Wheel questions
 

I need wheels right now. I found some vuelta track wheels that are in my budget. A question I have is will I have any issues using my bikes original 10 speed freewheel on the rear of a single speed track wheel. I like these wheel because they are 36 hole rear and 32 hole front. I am aware that more spokes can give a more comfortable ride. These particular wheels look to have high flange hubs as track wheels do. In this configuration does the flange height of the hubs negate comfort characteristics that you might get by having 36 and 32 spoke wheels compared to something with less. I'm not a racer by any means. I just ride with my friends or solo. I want to invest in a road bike tubeless setup this year. How many spokes would be recommended for me at 185lbs. Probably still just under 200 with backpack with supplies. good vision so very few pot holes are hit and no fgfs or wheelie ing. While running 700 35c tires in urban metropolitan areas and no plans to run any cargo accessories.

I would want to run rims brakes. How many spokes should I aim for front and back. What type of spokes might I want and how high of a flange height should I try to have.

Yes you will have troubles. Your ten speed cassette won't fit on a hub that is made for a single speed track bike. Nor will the wheel have the needed dishing of a road bike wheel with 10 speed free hub.


If you need wheels, then you'd do well just looking for your best deal on a wheel set for bike that supports a ten speed cassette. If your bike is a mountain bike, look for mountain bike wheels. If it's a road bike or one of the many sub-genres, then look for road bike wheels. Call or email the vendors if you aren't certain what will fit your bike. They'll help you if they want your money.

Try a LBS (local bike shop) They might find some inexpensive wheels for you. It was about twelve years ago, but one close by got me a wheel set for $90. Not bad for the POS bike I was riding back then.

Welcome to BF!

Track wheels are 100/120 spacing, the rear hub will have a single cog thread with a left thread lock ring. These do not sound right for your application.

You should be fine with 32 or 36 spokes.

Welcome Bike jambalaya ,
Track Wheels are so very obviously not suitable, I have to assume you are quite new to cycling.

With that in mind and your need for wheels "right now", a local bike shop (LBS) will be able to save you from making the wrong choice.
Be sure to mention tubeless if that is a current requirement.

I'm 200lb and ride road bikes with "short" flange and I won't go below 24/24 front/rear spokes for both alloy & carbon rims.
24/24 or above are fine for road riding at 200lb.


All the best

Barry

Those are clearly the wrong wheels. As others have said go to your LBS and they can get you the correct wheels. If you want durability and longevity save your money and have a custom built wheel set done by a well known well regarded wheel builder. If you are just looking for something budget your local shop can get you something. You are likely to spend $200-400 for a wheel set and if you spend a bit more you generally get better parts that will last longer and you have a better potential at tubeless compatible rims.

Ok

:popcorn

Welcome Bike jambalaya. It may be helpful to identify (a) the bicycle for which you are trying to buy new wheels, and (b) your budget.

That wasn't a response to what I wrote at all curious, why? If you are trying to get a rise out of me for something else, sorry you failed. You can easily make vegan Jambalaya but none of that has anything to do with your wheel issues or bikes at all.

Take your bike to your local shop and they can help you find wheels.

I think OP's issue is not with jambalaya, but with (at least his) LBS.

I don't go into the lbs and pester them about mechanical ideas I think up because I read something somewhere. They'll just get annoyed. While in my head I'm just asking some questions. Spending the time to enlighten people does not pay their bills. Being a good sales person and selling things does. So I prefer to go in their when I know what I need. If they have it. They make a sale. I think sending people to their lbs prematurely can create a negative experience for people entering cycling. As bike mechanics are sometimes know to be "sharp around the edges"
So possibly consider that before repeatedly suggesting people hit their lbs. Let's allow other to join in that dont log in as often.

Bringing your bike to a LBS for wheels should not annoy them.

Telling you to go buy XYZ wheels for a bike you've provided no information on, and getting it wrong, will annoy you.

I think the BF Community has provided trustworthy information.

Sorry you don't agree, would you like your money back ?

Barry

In my view, Bike Jambalaya is partly right. Go into the LBS at 5pm on a random Friday night in the middle of winter, and you will likely be called by your first name, as you get the shop's full attention and immediate service, as well as all the local bike scene news. Go into the same shop at noon on a Saturday in May, and you might wait in line to drop off your whole bike to a pimply teenager behind the counter.

Part of being a really good customer is knowing and respecting that difference.

Some will, but many won't. At least not in my country and particularly not the LBS's near me. And as for just asking them general questions about the bike or maintenance thereof, once you get the the mechanics in the shops here talking, you'll be hard pressed to end the conversation and get out of the shop in less than almost an hour.

Don't just assume everything you read is correct. Or that your circumstances are exactly the same as the person that wrote it.

I wonder how it goes on food forums lol asking what color potatoes and how many too incorporate into your diet and they say to visit your local dietitian for that information.

I don't think suggesting a lbs visit is even necessary. It's inevitable that one will find their way into one eventually. Assuming they is even one available. Why does everyone always assume that we can just ride on over. Not knowing at least what the weather is like in the country that we're in.

Depends on the person in the shop to whom you speak. Many of the people who work in shops are there because they are bike nerds. Yes, it is possible that you will encounter someone who looks down their nose at you. You might also encounter someone whose goal is making a sale. However, it is rare in my experience that salespeople in bike shops work on commission. What you are also likely to meet is someone who is genuine in wanting to help you. At least I was back when I worked in a bike shop many years ago. I have done a good bit of travelling on cycling vacations both in the US and France. One thing we always wanted to do is visit bike shops. We always met great people when we did

10 speed Freewheel? I doubt it!
What's your budget?
What's the OAL?
Maybe you should help the people that ARE trying to help you instead of acting like a spoiled brat and responding to those that aren't.
Ignore list.

When attempting to help you, we are only aware of details you actually choose to provide.
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Barry

Here's a suggestion, just go ahead and buy whatever you think is best off the internet. Do not seek advice from a bike forum or bike shop. After you have your wheels mounted on your bike and take the first ride with them, let us know how it worked out. You can save yourself from wasting any more time, and maybe you can then give us some worthwhile suggestions,

Wow OP, way to make friends.......:foo:

Everyone is suggesting that you visit an LBS because no one can read your mind; you have identified neither the bike nor your budget. We do not even know what size wheels you need. No one has expressly suggested that you "ride on over" to your LBS, although I suppose we all assumed that you have alternate means of transportation.

Now I am curious what country you are in that also uses pounds (lbs.) as a unit if not in the USA.

Doesn't anyone else smell the popcorn? Salt and butter on mine please.

I suppose this is like if you went on a food forum, asking “what color potatoes are best for making cheesecake, and should I cut them with a spoon or a spatula?”, and then scoffed when people suggested you talk to a chef.

The thing about patronizing the lbs is that they’re happy to answer questions when you need help buying something, and this is part of the value of spending your money there. $250 spent on the right wheels at a shop will help you a lot more than the wrong wheels bought for $100 on the internet.

Well said. The bike shop knows this all too well and they want to help. Every day they deal with people who come in with problems from stuff they bought cheaply on the internet.

Bike jambalaya you have sort of gone off the rails a little, not sure why? Anyway you have a bike of some sort you needed wheels, your local shop is likely to have those wheels you might need. We are only guessing on what is needed because like other posters have mentioned you have given us no info. It is not bothering someone to go in with your bike and say "I would like to get wheels for this, what do you have in stock or what do you recommend?" I wouldn't be mad if you came into my shop. I would be happy to have your business and probably would chat about bikes for a while. I like the odd projects and so long as you weren't being a total crazy to the point of just not listening and arguing in a negative way I am happy to have y'all in.

We cannot guess but your local shop can actually put in the stand and measure or at least see the bike and make the determination nobody here can. If you didn't want our help I would say don't ask. If you want our help understand we are trying to provide you with good help even if you feel it is not good because we aren't saying "buy the wrong thing" and you just waste money. I don't like seeing people do that. I have done that enough for my own projects if I can help someone else prevent that it is a good thing. In the end it is your money and your can do with it as you please but if you are just going to throw it away on stuff that won't work for your project give it to me and I can help with my projects or put it towards the business or donate it to a bike non-profit.

If you want to be pouty and mad and whatever go for it but don't direct that negative energy at us. We have helped you for free and really asked nothing in return. If you are regularly pissing off your local shop look inwards first and see what you can change on your front and if they are also at fault ask to speak to the owner in a polite and respectful way and explain your side of the story in calm fashion without all the emotion or personal attacks and then see what they do. If they don't change then move on to another shop if they do you have effected positive change and done a good thing and you can continue to shop there.

If I read enough between the lines to guess, although I could be wrong, I think the OP might have a 5 speed freewheel (equaling a 10 speed bike) and that is why 120mm track hub was the question.

If this is true, you might need to direct what wheel to get with the C&V people. If not, I give up and can’t help you.

Your main issue would be finding a new 120mm freewheel rear wheel. Maybe not an easy task, especially for less than $200. Tons of used ones out there, but ???

Most likely you’ll need a 126mm and remove a DS spacer and re-dish. The re-dish part may be a problem. I’ve split the 126mm/130mm, but not sure if there are enough spoke threads for a 126mm/120mm.

Depending on the LBS, this may be easy or not. The reality is there might be a limit on how many decades back a shop can support. Not a case of abilities, but time and effort at what expense. I don’t know.

John

Please clarify: When you say "10 speed freewheel", do you mean 10 cogs (sprockets) on the rear axle alone, or from an old "10-speed bike", which means 5 cogs on the rear wheel?

I ask because modern "10 speed" rears, mean 10 cogs on the axle, but ALWAYS on a *freehub*, this is a "cassette" system, NOT a freewheel, that is different.

Hub flange diameter doesn't affect ride quality. Biggest difference is between (any) crossed spoking pattern, and "radial" spokes. I strongly recommend against radial, it is not as durable, and requires higher tension to stay in true. Whether 4X, 3X, or 2X, depends on the number of holes and rim size with respect to hub flange size.

RIGHT! - I was kind of stunned to see that it looks like someone does make a 10spd FREEWHEEL ebay link
anyways - i don't expect the OP to respond again. don't think it's an actual chat bot trolling the site, but perhaps someone snowed in with no fat bike access.
cheers

Some people like to send people on down to the lbs. I'm just saying. I wonder what reaction I would get if I really did go down to my lbs with no intention of buying anything ask a bunch of random questions in random order. Possibly buy some dice air caps. Reminds me a lot of my young days at the rc car and hobby store. I appreciate the willingness to take the time to attempt to share what you know or ask me to help you further in order to help me in return. As it is everyone's right to reply. Let's be conservative if we are merely bicycle enthusiasts and not actual bicycle mechanics or active wheel builders in this case. In the frame builders section of this forum I got a reply from a frame builder. In the mechanical section of this forum It feels like enthusiasts suggesting the local bike mechanic. Or telling me I didn't provide enough information. If you need to know everything you don't actually know. Like they say if you know what your doing you can do it in the dark. Do I get popcorn 🍿 too I get it support your lbs. I'm with it. but... How about annoy the Internet before you go annoy your lbs. That's makes more sense to me. Coming here to refine thoughts or ideas before going into the lbs. With knowledge he does not yet posses because there not on the hunt for new information like I am. It's not a good solution to recommend a visit to an lbs from a keyboard. It's not an effective one. It's like telling someone to eat something after they have expressed being hungry. There going to feed themselves regardless and inevitably. So telling that person to eat something did not do anything for them. Leave the local bike shops out of it. When it comes to seeking information that is available here. You just have to sift through the purist and snobs