Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 22663039)
ESH.
Drafting unannounced is contrary to the rules of etiquette, but snot rockets really are gross and uncalled for. |
In the age of SARS-CoV-2, I am afraid I have to agree that this is not acceptable behavior, from a public health point of view. (I also don't like to have to witness it, even under sterile conditions.) At the very least, pull well off to the side of the path. Better yet, use a tissue and then dispose of it when you get home.
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Originally Posted by BlazingPedals
(Post 22663039)
ESH.
Drafting unannounced is contrary to the rules of etiquette, but snot rockets really are gross and uncalled for.
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 22663322)
In the age of SARS-CoV-2, I am afraid I have to agree that this is not acceptable behavior, from a public health point of view. (I also don't like to have to witness it, even under sterile conditions.) At the very least, pull well off to the side of the path. Better yet, use a tissue and then dispose of it when you get home.
I guess I don't get where you guys are coming from when OP had no reason to believe that anyone was going to witness it let alone get hit by it. And someone who doesn't want to risk COVID exposure should definitely not be wheel sucking. And if the idea is that he's creating some sort of biohazard when his snot ends up on the ground, citation needed, that's completely far-fetched. |
He creates an aerosol cloud that lingers on the path, that could be inhaled by someone further behind. It doesn't have to be a wheel-sucker.
I'm sure you have experienced riding into someone's cloud of exhaled tobacco smoke, or perfume or cologne. If you can smell that, you are probably also inhaling virus particles if they are being shed. The objection based purely on etiquette should be compelling. The public health concerns simply make this more emphatic. |
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 22663354)
He creates an aerosol cloud that lingers on the path, that could be inhaled by someone further behind. It doesn't have to be a wheel-sucker.
I'm sure you have experienced riding into someone's cloud exhaled tobacco smoke, or perfume or cologne. If you can smell that, you are probably also inhaling virus particles if they are being shed. BTW, if the viruses do become airborne, they will dissipate very quickly to too low of a concentration to be considered a threat and also likely die from the exposure. |
Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
(Post 22663322)
In the age of SARS-CoV-2, I am afraid I have to agree that this is not acceptable behavior, from a public health point of view.
(I also don't like to have to witness it, even under sterile conditions.) At the very least, pull well off to the side of the path. Better yet, use a tissue and then dispose of it when you get home. |
We're (really) talking about blowing out body fluids and hitting someone accidentally. It's accidental, but still a "wrong". Getting on someone's wheel uninvited and unannounced, also a "wrong", not accidental and could have consequences. But I say that if someone blew snot on me during a ride, accidental or not, I'd be ticked off and they just might get some "escalated retribution" on the pass. He who lives by the boogie dies by the boogie.
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Originally Posted by prj71
(Post 22663414)
I thinkg we've moved beyond that point now. Nobody is even wearing masks anymore.
In a group ride setting it doesn't work that way. Especially if your huffing along at 20+ mph. |
How did he expect you to know he was there? This is ridiculous. I think he was being overly-aggressive and illogical. On a group ride, I would have accused you. On a solo ride, what you did was perfectly acceptable. Although I blow my nose (or spit) into the palm of my glove, if I felt I had to evacuate my nostrils without benefit of tissue on a solo ride, the last thing I would expect is someone trying to turn my bike into a tandem. Your manners were good. p.s: for people with a deviated septum, this method of aspiration is the only way to maintain proper nasal ventilation.
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Did we ever establish how far off the OPs wheel the other rider was?
For the life of me I will never understand why riders on our path spit and blow snot wads over the path as opposed to toward the grassy side of the path. It's common though. Generally people are remarkably unaware. |
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 22662769)
You don't need to turn your head much to see someone behind you.
Are you suggesting we all do that every minute or two to scan for "knuckle-heads"? |
Back in my late 20s I was on one of my first group rides and had to blow my nose. I reached into my jersey pocket and pulled out a handkerchief and blew my nose. My good friend asked me what I was doing since riding in a pack, I took an unnecessary risk by reaching back and that no one does that, especially experienced riders. I felt like an idiot at that point with my white handkerchief
From that point on, when pacelining or in a group, I would fade to the very back and do the ‘one nostril farmer blow’ aka snot rockets. |
Originally Posted by 1989Pre
(Post 22663449)
I can't believe you just said that. Have you any idea how dangerous it is for a rider to turn one's head 180 degrees?
Are you suggesting we all do that every minute or two to scan for "knuckle-heads"? |
Originally Posted by blacknbluebikes
(Post 22663419)
We're (really) talking about blowing out body fluids and hitting someone accidentally. It's accidental, but still a "wrong". Getting on someone's wheel uninvited and unannounced, also a "wrong", not accidental and could have consequences. But I say that if someone blew snot on me during a ride, accidental or not, I'd be ticked off and they just might get some "escalated retribution" on the pass. He who lives by the boogie dies by the boogie.
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Maybe MoAlpha can either confirm or correct me, but I've been told (and experience seems to bear this out) that plugging a nostril while blowing your nose is a pretty good way to give yourself an ear infection as it forces mucus into the eustachian tube.
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Heck I coughed while on a group ride earlier this year after a sip on my bottle went down wrong. Spewed sugary water all over the people behind me. Mostly on my son that was following close on my wheel.
Any one that get offended or shudders at the thoughts of such should just stay home and watch on TV. |
Originally Posted by Iride01
(Post 22663511)
Heck I coughed while on a group ride earlier this year after a sip on my bottle went down wrong. Spewed sugary water all over the people behind me. Mostly on my son that was following close on my wheel.
Any one that get offended or shudders at the thoughts of such should just stay home and watch on TV. That water bottle chug going down wrong is really embarrassing. Had it happen to me this year as well. People start staring at you like you're Linda Blair.. |
Originally Posted by livedarklions
(Post 22663518)
That water bottle chug going down wrong is really embarrassing. Had it happen to me this year as well. People start staring at you like you're Linda Blair..
But to hold anything against that person is ridiculous. It's just one of those things you put up with if you are going to participate. Only if it can be proven to be intentional and regular behavior of the person then something might need to be done about it. |
I have been snotted on. It’s unpleasant, it happens, but certainly is not worthy of retribution unless you have anger management problems. I just tell offender to next time, go to the back before letting it fly. They usually apologize unless they have a first name of Dick.
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
(Post 22663449)
I can't believe you just said that. Have you any idea how dangerous it is for a rider to turn one's head 180 degrees?
Are you suggesting we all do that every minute or two to scan for "knuckle-heads"? |
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 22663469)
Yeah, the obvious implication of “you don’t need to turn your head much to see someone behind you” is “you should turn your head 180 degrees every minute or two.” Solid reasoning.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
(Post 22663463)
My good friend asked me what I was doing since riding in a pack, I took an unnecessary risk by reaching back and that no one does that, especially experienced riders.
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
(Post 22663627)
It's easy to check behind you? I think that is one of the most ill-considered comments I've heard on this site.
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Originally Posted by 1989Pre
(Post 22663627)
It's easy to check behind you? I think that is one of the most ill-considered comments I've heard on this site.
If you can't fathom how a person can swivel his/her head, then do it differently: move your chin down to your chest and look under your arm -- between your arm and chest, really. It's easier to demonstrate than describe, but it's quick, safe, and gives a full view of everything behind you. |
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 22663639)
Yeah, it's absolutely dangerous and reckless to turn your head while riding to look behind you. Imagine how dangerous it would be if drivers turned their head to check their blind spot before changing lines?
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