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JacobLee 12-30-21 11:00 AM

Headset Head-Scratcher
 
I picked up this tandem yesterday from a CL seller who offered it very cheaply in an as-is, come-and-get-it, I’m-moving-and-don’t-feel-like-lugging-it-around-anymore sort-of-situation. I had done some research based on the listing photos, so I knew it was something special, but I was so distracted by cool frame details as I loaded it in the car, that I had to force myself to pay attention on the icy road home!

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9986b3112.jpeg

Here’s one that I’ve never seen. I’ve done some sleuthing, and I’m pretty sure I know what’s going on here, but I haven’t cracked it open yet. I thought I’d throw it out there and see if anybody can predict what I’ll find.

Any guesses?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...da8538f82.jpeg


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b3ea1503c.jpeg


https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8c752d293.jpeg

repechage 12-30-21 11:06 AM

Reference American Classic, they made a number of different components. Reasonably well engineered, obscure.

nlerner 12-30-21 11:08 AM

1” threadless? I have an A-C headset in the bin for that configuration, waiting for the right project. Different shape than the OP’s, less bulbous!

JacobLee 12-30-21 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 22355943)
Reference American Classic, they made a number of different components. Reasonably well engineered, obscure.

It’s an American Classic Trilock, but that’s part of the head-scratcher.

dddd 12-30-21 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 22355943)
Reference American Classic, they made a number of different components. Reasonably well engineered, obscure.

The top nut should not ever loosen at least!

JacobLee 12-30-21 11:12 AM


Originally Posted by dddd (Post 22355954)
The top nut should not ever loosen at least!

Top nut and threadless stem?

Bianchigirll 12-30-21 11:12 AM

I am very jealous! That is an amazing looking bike. The only reasonably priced tandems I see near me are Schwinn twin$$ and the occasional Columbia.

Nice headset but I am not a big threadless fan, perhaps simply from lack of experience.

JacobLee 12-30-21 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 22355959)
I am very jealous! That is an amazing looking bike. The only reasonably priced tandems I see near me are Schwinn twin$$ and the occasional Columbia.

Nice headset but I am not a big threadless fan, perhaps simply from lack of experience.

This was cheaper than most Twinns listed!

It’s not a threadless headset (head-scratcher).

JacobLee 12-30-21 11:18 AM

Or is it threadless? Crap, maybe not as big a mystery as I thought!

shoota 12-30-21 11:37 AM

Threaded with fancy quill adapter setup?

JacobLee 12-30-21 11:39 AM


Originally Posted by shoota (Post 22355987)
Threaded with fancy quill adapter setup?

Yes, it is threaded.

You could be correct!

gearbasher 12-30-21 11:46 AM

I have three AC Tri-lock headsets. All threaded. I love them. Sealed bearings. BikePro.com / Buyer's Guide / American Classic Headsets - Bicycle Parts at discount prices / the Buyer's Guide / Bicycle Parts at their finest! / Professional Bicycle Source / Bike Pro

Edit: The crown "race" is very delicate. Be gentle if you want to remove it.

SJX426 12-30-21 11:47 AM

Show us pics when you take it apart. I am interested in how it works.

JacobLee 12-30-21 11:51 AM

Sort of worst case scenario!

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5e08f3e4e.jpeg

shoota 12-30-21 12:16 PM

What the heck is happening there??

droppedandlost 12-30-21 12:18 PM

kinda looks like a plug was epoxied in

JacobLee 12-30-21 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by droppedandlost (Post 22356040)
kinda looks like a plug was epoxied in

It’s brazed in.

JacobLee 12-30-21 12:24 PM

Who can guess the measurements of these components?

And then, who can surmise why it was done this way?

Bianchigirll 12-30-21 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by JacobLee (Post 22356046)
It’s brazed in.

That’s a brazen statement.

strange if intriguing set up. Perhaps the builder thought this was the best bullet proof longest life thing going. Unfortunately it totally lacks versatility unless you replace the fork.

BTW any info on the builder?

droppedandlost 12-30-21 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by JacobLee (Post 22356052)
Who can guess the measurements of these components?

And then, who can surmise why it was done this way?

1-1/8 headset with 1" plug?
I guess it looks cleaner than a big threadless adapter....

JacobLee 12-30-21 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by droppedandlost (Post 22356086)
1-1/8 headset with 1" plug?
I guess it looks cleaner than a big threadless adapter....

You are correct, Sir!

Bianchigirll 12-30-21 12:52 PM

Did you look in the bottom of the fork? I wonder if that has a wedge and bolt on the bottom?

JacobLee 12-30-21 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Bianchigirll (Post 22356077)
That’s a brazen statement.

strange if intriguing set up. Perhaps the builder thought this was the best bullet proof longest life thing going. Unfortunately it totally lacks versatility unless you replace the fork.

BTW any info on the builder?

Yes, no adjustment necessary (possible). I guess that's the mark of a true custom; get the fit right the first time. This thing is clearly a work of art: fillet-brazed, matching stems, racks with fender supports, color-matched Silca. Maybe this was in the threaded/threadless transition period when everyone had even stronger opinions about them? Built by John Cutter in San Luis Obispo, California. I was born there, and I love blue bikes, so I couldn't resist. My wife fits great in the stoker position, and I'm going to figure out whatever type of handlebar will work with that stem for me. Hey, for $300 I can make it work.

steelbikeguy 12-30-21 01:02 PM

in case this helps.. a quick shot of the info in my copy of the Bike Pro catalog (possibly the most informative bike catalog ever printed!)


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...40e92dedf1.jpg

Steve in Peoria

repechage 12-30-21 01:03 PM

Nice looking bike, sad how the value of a custom tandem plummets.


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