there is some sort of air or liquid build up in my knees. When I do, there's a "click" I feel in my knee, and it relieves my urge to extend my legs--but only for one or two more strides. Then I need to repeat it.
Why is this a problem? Because I need to keep my saddle a little higher than where it should be. It means that almost ever "stride" I take, I fully extend my legs. I've seen all kinds of videos on why it isn't good to ride with a saddle that's too high. It puts undue stress on your knees, and you're not using the correct muscles. I did it for a few months last year when I first started riding regularly, and I didn't feel any issues. I knew my saddle was too high, but figured that since I didn't feel any pain, it was all right. Last March, however, (just before the shelter-in-place) I purchased a gravel bike (should have gotten a road bike) and started cycling much more often. Still, for several months, I didn't have any issues. I even started riding steep hills and lengthy distances (at least for me), going about 25 to 40 miles at a time, with elevation increases in the 2500's. It was great..
However, in July, something went wrong, and I started feeling significant pain in both knees. I hadn't changed anything in my rides or stretching. In fact, I had pulled back a little. It hurt to walk for several weeks. And now, it's been a couple months. I feel fine, but haven't ridden since. Has anyone ever had a similar experience or someone who has? Do I have water in my knees? Is there an operation I can get? I would assume that if I can solve the knee click issue, I'd be able to lower my saddle to the proper height and ride without any problems, at least that's my goal.
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When I say "crack", I don't mean like crack your knuckles. It isn't audible, but it's a similar sensation. I'll ride for a few strides (literally one or two), and then I feel the need to fully extend my legs, as if there is some sort of air or liquid build up in my knees. When I do, there's a "click" I feel in my knee, and it relieves my urge to extend my legs--but only for one or two more strides. Then I need to repeat it.
Why is this a problem? Because I need to keep my saddle a little higher than where it should be. It means that almost ever "stride" I take, I fully extend my legs. I've seen all kinds of videos on why it isn't good to ride with a saddle that's too high. It puts undue stress on your knees, and you're not using the correct muscles. I did it for a few months last year when I first started riding regularly, and I didn't feel any issues. I knew my saddle was too high, but figured that since I didn't feel any pain, it was all right. Last March, however, (just before the shelter-in-place) I purchased a gravel bike (should have gotten a road bike) and started cycling much more often. Still, for several months, I didn't have any issues. I even started riding steep hills and lengthy distances (at least for me), going about 25 to 40 miles at a time, with elevation increases in the 2500's. It was great..
However, in July, something went wrong, and I started feeling significant pain in both knees. I hadn't changed anything in my rides or stretching. In fact, I had pulled back a little. It hurt to walk for several weeks. And now, it's been a couple months. I feel fine, but haven't ridden since. Has anyone ever had a similar experience or someone who has? Do I have water in my knees? Is there an operation I can get? I would assume that if I can solve the knee click issue, I'd be able to lower my saddle to the proper height and ride without any problems, at least that's my goal.
Thanks in advance.
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Is pedaling very easy? Or are you using some muscle when you pedal?
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Pedaling should be easy. Shift to a lower gear. If you have gotten used to putting a lot of muscle into pedaling, then you might be blowing your knees to all to heck.
Once your knees get to feeling better, get your seat back down to where is should be. To guess at a place to start, sit on your saddle as best you can and put the heel of your shoe (with your foot in the shoe) on the pedal and put it in the furthest locataion from you. If you don't have a very slight bend at your kneee then lower or raise your saddle till you do.
Go for a ride. It will feel stupid, but stay in a gear that is low (easy) enough to pedal with no effort what so ever. If you ever feel like you are using any leg muscle, then shift to an easier gear. After you've ridden for a time, how do your knees feel?
If they don't bother you, then keep using the easy gears to pedal in till it doesn't feel stupid anymore. After that you can graduate to using a little muscle and harder gears briefly as you accelerate rapidly.
Whether your knees actually have some issue that need a medical professional to look at is on you. So consider if you need to go to one.
Once your knees get to feeling better, get your seat back down to where is should be. To guess at a place to start, sit on your saddle as best you can and put the heel of your shoe (with your foot in the shoe) on the pedal and put it in the furthest locataion from you. If you don't have a very slight bend at your kneee then lower or raise your saddle till you do.
Go for a ride. It will feel stupid, but stay in a gear that is low (easy) enough to pedal with no effort what so ever. If you ever feel like you are using any leg muscle, then shift to an easier gear. After you've ridden for a time, how do your knees feel?
If they don't bother you, then keep using the easy gears to pedal in till it doesn't feel stupid anymore. After that you can graduate to using a little muscle and harder gears briefly as you accelerate rapidly.
Whether your knees actually have some issue that need a medical professional to look at is on you. So consider if you need to go to one.
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Pedaling should be easy. Shift to a lower gear. If you have gotten used to putting a lot of muscle into pedaling, then you might be blowing your knees to all to heck.
Once your knees get to feeling better, get your seat back down to where is should be. To guess at a place to start, sit on your saddle as best you can and put the heel of your shoe (with your foot in the shoe) on the pedal and put it in the furthest locataion from you. If you don't have a very slight bend at your kneee then lower or raise your saddle till you do.
Go for a ride. It will feel stupid, but stay in a gear that is low (easy) enough to pedal with no effort what so ever. If you ever feel like you are using any leg muscle, then shift to an easier gear. After you've ridden for a time, how do your knees feel?
If they don't bother you, then keep using the easy gears to pedal in till it doesn't feel stupid anymore. After that you can graduate to using a little muscle and harder gears briefly as you accelerate rapidly.
Whether your knees actually have some issue that need a medical professional to look at is on you. So consider if you need to go to one.
Once your knees get to feeling better, get your seat back down to where is should be. To guess at a place to start, sit on your saddle as best you can and put the heel of your shoe (with your foot in the shoe) on the pedal and put it in the furthest locataion from you. If you don't have a very slight bend at your kneee then lower or raise your saddle till you do.
Go for a ride. It will feel stupid, but stay in a gear that is low (easy) enough to pedal with no effort what so ever. If you ever feel like you are using any leg muscle, then shift to an easier gear. After you've ridden for a time, how do your knees feel?
If they don't bother you, then keep using the easy gears to pedal in till it doesn't feel stupid anymore. After that you can graduate to using a little muscle and harder gears briefly as you accelerate rapidly.
Whether your knees actually have some issue that need a medical professional to look at is on you. So consider if you need to go to one.
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Have you ever talked to a doctor or medical professional about it? Are there other odd things you have to do that others don't for other activities?
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Not yet. I was hoping that this wasn't such a strange thing and that someone else on here might have experienced it too. Otherwise, a health care provider / cycling specialist would probably be ideal.
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I don't know if you do or don't. It just seems you are saying stuff works for you that goes opposite of what I'd expect. The "cracking" your knees to me implies you are nearing or in the point of hyper extension of that joint. Which is something you would lower the seat to avoid. But you seem to go in the opposite direction and need to experience it to keep from having pain if I read you correctly.
Even climbing hills your gearing on the bike should let you pedal somewhat easily up all but the hardest of your normal routes. So even if you are not using muscle to pedal while straight and level, then using an obscene amount of muscle to get you up any and every hill will still leave you, me and many others with knee issues. If your bike isn't appropriately geared for your fitness level and the terrain you ride, then something needs to change.
Even climbing hills your gearing on the bike should let you pedal somewhat easily up all but the hardest of your normal routes. So even if you are not using muscle to pedal while straight and level, then using an obscene amount of muscle to get you up any and every hill will still leave you, me and many others with knee issues. If your bike isn't appropriately geared for your fitness level and the terrain you ride, then something needs to change.
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Google "heel on pedal saddle height.". Read a few of the results, then apply.
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For as long as I can remember, I have needed to periodically extend my legs to "crack" my knees, and I think it's hindering my ability to ride. Has anyone ever had this condition? When I say "crack", I don't mean like crack your knuckles. It isn't audible, but it's a similar sensation.
I notice it while driving a motor vehicle, too. The comfortable seating position is at a spot where the legs are bent at an angle somewhat greater than when cycling at nearly full extension on the stroke. Often, during long drives, I straighten-out a leg, then the other, then it feels fine for the next half hour to hour.
Never was serious enough to even mention it to the doctor. So, have never done anything about it.
I always figured it was some misalignment or minor growth in the cartilage area of the knees, or some interference with the ligaments or tendons in that area occasionally "snapping" over some protrusion. Though, obviously that's a guess. I've experienced it on rare occasions cycling for long periods, running longer than an hour, sitting driving in a car for an hour+, etc.
Don't recall ever hearing from another person of a similar thing. Although, people to stretch out during all sorts of activities, so it's a likely bet that many have minor instances of this from time to time.
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I have this problem, mostly with my right knee. I am pretty sure for me it is a patella tracking issue caused by muscle imbalance.
I use kt tape when it gets bad. Look up "kt tape for it band" on utube.
When I have similar problems with my left knee, I generally have to use less pressure or the tape pulls the tracking out
I use kt tape when it gets bad. Look up "kt tape for it band" on utube.
When I have similar problems with my left knee, I generally have to use less pressure or the tape pulls the tracking out
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I'm not sure what is going with you now but studies have shown that excessively high saddle is worse than too low saddle. You may have put too much strain on your knees in climbs with the high saddle.
I also need to stretch my legs straight from time to time in the bike as I do lots of climbs everyday. But I do it with the correct saddle height. How I do it is bend my ankle down while pedaling OR pedal out of the saddle at high gear. You don't have to do that for long periods. Several seconds is enough.
I also take 1 tablet of Calcium with Vitamin D everyday. Strong bones is crucial in cycling.
I also need to stretch my legs straight from time to time in the bike as I do lots of climbs everyday. But I do it with the correct saddle height. How I do it is bend my ankle down while pedaling OR pedal out of the saddle at high gear. You don't have to do that for long periods. Several seconds is enough.
I also take 1 tablet of Calcium with Vitamin D everyday. Strong bones is crucial in cycling.
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OK. This sounds promising. My saddle height is where it should be (and has been this whole time) according to the bike shop and a friend who rides semi-pro. But I do *almost* exactly what you do. I bend my ankle down while pedaling--but more frequently than what you describe. I just figured that since I was able to do that, it wasn't really at the right height. This begs the question then: what did I do to screw up my knees? I suspect I put too much strain on them when climbing hills. While hills are my absolute favorite aspect of cycling, I'm going to start riding again, but stay away from hills for a while, and see what happens. I rode for almost 8 months with zero pain. It didn't happen until a couple months after climbing hills.
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You might have pre-existing issues if you need to extend your legs more frequently.
Although over-extension might feel okay or easy with the muscles, they're pretty harsh on the joints. Pro cyclists seem to avoid it as much as possible and compensating with the ankles (pointing them more than bending).
I also experience if I over-do it in the trainer in the form of pain behind the knees. It gets worse with higher effort such as when climbing. For me the pain goes away quickly and I'm okay the next day. I'm also making adjustments to my training to avoid over-extension as I only encounter it when pedaling out of the saddle.
Although over-extension might feel okay or easy with the muscles, they're pretty harsh on the joints. Pro cyclists seem to avoid it as much as possible and compensating with the ankles (pointing them more than bending).
I also experience if I over-do it in the trainer in the form of pain behind the knees. It gets worse with higher effort such as when climbing. For me the pain goes away quickly and I'm okay the next day. I'm also making adjustments to my training to avoid over-extension as I only encounter it when pedaling out of the saddle.
Notice how he pulls his relaxed foot over the top with his knee, how is butt hardly goes up and down at all, how his knee bend at the bottom of the stroke is exactly what it would be were he in the saddle, and that he always rides OOS in the drops. I can't ride OOS at anything like his cadence, but I try to model my motions after his. When I do it right, it feels great. I think it is easier to ride OOS from the drops,
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