Giving up Ti and going back to carbon
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I am using carbon wheels and carbon brake tracks. Even if it had aluminum brake tracks it would still be poor in comparison to hydraulic disc brakes in wet conditions.
I'm going by what my LBS tells me. He told me they have a customer that weighs 330 pounds riding the same madone and it's been holding up fine. He said if anything happens they will warranty that frame no questions asked.
Lol I wasn't mad I was more concerned for their mental health as they exhibited questionable behavior. They really love their Chinese carbon rides over there over a classic 6-4 titanium made in America bike? All they do is troll there and it's the Hot R Not thread no one takes those guys seriously because they lack knowledge and taste. The fact they wouldn't believe my bike is 16 pounds is very odd as well even after my bike was weighed on a professional scale at an LBS...and then they want me to buy a luggage scale to prove? They are irrational and lack logic.... Wouldn't be surprised if they don't believe I lost 6 pounds yesterday either. Well gained a pound yesterday so five really(shouldn't have eaten those pop tarts last night). Now they are saying at 290 I can't ride a Madone, but my LBS said I will be fine on the madone as long as I continue to lose weight they will warranty the frame no questions asked.
I'm going by what my LBS tells me. He told me they have a customer that weighs 330 pounds riding the same madone and it's been holding up fine. He said if anything happens they will warranty that frame no questions asked.
Lol I wasn't mad I was more concerned for their mental health as they exhibited questionable behavior. They really love their Chinese carbon rides over there over a classic 6-4 titanium made in America bike? All they do is troll there and it's the Hot R Not thread no one takes those guys seriously because they lack knowledge and taste. The fact they wouldn't believe my bike is 16 pounds is very odd as well even after my bike was weighed on a professional scale at an LBS...and then they want me to buy a luggage scale to prove? They are irrational and lack logic.... Wouldn't be surprised if they don't believe I lost 6 pounds yesterday either. Well gained a pound yesterday so five really(shouldn't have eaten those pop tarts last night). Now they are saying at 290 I can't ride a Madone, but my LBS said I will be fine on the madone as long as I continue to lose weight they will warranty the frame no questions asked.
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Can this whole thread be any more contrived! Start with, made in USA Titanium over Asian Carbon throw in Disc vs Rim brakes now add substantially over GVWR for the prospective bike. Plus quote a price not normally available for the new bike.
Thank you as it has been an entertaining read.
Thank you as it has been an entertaining read.
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Can this whole thread be any more contrived! Start with, made in USA Titanium over Asian Carbon throw in Disc vs Rim brakes now add substantially over GVWR for the prospective bike. Plus quote a price not normally available for the new bike.
Thank you as it has been an entertaining read.
Thank you as it has been an entertaining read.
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You tell us “I am using carbon rims and carbon brake tracks...”
Then you share that you weigh just under #300 , and you are disappointed about your rim brake performance in the fog where you live.
But you are quite proud of the fact that you’ve got your bike weight at about #16 .
You checked with a reputable titanium frame shop (Ti Cycles perhaps?) who quoted you a realistic price to modify a Litespeed Vortex to accept disc calipers including re-setting the rear triangle?
Come on! If your titanium frame is appropriately overbuilt to not flex in the bottom bracket under your body weight then you’ve got a keeper. Lack of flex is a necessity for you - good!
Next up, the braking. It is bad by your report. Did you have conventional aluminum clincher rims on there before with proper machined sidewalls? What was your thought process when you went with the carbon rims? There are plenty of aluminum wheelsets that are as light or lighter than carbon, if weight reduction was your objective.
When asked for specifics about your wheels, brakes, etc... you trickle out little bits of data at a time in a way that has the participants in this thread thoroughly mystified. Dang!
Then you share that you weigh just under #300 , and you are disappointed about your rim brake performance in the fog where you live.
But you are quite proud of the fact that you’ve got your bike weight at about #16 .
You checked with a reputable titanium frame shop (Ti Cycles perhaps?) who quoted you a realistic price to modify a Litespeed Vortex to accept disc calipers including re-setting the rear triangle?
Come on! If your titanium frame is appropriately overbuilt to not flex in the bottom bracket under your body weight then you’ve got a keeper. Lack of flex is a necessity for you - good!
Next up, the braking. It is bad by your report. Did you have conventional aluminum clincher rims on there before with proper machined sidewalls? What was your thought process when you went with the carbon rims? There are plenty of aluminum wheelsets that are as light or lighter than carbon, if weight reduction was your objective.
When asked for specifics about your wheels, brakes, etc... you trickle out little bits of data at a time in a way that has the participants in this thread thoroughly mystified. Dang!
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I think that the disk brake v rim brake debate has been beat to death. If the OP wants to use carbon wheels with carbon brake tracks, then disks would be better. I like the thru axles on my disk brake gravel bike. On my road bikes, the Campy rim calipers are every bit as powerful feeling (no lab or scientific measurement but just how they feel to me) as my disk brakes. I like their simplicity. Pads last years. Easy to adjust, etc. But again, for carbon wheels, disk brakes are a better way to go, IMHO.
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The latest GCN show I started to watch this morning had "here's what really happened to the F12" as a segment in their show, but I did not have an opportunity to finish it yet....so I don't know yet.
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I'm concerned your LBS may have decided you are an easy mark. It's hard to imagine a reputable shop steering you toward a Madone. It's an aero race bike and you will never be aero or a racer. At your weight you need to be on 32s at least. I wonder if the Madone will even fit 28s. The idea that they would contradict the mfg as to the weight limit is strange as well. For the amazing price of $1900, I wonder if they are trying to sell you a defective or damaged demo or an otherwise unsaleable bike. They may have you pegged as a customer with more enthusiasm than knowledge. I believe you should do some more research as to an appropriate bike.
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GCN says the same thing, because that’s the only thing that really makes sense. Having said that, I’m not entirely convinced that the vehicle in the video ran over the bike. It remains rock steady throughout the video and there was not so much as a bump, plus the handle bars on the bike are still dead straight in the broken pics.
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Alright guys thanks for helping me decide. Picked up the madone earlier today and it is so gorgeous. Those glistening disc brakes in that NorCal fog gives me so much confidence on my 13mph hammer fests lol. Jokes aside the madone is a good bike and rides well. Already sold the vortex kinda sad about it. When the guy came to pick the vortex up we were looking at the madone and vortex side by side and we both agreed, the vortex was a work of art and looked far better than the Madone. It’s just no comparison. Any how we can close thread after establishing Ti is better and looks better, but sometimes you have to settle on a Trek Madone for disc brakes....sigh.
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Guess you'll have to change your user name now...
You ate how many pop tarts?
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So much troll in one thread
Good job.
Alright guys thanks for helping me decide. Picked up the madone earlier today and it is so gorgeous. Those glistening disc brakes in that NorCal fog gives me so much confidence on my 13mph hammer fests lol. Jokes aside the madone is a good bike and rides well. Already sold the vortex kinda sad about it. When the guy came to pick the vortex up we were looking at the madone and vortex side by side and we both agreed, the vortex was a work of art and looked far better than the Madone. It’s just no comparison. Any how we can close thread after establishing Ti is better and looks better, but sometimes you have to settle on a Trek Madone for disc brakes....sigh.
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Alright guys thanks for helping me decide. Picked up the madone earlier today and it is so gorgeous. Those glistening disc brakes in that NorCal fog gives me so much confidence on my 13mph hammer fests lol. Jokes aside the madone is a good bike and rides well. Already sold the vortex kinda sad about it. When the guy came to pick the vortex up we were looking at the madone and vortex side by side and we both agreed, the vortex was a work of art and looked far better than the Madone. It’s just no comparison. Any how we can close thread after establishing Ti is better and looks better, but sometimes you have to settle on a Trek Madone for disc brakes....sigh.
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Please don’t let this end.
How about should you go tubeless, tubular or tubed tires?
Convert to electronic shifting from mechanical.
Online or local bike shop?
Earbuds while you are riding?
Chamois cream or not?
Keto diet or low fat?
How about should you go tubeless, tubular or tubed tires?
Convert to electronic shifting from mechanical.
Online or local bike shop?
Earbuds while you are riding?
Chamois cream or not?
Keto diet or low fat?
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Alright guys thanks for helping me decide. Picked up the madone earlier today and it is so gorgeous. Those glistening disc brakes in that NorCal fog gives me so much confidence on my 13mph hammer fests lol. Jokes aside the madone is a good bike and rides well. Already sold the vortex kinda sad about it. When the guy came to pick the vortex up we were looking at the madone and vortex side by side and we both agreed, the vortex was a work of art and looked far better than the Madone. It’s just no comparison. Any how we can close thread after establishing Ti is better and looks better, but sometimes you have to settle on a Trek Madone for disc brakes....sigh.
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GCN says the same thing, because that’s the only thing that really makes sense. Having said that, I’m not entirely convinced that the vehicle in the video ran over the bike. It remains rock steady throughout the video and there was not so much as a bump, plus the handle bars on the bike are still dead straight in the broken pics.