Where are the Belgian frames?
It's Classic's season in northern Europe, and that got me to wondering: why has such a cycling-mad nation such as Belgium produced so few high-end bicycle frames? I know it's a small country, but that hasn't stopped them from spawning a slew of top-notch racers. For frames there's Eddy Merckx, but only after about 1975. You see a Kessels on Ebay maybe once a year. That's about it. Can anyone chime in here with a little history lesson?
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I am sure there are more. Many small builders for example, just like in Holland. When visiting 'Stalen Ros Gent' I encountered multiple 'Groene Leeuw' bikes. It would be very interesting to learn more on them.
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Flandria is a nice brand as well. And Elev12k, i guess your assumption that there were many small artisans building frames (and more probably as a side business to a cycle store) is correct, i just mist out on a full reynolds 531 bike branded in the name of a store from belgium in "that seventies" light blue - a pity, really. But I think that the belgian market switched to Italian bikes quite early compared to other places, because all the pro's rode on GIOS'ses, Colnago's etc.
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Belgian bikes:
http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...Belgian+bikes/ http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...etsen/Cornelo/ http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...orges+Pintens/ http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...inqueuer+1983/ http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...tsen/Splendor/ In the 70s, and early 80s, there were still a lot of pro teams sponsored by and supplied with Belgian bikes: Flandria, Superia, Norta, Ludo, Splendor, Plum, Carlos, Fangio, etc. Splendor was a big bike manufacturer, but the Splendor race frames were made by Martens (now Martelly), they probably made a lot of frames for other teams too. Martens also made frames for shops, like the Pintens. Carlos was basically a French make, close to the Belgian border. Boston were the bikes that had the first complete Mavic gruppo (Boston-Mavic), but what Boston was, and who made the frames, i don't know. The Clemenso history is well described on the net. Looked at this way, Merckx frames are newcomers ... So, basically, i have tidbits of knowledge and wish i had found out more back in the day ... |
Good thread.
Worthy of some research. I think Kroozer is secretly (or subconscientiously) looking for a new and obscure addition. Clever cover - the Spring Classics. |
Diamant, early 80's full 531
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2542/...4e1_z.jpg?zz=1 Another Diamant... http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...cs/diamant.gif And a Merckx http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b2...s/DSCN3966.jpg Jake |
Diamant, also build by Martens ...
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Originally Posted by s70rguy
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Diamant, also build by Martens ...
What about the U Scanini? It is newer, but any ideas on who built those? Jake |
The more expensive Scaninis were build in Italy, and had ITA bb threads; the cheapeer ones were build by Martens and had English threading. Eddy Martens or Bart Verhagen (owner of the Scanini name) told me that they made the profiled tubing for the cheaper frames themselves, with a machine to press creases into the tubes. I had a Belgian made Scanini, and its certainly a different feeling frame! But I prefer the Italian ones, super quality.
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Martelly
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Another Martelly, Columbus SLX, crimped tubing, very light. Mayor framebuilding skills!
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-D...0/DSC_0060.JPG all pictures |
yep,i saw many Belgian are racer,i also wondering why so many people in their country are like to ride bike?
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I don't know. It is a cultural thing. Where I live people tend to like speedskating, in Canada they like ice hockey, in New Zealand they are grazy of rugby... etc. The Belgian's dominate cyclo cross and are also very well represented in road cycling. Maybe it has to do with riding is good and that there were quite some successfull riders?
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Originally Posted by yifeng vivi
(Post 13447057)
yep,i saw many Belgian are racer,i also wondering why so many people in their country are like to ride bike?
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Originally Posted by bbattle
(Post 13447191)
When cars, parking, gasoline and taxes are very high, riding a bicycle becomes easier.
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Originally Posted by s70rguy
(Post 12521041)
The more expensive Scaninis were build in Italy, and had ITA bb threads; the cheaper ones were build by Martens and had English threading.
U. Scanini had it's own factory in Beauvechain, I understand that's where the majority of the frames came from. If they needed something high-end (because they were sponsoring a rider) they turned to Italy or Martens. Just like Diamant, who still has the factory in Bekkevoort, turned to Martens for "specials". |
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Not to speak for Jake...but...if I remember correctly, it had a MAX DT and chain stays but round TT and non-MAX fork blades.
Originally Posted by stevenc
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Is that MAX tubing?
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Originally Posted by stevenc
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I don't agree Martens built the cheaper frames.
U. Scanini had it's own factory in Beauvechain, I understand that's where the majority of the frames came from. If they needed something high-end (because they were sponsoring a rider) they turned to Italy or Martens. Just like Diamant, who still has the factory in Bekkevoort, turned to Martens for "specials". About a year ago Martens offered (on kapaza I think) some very nice NOS Martelly frames, in a variety of exotic tubing. Ver well built, very nice paintjobs, but expensive. One in Columbus Neuron, one in Max. From the look of it, very classy workmanship. |
This is, or better, was, my 2002 Diamant Blitz, in Thron OS tubing, and Campy Veloce 9 speed components, as it must have come out of the shop.
It was a heavy bike, but a very stable and comfortable long distance rider. i used it very much in Thailand, then sold it to a Thai collector. :thumb: http://www.wooljersey.com/gallery/v/...08940.JPG.html |
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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=226063J Van Staeyen probably mid 70's. Van Staeyens are a 4 or 5 generation racing family. Run a bike shop in Schoten Flanders. Sorry about the poor picture.
Ed |
Another small Belgium Bike Builder?
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Flander Pro Team w/7spd Shimano STIs
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Originally Posted by yifeng vivi
(Post 13447057)
yep,i saw many Belgian are racer,i also wondering why so many people in their country are like to ride bike?
Just drop google street view onto a random road in Holland and chances are its safe nd flat for bikes to ride on. |
If anyone can tell me more about Fangio bikes, i'd be grateful!
http://nl.kapaza.be/antwerpen/een-ko...s-60502267.htm |
Originally Posted by Belg-Ital Steel
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Flander Pro Team w/7spd Shimano STIs
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