SUV owners keep on truckin' despite gas prices
07-01-08, 06:40 PM
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Because mental illness fascinates me. I bet if you were all multi millionaires you wouldn't be car free, you would at least have a limo. I was car free for years and it is a hard life I wouldn't wish on any one, going to the store or any erred is a ***** as all of you're free time is spent going to the store or some other erred, and riding is really fun when it's 115* outside, no thanks, why you would choose a hard life is really amusing as I know some here have high paying jobs and could easily afford a car. I could understand if you were dirt poor, as I once was and rode 50 miles a day and it sucked as it took so long to get anything done and getting a date, forget it! People in society who can drive but don't have a car are considered losers and for many years I got a hard lesson in that, and try doing an office job after you get to work you smell like bo after you're ride to work, it just sucks. When you have idiots wishing for $20 gas, this is a true moron and is just too amusing to pass up, oh and the dumpster diving threads, now there is great fun.
You've obviously read quite a few posts here, yet it seems like you've ignored all the people telling how much better their lives are since they stopped driving. Heck, I had high blood pressure and cholesterol before I started riding to work, but no more. I was also struggling financially, now I can pretty much buy anything I want (within reason of course) all on a blue-collar salary. All thanks to my "mental illness".
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Because mental illness fascinates me. I bet if you were all multi millionaires you wouldn't be car free, you would at least have a limo. I was car free for years and it is a hard life I wouldn't wish on any one, going to the store or any erred is a ***** as all of you're free time is spent going to the store or some other erred, and riding is really fun when it's 115* outside, no thanks, why you would choose a hard life is really amusing as I know some here have high paying jobs and could easily afford a car. I could understand if you were dirt poor, as I once was and rode 50 miles a day and it sucked as it took so long to get anything done and getting a date, forget it! People in society who can drive but don't have a car are considered losers and for many years I got a hard lesson in that, and try doing an office job after you get to work you smell like bo after you're ride to work, it just sucks. When you have idiots wishing for $20 gas, this is a true moron and is just too amusing to pass up, oh and the dumpster diving threads, now there is great fun.
Denmark has one of the highest standards of living in the world and they have a population of 5.4 million and right around 2 million cars...that indicates a fairly high percentage of car free people
The US is over 765 per 1,000 about double the Danish rate...
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07-01-08, 06:57 PM
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There are 450 millions cars in the world, and 6 billion people. The majority are living without a car, so i guess it's doable.
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why you would choose a hard life is really amusing as I know some here have high paying jobs and could easily afford a car. I could understand if you were dirt poor, as I once was and rode 50 miles a day and it sucked as it took so long to get anything done and getting a date, forget it! People in society who can drive but don't have a car are considered losers and for many years I got a hard lesson in that, and try doing an office job after you get to work you smell like bo after you're ride to work, it just sucks.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but the primary reason I've gone car-light isn't because I can't afford anything better or because environmental or political leaders have told me to stop driving. I simply feel happier and more alive when I'm cycling or walking than when I'm driving.
Any other benefits I may enjoy as a result of cycling are secondary. I ride because I love to ride. I've tried to make it as much a part of my life as possible. And in doing so, I find myself driving less often.
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You associate car-free or car-light living with poverty; I see it as a rich way of life.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but the primary reason I've gone car-light isn't because I can't afford anything better or because environmental or political leaders have told me to stop driving. I simply feel happier and more alive when I'm cycling or walking than when I'm driving.
Any other benefits I may enjoy as a result of cycling are secondary. I ride because I love to ride. I've tried to make it as much a part of my life as possible. And in doing so, I find myself driving less often.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but the primary reason I've gone car-light isn't because I can't afford anything better or because environmental or political leaders have told me to stop driving. I simply feel happier and more alive when I'm cycling or walking than when I'm driving.
Any other benefits I may enjoy as a result of cycling are secondary. I ride because I love to ride. I've tried to make it as much a part of my life as possible. And in doing so, I find myself driving less often.
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07-01-08, 07:54 PM
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Because mental illness fascinates me. I bet if you were all multi millionaires you wouldn't be car free, you would at least have a limo. I was car free for years and it is a hard life I wouldn't wish on any one, going to the store or any erred is a ***** as all of you're free time is spent going to the store or some other erred, and riding is really fun when it's 115* outside, no thanks, why you would choose a hard life is really amusing as I know some here have high paying jobs and could easily afford a car.
75% of Manhattan's 1.6 million residents do not have a car. Many of those 1.2 million car free people are quite wealthy. That said there are people in the city who keep drivers on staff and use them to ferry their children around the city in obscenely large SUVs.
I have to admit though that if I left the city or got a weekend home, I would be down to the BMW dealer in an instant.
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It's actually quite the norm in many locales to not own a car or to own one and use it infrequently, especially when one can walk, bike, or ride transit basically anywhere he or she needs to go. I don't think my chosen lifestyle can compare to mental illness.
If money were no object to me I probably would own a vehicle, but I promise you it would see at most the same amount of use our car does today. Parking in this area sucks, and it's much easier to get around on foot and/or using transit.
It may have been a hard life for you, wherever you were living. Not everyone lives where you live (or lived when you were car free). I know of more than a few places in the United States that would be quite difficult to get around without a car. But there are many others where owning a car is more trouble than it's worth.
It's also worth mentioning that getting around on foot or on a bike makes for great utilitarian exercise. I'm in great shape and don't require a gym membership.
Doesn't reach temperatures nearly that high where I live. But when it's uncomfortably hot or cold I might walk or take the bus.
From your responses in this thread, I can't help but wonder if it wasn't necessarily living car free that kept you from getting dates.
It's not our problem that you're so negatively affected by what others think of you. Riding a bike where I live now, where I lived for the last three years, and where I went to college (three different locations in two different states) was never something for "losers" - it was and is quite common.
Most cycle commuters I know pack a change of clothes and some deodorant. Some offices even have showers. Plus starting the day after a bike ride, with all the endorphins that can produce, is way better than I've ever felt after sitting in rush hour traffic.
No - great fun is picking apart the over-arching generalizations of an SUV driver in the "Living Car Free" subforum.
It's also worth mentioning that getting around on foot or on a bike makes for great utilitarian exercise. I'm in great shape and don't require a gym membership.
Doesn't reach temperatures nearly that high where I live. But when it's uncomfortably hot or cold I might walk or take the bus.
why you would choose a hard life is really amusing as I know some here have high paying jobs and could easily afford a car. I could understand if you were dirt poor, as I once was and rode 50 miles a day and it sucked as it took so long to get anything done and getting a date, forget it!
No - great fun is picking apart the over-arching generalizations of an SUV driver in the "Living Car Free" subforum.
07-02-08, 10:34 AM
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
My preferred bicycle brand is.......WORKSMAN CYCLES
I dislike clipless pedals on any city bike since I feel they are unsafe.
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Steel: nearly a thousand years of metallurgical development
Aluminum: barely a hundred, which one would you rather have under your butt at 30mph?
07-02-08, 10:43 AM
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07-02-08, 10:46 AM
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Why do you even post in this forum? Obviously you think it's idiotic to be car free, so why waste your time getting all worked up over something that you have no intention of being involved in? Are you just shooting for high blood pressure or what? That would be like me posting on a Hummer message board about how stupid people who drive Hummers are. It would be pointless.
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Because mental illness fascinates me. I bet if you were all multi millionaires you wouldn't be car free, you would at least have a limo. I was car free for years and it is a hard life I wouldn't wish on any one, going to the store or any erred is a ***** as all of you're free time is spent going to the store or some other erred, and riding is really fun when it's 115* outside, no thanks, why you would choose a hard life is really amusing as I know some here have high paying jobs and could easily afford a car. I could understand if you were dirt poor, as I once was and rode 50 miles a day and it sucked as it took so long to get anything done and getting a date, forget it! People in society who can drive but don't have a car are considered losers and for many years I got a hard lesson in that, and try doing an office job after you get to work you smell like bo after you're ride to work, it just sucks. When you have idiots wishing for $20 gas, this is a true moron and is just too amusing to pass up, oh and the dumpster diving threads, now there is great fun.
When winter comes some people go skiing while some people freeze to death. When the post-peak oil winter hits I somehow can't see you skiing, unlike many on this forum. In the meantime do enjoy your SUV, if you're prepared to pay for it I say go ahead and enjoy it while you can. I don't know if anyone is 'wishing' for $20 gas but what I am certain of is that it will happen, and soon.
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The psychiatrists, psychiatric nurse practitioners, clinical psychologists, and social workers I work with seem to think I'm a mentally stable person. To be honest, crazy people don't last long in behavioral healthcare administration. At least they don't where I work.
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07-02-08, 08:59 PM
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Yea, but it was fun to read the stuff you guys were posting..
Therefore it wasn't a complete waste of time...
"To "rent" a BMW for a jaunt to the weekend house....right? "
That's what 'leasing' is, except you're committed to years instead of a weekend..
Cheers!
Therefore it wasn't a complete waste of time...
"To "rent" a BMW for a jaunt to the weekend house....right? "
That's what 'leasing' is, except you're committed to years instead of a weekend..
Cheers!
07-03-08, 07:34 AM
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I have frequently rented BMW for weekend trips out of the city. Zipcar will rent you a BMW 528i for $226 a day. A 328i costs about $180 for the day.
07-03-08, 08:58 AM
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Granted that those prices are cheap compared to some extravagant expenditures, but still too steep for what I willing to pay for a one or two day ride in a rented car.
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I can understand that. OTOH leasing, insuring and garaging a 528 in Manhattan will cost about $1200 to $1400 a month.
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So you are saying without a motor aided vehicle, people cannot be married, have kids, and be responsible?
And FYI I have a house we had built in Sept 2007, girlfriend of five years, and a kid on the way in October.
Thank you for being an ass on the car-free forum. Would you like a receipt?
And FYI I have a house we had built in Sept 2007, girlfriend of five years, and a kid on the way in October.
Thank you for being an ass on the car-free forum. Would you like a receipt?
With a 60 mile daily commute, I'm going to assume that's 4 hours a day on the bike (including prep times.)
If you're working a regular 8 hour day (with a 1 hour lunch), then you're gone for 13 hours a day for 5 days a week.
When does this leave time for spending with the kid? My fiancee and I juggle our schedules around enough to take care of our dog. I can only imagine how much more difficult it would be with a child.
07-03-08, 11:57 AM
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Not trying to be an ass, this is a serious question:
With a 60 mile daily commute, I'm going to assume that's 4 hours a day on the bike (including prep times.)
If you're working a regular 8 hour day (with a 1 hour lunch), then you're gone for 13 hours a day for 5 days a week.
When does this leave time for spending with the kid? My fiancee and I juggle our schedules around enough to take care of our dog. I can only imagine how much more difficult it would be with a child.
With a 60 mile daily commute, I'm going to assume that's 4 hours a day on the bike (including prep times.)
If you're working a regular 8 hour day (with a 1 hour lunch), then you're gone for 13 hours a day for 5 days a week.
When does this leave time for spending with the kid? My fiancee and I juggle our schedules around enough to take care of our dog. I can only imagine how much more difficult it would be with a child.
Get up at 5:30am, on the bike by 6am, be at work at 8am, eat lunch at desk and don't take a lunch hour, hop on bike at 4pm and be home by 6pm. Leaves 2.5 hours to play with the kids. Bedtime by 10pm.
It's not that hard.
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I've only (compared to 60) got a 30 mile r/t commute, and there's barely enough hours in the day to get errands and chores accomplished and have any time left afterwards to relax for a bit. Everybody's situation is different, though. For me, an extra 2 hours a day on the bike would be a serious strain on things at home.
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But does it have to be a car though? For some years I had a lightweight motorcycle and sidecar outfit, - and two small children as well. Waaaaay better than any car for getting about and my kids loved it 
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I wasn't referring to car ownership when making my budget analogy, just car rentals in general. The wife and I can rent a more modest car for a week or more as compared to weekend with a BMW.
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Because mental illness fascinates me. I bet if you were all multi millionaires you wouldn't be car free, you would at least have a limo. I was car free for years and it is a hard life I wouldn't wish on any one, going to the store or any erred is a ***** as all of you're free time is spent going to the store or some other erred, and riding is really fun when it's 115* outside, no thanks, why you would choose a hard life is really amusing as I know some here have high paying jobs and could easily afford a car. I could understand if you were dirt poor, as I once was and rode 50 miles a day and it sucked as it took so long to get anything done and getting a date, forget it! People in society who can drive but don't have a car are considered losers and for many years I got a hard lesson in that, and try doing an office job after you get to work you smell like bo after you're ride to work, it just sucks. When you have idiots wishing for $20 gas, this is a true moron and is just too amusing to pass up, oh and the dumpster diving threads, now there is great fun.
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If I am renting a car for a week it won't be a BMW either (and I won't be renting it in Manhattan). However, most of the time I need a car, it is for a day only. Renting any car in Manhattan is going to cost over $100 a day when you include the gas (which is included in the zip car numbers).