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Chicago Al 11-03-12 03:35 PM

^ Ooops...sorry, I thought that was your site. Heck, that guy should be on C&V!

jdmbird83 06-21-13 01:07 PM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=324728This is the Grand Record that I obtained from my dad about 5 years ago. The bike that got me into riding a road bike. When I got it, I found that my dad had upgraded the crank to Campy (he bent the original shortly after he bought the bike), got rid of the Brooks Professional saddle, and put a Selle Italia Turbo Special on (incredibly uncomfortable to me), and upgraded to a 700c Matrix ISO II wheelset (wore out the original by the mid 80's). After 5 years of me having the bike, I purchased a longer seatpost so that I could make the bike fit me properly (still have the original SR post), purchased a Red Limited Edition Brooks Swallow, and Brooks Leather Bartape to match, bought an aftermarket set of brake hoods to match the set that came with the bike originally as close as I could, and a Brooks Seat Bag to hang from the rear seat. I also recently added the Bell, as I was tired of using my voice to let people know that I'm coming up behind them. The only other change I plan on making to it in the near future, is replacement cables throughout, and getting red cable housing. I'm in no hurry to do this though, as the originals work perfectly fine, and the bike looks beautiful with it's current setup.

Italuminium 06-21-13 02:19 PM

Welcome to the forums, jdmbird. Thats a very nice bike you have there, and it's always nice to see bikes that get ridden so often and upgraded with better stuff as time goes by.

oh, and btw, this is mine.. the basket case. Needs a new stem, a new head set, a new seatpost, heck, a new everything! slowly gathering parts but HS/stems and 26.6 seatposts are hard to come by for cheap.

http://l7.yimg.com/te/8216/8359540632_f5d2c1f7a8_b.jpg
Untitled by ctjr, on Flickr

rootboy 06-21-13 04:32 PM

C'mon Italoomineeum...we gotta set that buff colored beauty in a better light. With some clothes on and what not.
With maybe some blue tires! ;)

djkashuba 06-21-13 05:22 PM

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7...cc235052_b.jpg
Motobecane Grand Record 650B by djk762, on Flickr

It would be interesting for one of you intellectual types to explain what makes a Grand Record a Grand Record. Was the geometry consistent through the years?

This one is 58 ct. X 58 CC Reynolds 531 and in a French fit way fits me beautifully. My favorite long ride ride.
Easy on the eyes as well.

-D

Chicago Al 06-21-13 06:27 PM

Hey, nice to see some new examples! Great looking bikes...black (and red) goes with anything, you know.

DJ, the designation apparently came from the Campy Record derailleurs and shifters, just as the Grand Jublile had the Huret Jubile setup.

If you can spot your frame's SN, likely on the non-drive dropout, please contribute it to Tmar's thread.

dbakl 06-21-13 06:33 PM


Originally Posted by Chicago Al (Post 15769455)
the designation apparently came from the Campy Record derailleurs

Ah, Nuovo Record.

Italuminium 06-22-13 01:55 AM


Originally Posted by rootboy (Post 15769080)
C'mon Italoomineeum...we gotta set that buff colored beauty in a better light. With some clothes on and what not.
With maybe some blue tires! ;)

yeah, yeah... I'm still very much undecided on what I want to do with it. Half of me wants to build it into a fat tire 650B fixie, the other half of me wants a Retrodirect gearing system, and a very tiny sensible voice in my head says to just go the sensible route with Shimano 600.

rootboy 06-22-13 05:05 AM

I understand. Choices, choices. Actually, any one of those options sounds good so I can see your dilemma.

jhess74 06-22-13 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by djkashuba (Post 15769254)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7...cc235052_b.jpg
Motobecane Grand Record 650B by djk762, on Flickr

It would be interesting for one of you intellectual types to explain what makes a Grand Record a Grand Record. Was the geometry consistent through the years?

This one is 58 ct. X 58 CC Reynolds 531 and in a French fit way fits me beautifully. My favorite long ride ride.
Easy on the eyes as well.

-D

That bike is fantastic... I need a Motobecane now.

3alarmer 09-26-13 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by djkashuba (Post 15769254)

This one is 58 ct. X 58 CC Reynolds 531 and in a French fit way fits me beautifully. My favorite long ride ride.
Easy on the eyes as well.

-D

@djkashuba : in your face, homey.

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=342922http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=342923http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=342924http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=342925

djkashuba 09-26-13 09:07 PM

Sex.

-D

3alarmer 09-26-13 09:36 PM

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........I also finally finished the strip and reassembly of a Raleigh International
I got from Jack a couple of years ago as a bike-in-a-box. It is very pretty, and
I hope to ride it in the Tweed Scum ride this Saturday.

You should come if you can.:thumb:

(one obligatory picture even though this is a French thread ......hee hee, he said French thread.)

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=342937

djkashuba 09-26-13 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 16108183)
........I also finally finished the strip and reassembly of a Raleigh International
I got from Jack a couple of years ago as a bike-in-a-box. It is very pretty, and
I hope to ride it in the Tweed Scum ride this Saturday.

You should come if you can.:thumb:

(one obligatory picture even though this is a French thread ......hee hee, he said French thread.)

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=342937

Wow, that looks much prettier than that clapped out English 3-speed I've seen you on. Are you doing the whole ride are just going straight to the bar?

-D

3alarmer 09-27-13 12:06 AM


Originally Posted by djkashuba (Post 16108240)
Wow, that looks much prettier than that clapped out English 3-speed I've seen you on. Are you doing the whole ride are just going straight to the bar?

-D

.........:wtf:..............I thought straight to the bar was the whole ride ?

And that "clapped out three speed" you so cavalierly dismiss has both patina and panache, words you will doubtless have to look up.

Bikedued 09-27-13 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by djkashuba (Post 15769254)
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8284/7...cc235052_b.jpg
Motobecane Grand Record 650B by djk762, on Flickr

It would be interesting for one of you intellectual types to explain what makes a Grand Record a Grand Record. Was the geometry consistent through the years?

This one is 58 ct. X 58 CC Reynolds 531 and in a French fit way fits me beautifully. My favorite long ride ride.
Easy on the eyes as well.

-D

Ultra hot! Sadly mine is now a bare frame again, as everything got robbed for the Geoffrey Butler. The next build will probably be a single speed, but I want a TA crank for that project. Those are 650 wheels I take it? Looks awesome!,,,,BD

djkashuba 09-27-13 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Bikedued (Post 16110785)
Ultra hot! Sadly mine is now a bare frame again, as everything got robbed for the Geoffrey Butler. The next build will probably be a single speed, but I want a TA crank for that project. Those are 650 wheels I take it? Looks awesome!,,,,BD

Thanks. Yes. 650 with Grand Bois Hetres.

-D

eschlwc 09-27-13 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by djkashuba (Post 16110910)
... what makes a Grand Record a Grand Record[?]

simply, campy nuovo record componentry.

but more so, it was moto's best 'sport tourer,' with 531 db frame, the finest components, and using a balanced geometry. my top tube is slightly longer the seat tube. in that way, it's like the grand jubilé dedicated tourer. but the head tube angle and shorter stays are more like the le champion.

my grand jubilé has a 2" longer wheelbase. it feels longer and smoother, but doesn't miss much when climbing. that vitus 172 tubing (that the gr also used after the company moved away from 531) is really nice and light. i love it.

the gr's last version (85?) came with columbus sl tubing, and was setup as more of a racing bike.

djkashuba 09-28-13 08:53 AM


Originally Posted by eschlwc (Post 16111125)
simply, campy nuovo record componentry.

but more so, it was moto's best 'sport tourer,' with 531 db frame, the finest components, and using a balanced geometry. my top tube is slightly longer the seat tube. in that way, it's like the grand jubilé dedicated tourer. but the head tube angle and shorter stays are more like the le champion.

my grand jubilé has a 2" longer wheelbase. it feels longer and smoother, but doesn't miss much when climbing. that vitus 172 tubing (that the gr also used after the company moved away from 531) is really nice and light. i love it.

the gr's last version (85?) came with columbus sl tubing, and was setup as more of a racing bike.


Thanks for the explanation. My Fall/Winter project is to make over my Le Champion (again) into more of a "sport tourer/ randoesque ride". Friendlier gearing for hills and perhaps dyno-lighting. Big 700c tires as well. We will see what the budget dictates...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5302/5...dca4096d_b.jpg
Motobecane Le Champion by djk762, on Flickr

jeirvine 07-17-14 07:57 AM

I have joined the club. Bought this from the original owner (it has a PG Co. Police Registration from 1976). It seemed to be all original, with TA cranks, and the RD is dated '72. I cleaned everything and swapped in some Stronglights with French pedal threads so I could try out some Lyotard Berthets. I added the pump too - he said he tossed the original. It came with Normandy/Weinmann 27s, and i had the Campy/Gentleman wheelset which fits fine with the original brakes. More pics here.
http://www.thejennifers.com/Bike_Pic...ne/MotoGR5.jpg
http://www.thejennifers.com/Bike_Pic...ne/MotoGR6.jpg
http://www.thejennifers.com/Bike_Pic...ne/MotoGR7.jpg

Jseis 07-17-14 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by eschlwc (Post 16111125)
simply, campy nuovo record componentry.

but more so, it was moto's best 'sport tourer,' with 531 db frame, the finest components, and using a balanced geometry. my top tube is slightly longer the seat tube. in that way, it's like the grand jubilé dedicated tourer. but the head tube angle and shorter stays are more like the le champion.

my grand jubilé has a 2" longer wheelbase. it feels longer and smoother, but doesn't miss much when climbing. that vitus 172 tubing (that the gr also used after the company moved away from 531) is really nice and light. i love it.

the gr's last version (85?) came with columbus sl tubing, and was setup as more of a racing bike.

say Billy Chuck. Was the complete GR gruupo Campy NR including BB & Crank, etc?

I've always wondered about the Campy dropouts on my Moto GJ which was new January '74 (I figure it was built fall '73) with a crazy quilt of Stronglight, Huret, Pivo, Weinmann, Ideale, Normandy, etc. (can't recall original pedals...ugly) of course I've Heinz '57'd since (but decades ago) with Avocet, TTT, Super Champion, MaFac, Suntour, Time, & etc.

rootboy 07-17-14 09:02 AM

Super nice example, Jeirvine. One of these days I'll get to restoring mine. So many other things to do….

Chicago Al 07-17-14 11:31 AM

jervine...great looking bike!

jseis: Grand Record = Record derailleurs and shifters, also Campy dropouts. Everything else not campy, TA crankset pretty standard but other parts changed year to year.
Grand Jubile' = Huret Jubile' derailleurs and shifters, Huret dropouts. Everything else = 'dog's breakfast.'

The components look to have been chosen for value rather than a uniform 'gruppo': get the 'important' ones on for the name and (perceived) performance, but everything else would depend on hitting a price point. Even by the early 70s there were excellent Japanese parts (Nitto for example) which turned up on Motobecane way before other Euro manufacturers would try them.

The 'Grand Record' and 'Grand Jubile' appear to be models specifically for the US, and the names, components, even the color combinations we all love, may have been dictated by importer Ben Lawee, who was a genius at packaging and marketing bikes. He also had imported Raleigh and Bianchi, started the 'Italvega' brand, then started up the Univega brand.

Jseis 07-17-14 12:39 PM

Show your Motobecane Grand Record
 
Was it possible that GR and GJ used the same frame? Maybe shared same Stronglight crank & headset but the GR had better forks? My GJ forks aren't 531 but I'd recalled from memory 40+ years ago that the GR next to the GJ that I bought had 531 forks..I think.

With the Nervex cutout lugs...pretty hard to see the difference .

Chicago Al 07-17-14 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Jseis (Post 16947830)
Was it possible that GR and GJ used the same frame? Maybe shared same Stronglight crank & headset but the GR had better forks? My GJ forks aren't 531 but I'd recalled from memory 40+ years ago that the GR next to the GJ that I bought had 531 forks..I think.

With the Nervex cutout lugs...pretty hard to see the difference .

No, GJ has a noticeably longer frame...as eschlwc notes a few posts up, he measured his GJ as 2" longer. And the GJ's frame should have had (according to the catalogs) Huret dropouts. (I was mistaken above and have corrected it, after checking the catalog.) If you're looking at a frame with Campy dropouts maybe it's not a GJ? Though sometimes bikes as built were different from catalog specs. One year the catalog says that the GR has lugs by 'Nervex or Prugnat' so even they weren't sure!

Only the GR had a 531 fork. The specs changed year to year though--Grand Record went from '3 main tubes 531' to '531 throughout.'

The GR came with the TA 'Professional' 3-arm crank, the GJ was Stronglight.

GR came with a Brooks Pro, GJ did not; GR came with 700c tubulars (some years), GJ always had 27" rims.

All these details are in the Moto catalogs you can find at velo-pages.com. I'm just looking at 1974-75-76, other years obviously different.

peugeot mongrel 07-17-14 04:24 PM

OK this thread inspires me. Here is my mistreated orphen I got a while back at a FrankenBike swap. I'm still trying to get the stem out without cutting it. I already cut out the seatpost. No wheels but everything on it is original. Pedals still have the caps. I lost one TA dust cover getting it off. 75 I'm pretty sure.


http://mmaygraphics.com/Transfer3/Moto-GR75-1a.jpg

jeirvine 08-16-14 01:19 PM

Bumping for pics. I am seeing if I can get correct French 531 tubing decals for a 72/73 GR. If anyone has or could take pics of originals, it would be greatly appreciated. Since mine did have fork 531 decals I assume the main decal would be like these:
"Garanti construit avec tubes renforcés fourreaux de fourche et arriéres"
http://api.ning.com/files/e3fQE5OJ*S...ejeunet017.JPG
http://s22.postimg.org/l0d4uz5i9/Git...Orange_011.jpg
http://s16.postimg.org/p5emrwwh1/Rey...h_Early70s.jpg

theoretical12 02-19-15 01:46 AM

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question
I recently found a GR in my parent's shed, they've had it stored since 1980 for a friend that never wanted it back.. I know it's pre-1980, is there a way to tell what year it's from?

It needs some work, but do you think it's worth the investment to bring it back up to speed? Some parts probably need to be replaced and there's rust here and there as you can see in the pictures. Any comments or suggestions are definitely appreciated.. thanks!


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eschlwc 02-19-15 07:58 AM

^ in '78, moto started using vitus 172 for the g.record tubing. that same paint/decal scheme was used through '81.

moto never put stem shifters on a g.record, though. make sure it has a derailleur hanger. crank and pedals look a little suspect.

if you think a component is original and can find a two digit date code on it, look up the code on the vintage trek web site to determine the month/year of the part. this may help determine date of bike production. moto's frame serial usually reveals very little.

theoretical12 02-19-15 11:00 AM

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thanks for the reply

here are three closer up photos of the crank and pedals, i'm pretty new to bikes so does this look salvageable?

also the owner must have modified the shifters himself? all of the other motos i've seen have down tube shifters? does this make much of a difference for my use of the bike or a difference in having it repaired by my LBS?

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