Enve makes (more) gravel wheels now
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Enve makes (more) gravel wheels now
The G23 is the definition of a true gravel wheelset. At 330 grams, ENVE’s lightest 700c tubeless rim accelerates quickly and ascends with ease. Armed against pinch flats with the patent pending Wide Hookless Bead, the G23 is tough and relentless on road, path or trail. The G23 is a 700c tubeless carbon clincher wheelset, with a generous 23mm internal width, specifically conceived to meet the performance and ride quality demands of serious mixed surface cyclists.
https://enve.com/lp/g-series/
https://enve.com/lp/g-series/
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"Armed against pinch flats with the patent pending Wide Hookless Bead"
Huh? what good is hookless bead protecting you from pinch-flats when you are riding tubeless? I'm just not into hookless bead rims, and consider 330 grams too light for the dirt, along with 24 spokes..... but that's just me.
Edit: Wait a minute. I just looked at the price! $2800. WTF
Doesn't even show what class (1,2,3,4) the rims are.
Huh? what good is hookless bead protecting you from pinch-flats when you are riding tubeless? I'm just not into hookless bead rims, and consider 330 grams too light for the dirt, along with 24 spokes..... but that's just me.
Edit: Wait a minute. I just looked at the price! $2800. WTF
Doesn't even show what class (1,2,3,4) the rims are.
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Armed? Relentless?
Sounds like The Terminator. "My wheels and I will be baak."
Sounds like The Terminator. "My wheels and I will be baak."
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Enve has made a set of gravel/road wheels for almost two years now. They justify their price on aerodynamics. I'm wondering who these are for? 1,300 grams is impressive for a wheel, but we're talking about 20+ pound bikes and heavy tires, so that doesn't seem like such a big deal for gravel.
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gravelking tubeless 700x38 slicks are coming in around 330-340 grams. (next choice Barlow Pass extralight 380 gram) drop them on 1,300 gram gravel wheel sets on a Niner RDO. you'r no longer 20+ but around 17
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"Armed against pinch flats with the patent pending Wide Hookless Bead"
Huh? what good is hookless bead protecting you from pinch-flats when you are riding tubeless? I'm just not into hookless bead rims, and consider 330 grams too light for the dirt, along with 24 spokes..... but that's just me.
Edit: Wait a minute. I just looked at the price! $2800. WTF
Doesn't even show what class (1,2,3,4) the rims are.
Huh? what good is hookless bead protecting you from pinch-flats when you are riding tubeless? I'm just not into hookless bead rims, and consider 330 grams too light for the dirt, along with 24 spokes..... but that's just me.
Edit: Wait a minute. I just looked at the price! $2800. WTF
Doesn't even show what class (1,2,3,4) the rims are.
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Enve has made a set of gravel/road wheels for almost two years now. They justify their price on aerodynamics. I'm wondering who these are for? 1,300 grams is impressive for a wheel, but we're talking about 20+ pound bikes and heavy tires, so that doesn't seem like such a big deal for gravel.
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My Niner RDO is right at 20 lb with 1430 gram American Classic wheels, Gravelking 40 mm tubeless, Ultegra Di2, XT pedals, RDO stem/post, Fabric saddle and Easton carbon bar. .
I've heard 17 lb mentioned before and there is a guy on Pedalroom with an RDO with 1x and fenders who claims 17 lb. I don't believe it.
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I don't know about 17 lb.
My Niner RDO is right at 20 lb with 1430 gram American Classic wheels, Gravelking 40 mm tubeless, Ultegra Di2, XT pedals, RDO stem/post, Fabric saddle and Easton carbon bar. .
I've heard 17 lb mentioned before and there is a guy on Pedalroom with an RDO with 1x and fenders who claims 17 lb. I don't believe it.
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My Niner RDO is right at 20 lb with 1430 gram American Classic wheels, Gravelking 40 mm tubeless, Ultegra Di2, XT pedals, RDO stem/post, Fabric saddle and Easton carbon bar. .
I've heard 17 lb mentioned before and there is a guy on Pedalroom with an RDO with 1x and fenders who claims 17 lb. I don't believe it.
-Tim-
you do have me wondering....
I do know JOM claims 17.4 on a 2x Roker build. youtube "The Ultimate Carbon Gravel Bike? 17.4lbs of sweetness!"
Is there that big of a difference between roker/rdo frames?
regardless..... I wouldn't diss on the Enve wheels just because I am going to ride gnarly, or singletrack, or built a 4130 frame bike. Wheels are just another tool, pick the right one for the job at hand.
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JOM is using ultra light Ashima rotors, Xpedo Ti pedals, all titanium bolts including rotor and caliper mounting bolts, super lightweight KCNC seatpost clamp, etc.
He even says the Ashima rotors probably should not be used on rides with long mountain descents.
Xpedo M-Force 8 pedals are 220 grams while Shimano M8000 XT pedals are 337 grams, both confirmed on my scale. Switching to the Xpedo pedals would save over 1/4 pound right there. This is just an example.
I'm not sure if the Roker frame is that much lighter but it probably is. The RDO frame is a Niner, built to mountain bike specs and it is overbuilt for road riding. It isn't particularly light compared to some of the other gravel frames out there with a road pedigree.
Regarding the wheels, I agree with you 100% and would love to drop 150 grams off my bike by switching to lighter wheelss and would not hesitate to run the ENVE's or something similar. $2800 to do so isn't a wise choice for me right now. Maybe next year.
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He even says the Ashima rotors probably should not be used on rides with long mountain descents.
Xpedo M-Force 8 pedals are 220 grams while Shimano M8000 XT pedals are 337 grams, both confirmed on my scale. Switching to the Xpedo pedals would save over 1/4 pound right there. This is just an example.
I'm not sure if the Roker frame is that much lighter but it probably is. The RDO frame is a Niner, built to mountain bike specs and it is overbuilt for road riding. It isn't particularly light compared to some of the other gravel frames out there with a road pedigree.
Regarding the wheels, I agree with you 100% and would love to drop 150 grams off my bike by switching to lighter wheelss and would not hesitate to run the ENVE's or something similar. $2800 to do so isn't a wise choice for me right now. Maybe next year.
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You have the option of making payments on the wheelset......
Edit: OK, so it says G series is Cat 3. But I don't believe. I am riding a Cat 3 DTSwiss rim and it's alloy with 32 holes at 460 grams.
never the less....... good to know one can finance a $2800 plastic wheelset to ride in the dirt.
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I don't know about 17 lb.
My Niner RDO is right at 20 lb with 1430 gram American Classic wheels, Gravelking 40 mm tubeless, Ultegra Di2, XT pedals, RDO stem/post, Fabric saddle and Easton carbon bar. .
I've heard 17 lb mentioned before and there is a guy on Pedalroom with an RDO with 1x and fenders who claims 17 lb. I don't believe it.
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My Niner RDO is right at 20 lb with 1430 gram American Classic wheels, Gravelking 40 mm tubeless, Ultegra Di2, XT pedals, RDO stem/post, Fabric saddle and Easton carbon bar. .
I've heard 17 lb mentioned before and there is a guy on Pedalroom with an RDO with 1x and fenders who claims 17 lb. I don't believe it.
-Tim-
My C3 is 18 pounds, measured mid-ride at a shop that serves good coffee. That's with a power meter, Ultegra Di2 hydraulic, and nominal 28 mm tires, with wide Enve rims that stretch them out to 33 mm.
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There will be buyers for those but I'd prefer to purchase components using rims from one of the better Chinese sellers.
For that price I could have two 28/32spoke 1200-1300gm wheelsets using Carbon-ti (or similar) hubs and CX-Ray spokes.
For that price I could have two 28/32spoke 1200-1300gm wheelsets using Carbon-ti (or similar) hubs and CX-Ray spokes.
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The Cervelo road(ish) frame is going to be lighter than a Niner RDO frame which is built to mountain bike specs. There is just more carbon on the Niner. Light weight is not a selling point for the Niner frameset.
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That's what I thought, that weight isn't really so much of a consideration for most gravel riders. Because everything is heavier than on a road bike. And because a lot of people ride gravel in flat places where weight isn't so important, the DK for example.
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Weight is always important. Nobody wants a heavy bike.
The American Classic 29" Race wheels on my bike are 1460 grams, 32 spoke 3 cross lacing, 24mm inside width and are well known as being able to withstand almost anything a gravel rider would throw at it. They cost $749 new. I mention this as a comparison. There are other, similar wheels.
A $2800 set of wheels such as the ENVE's is going to have to be 1200 grams before I consider them, or it will have to have some other compelling benefit. I just don't see the value for my bike.
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The American Classic 29" Race wheels on my bike are 1460 grams, 32 spoke 3 cross lacing, 24mm inside width and are well known as being able to withstand almost anything a gravel rider would throw at it. They cost $749 new. I mention this as a comparison. There are other, similar wheels.
A $2800 set of wheels such as the ENVE's is going to have to be 1200 grams before I consider them, or it will have to have some other compelling benefit. I just don't see the value for my bike.
-Tim-
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