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Salubrious 10-21-16 09:00 AM

I picked up a 1937 Raleigh Sports recently. Its equipped with a type K hub.

Right now the big concern is the condition of the frame's finish is deplorable. Someone gave it a spray can finish. I'm wondering if anyone has come up with means to get that stuff off without damaging what's underneath. I can see bits of some of the decals- enough to know that I won't be finding them on ebay.

jorglueke 10-21-16 09:08 AM

Can you see bits of the original color?

rhm 10-21-16 09:11 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19138385)
I picked up a 1937 Raleigh Sports recently. Its equipped with a type K hub.

Right now the big concern is the condition of the frame's finish is deplorable. Someone gave it a spray can finish. I'm wondering if anyone has come up with means to get that stuff off without damaging what's underneath. I can see bits of some of the decals- enough to know that I won't be finding them on ebay.

Yes, you can get it off, with the right solvent, but you're going to have to figure that out for yourself. Sorry!

Spray paints vary. Basically you need to make an ordered list of solvents, going from the most innocuous to the nastiest, and start with something innocuous like denatured alcohol, then proceed to naphtha, and so on. Start with what you have on your garage shelf. Put some on a paper towel, rub the paint, and look at the paper towel. If it starts turning the color of the rattlecan paint, you've found your solvent. Sooner or later you will find something that works.

Salubrious 10-21-16 09:14 AM

Thanks!

adventurepdx 10-21-16 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by scale (Post 19138169)
It will need tires for sure. Others i have worked on i have gone with the schwable tires but on this one i might try to get by a bit cheaper. Has anyone used the Sunlite tires? They appear to have the same or very simular tread to the original tires


https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-Stree...008ZTKS1Y?th=1

Y'know, these tires were just talked about by @SirMike1983 in the previous page on this here thread! ;)

DQRider 10-21-16 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 19138634)
Y'know, these tires were just talked about by @SirMike1983 in the previous page on this here thread! ;)

So Shawn wins the Gold Star for Reading Retention! (Darn it, where's that Gold Star .gif?)

That was a whole page ago; some of us have age-related memory issues, Sonny. :50:

Are you making fun of our handicap?

adventurepdx 10-21-16 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 19138701)
So Shawn wins the Gold Star for Reading Retention! (Darn it, where's that Gold Star .gif?)

That was a whole page ago; some of us have age-related memory issues, Sonny. :50:

Are you making fun of our handicap?

Watch it, or I'll make you ride a couple extra rides to qualify for the Three Speed Challenge prize! :p

agmetal 10-21-16 02:09 PM

I totally forgot about the 3-speed challenge :lol: I ride mine a lot, but I have 7-8 rideable bikes to choose between, and of those, 3-4 are 3-speeds, but only one sees regular usage.

clubman 10-21-16 02:38 PM

Not sure one of these has been posted yet. A Robin Hood 531 plain gauge 3 speed. Didn't get a date on the hub but I'm pretty sure it's circa 1960. Similar to Lenton Sports and Clubmans of the late 50's but metal mudguards and maybe upright bars if they're original. EA1 wheels, 3 pin chainset.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LF...=w1145-h644-no

nlerner 10-21-16 03:14 PM

Here's one I built up and sold off recently: an 80s somewhat low-end Univega frameset with 27" wheels and a Sturmey Archer AW rear hub, steel stem and bars. So kind of inspired by English 3-speeds:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5592/3...131b3369_c.jpgUnivega3Speed_1 by neal_lerner

https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8647/3...05435022_c.jpgUnivega3Speed_3 by neal_lerner

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5610/3...ece60db2_c.jpgUnivega3Speed_8 by neal_lerner

DQRider 10-21-16 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19139149)
Not sure one of these has been posted yet. A Robin Hood 531 plain gauge 3 speed. Didn't get a date on the hub but I'm pretty sure it's circa 1960. Similar to Lenton Sports and Clubmans of the late 50's but metal mudguards and maybe upright bars if they're original. EA1 wheels, 3 pin chainset.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LF...=w1145-h644-no

What a cool bike! I didn't even know they did a 531 Lenton-style frame with the other brands/badges. I have been seriously thinking about learning to build frames, just so I can duplicate this geometry in some nice, exotic tubing - and then build the ultimate roadster. Dreaming, of course... to do that, I would have to quit my day job. But if I win the lottery... :rolleyes:

BigChief 10-21-16 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19139149)
Not sure one of these has been posted yet. A Robin Hood 531 plain gauge 3 speed. Didn't get a date on the hub but I'm pretty sure it's circa 1960. Similar to Lenton Sports and Clubmans of the late 50's but metal mudguards and maybe upright bars if they're original. EA1 wheels, 3 pin chainset.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LF...=w1145-h644-no

Nice Bike! This is news to me. I've always thought Raleigh treated the Robin Hood mark as an economy line.

agmetal 10-21-16 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19139149)
Not sure one of these has been posted yet. A Robin Hood 531 plain gauge 3 speed. Didn't get a date on the hub but I'm pretty sure it's circa 1960. Similar to Lenton Sports and Clubmans of the late 50's but metal mudguards and maybe upright bars if they're original. EA1 wheels, 3 pin chainset.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LF...=w1145-h644-no

Is that an AG hub?

clubman 10-22-16 06:08 AM

yup

scale 10-22-16 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19126687)
For those of you looking for "roadster" tires in the 26 x 1 3/8 English 590mm size, Kenda/Sunlite now has a mini-version of the DL-1 style tires:


I recently put a set on my 1946 Hercules Model C.


https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y0Oe2TBR3...015_124807.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iha6cqMYz...015_133502.jpg


What do you think of them after riding them a bit? I am thinking about ordering a set for my '64 sports. They look the part for sure. The price seems more than good. Would you recommend them after riding/owning them?

gster 10-22-16 06:35 AM

Raleigh Laurentian 3 Speed
 
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A recent Kijiji listing for an early 60's Raleigh Laurentian. These were specific models made for the Canadian market. A good looking bike at a reasonable $135.00 asking price.

gster 10-22-16 06:44 AM

Triumph 3 Speed
 
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Another current Toronto, Kijiji listing. A vintage Triumph 3 speed listed at $100.00.

smontanaro 10-22-16 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by scale (Post 19140296)
What do you think of them after riding them a bit? I am thinking about ordering a set for my '64 sports. They look the part for sure. The price seems more than good. Would you recommend them after riding/owning them?

I've not used them in this context, but was never able to get Kenda tires to seat well on my old Schwinn Speedster (ISO 597 steel rims). I'm in the midst of an upgrade which includes switching to an alloy ISO 590 (650A) wheelset. I chose the Panaracer Col de la Vie. I've not yet ridden the bike with the new setup, but have always had good luck with Panaracer Paselas. It's not clear that the slightly wider tire (40mm v. 37mm) will fit all traditional English roadsters, but if you have the clearance, that might be an option.

I planned to switch to a MAFAC Racer brake up front, but it looks like I might need something with more reach. (I doubt the original Schwinn Approved Weinmann brake would have reached either). The upgraded pig will have a Sturmey-Archer XRD3 rear hub (drum brake).

gster 10-22-16 07:02 AM

1958 Robin Hood 3 Speed
 
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This one's still for sale on Kijiji, Toronto. A rare bike, the current owner has spent quite a bit of time cleaning it up and re-packing bearings etc. Comes with a working Dynohub and a nice period frame pump.He's asking $270.00.

gster 10-22-16 07:23 AM

Odd Ball 3 Speed
 
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I guess the owner likes the bars this way...

Loose Chain 10-22-16 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19140361)
I guess the owner likes the bars this way...

Well, I asked once or twice what is considered the "proper" set up/angle for North Road bars and was told there is none. I suspect there is. Whoever designed the bars back in the ancient days of Raleighdom I am sure had an idea in his head of how they should be set.

Long ago, I was racing Crits and I took my bike into a shop to have repairs made and a grizzled and scared gent came out and nearly beat me for having my Pinarello set up incorrectly. He snatched the bike from me and looked me over and adjusted everything and then said, this is how you shall ride this bike or do not come back to my shop. O-K-A-Y! Well that is where it is to this day. And he specifically told me that drop bars bottoms shall be parallel to the earth :twitchy:. I do not care what ya'll do but I imagine if I was to twist my drops to an angle that old feller would come after me so I figure there is a "setting" as well for other bar types :D.

But maybe not :foo:.

I have been angling the NR bars slightly down which seems comfortable to me since I prefer a good drop to my bars and a somewhat more sporting position on the bike which is infinity more comfortable and efficient to me than set up with the bars way up in the air and angled upward. My point, perhaps it depends upon how one sets the saddle to the bars, saddle/bar drop, as to the "correct" angle for the bars which should be a neutral position of the wrists maybe?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psdxmehpn1.jpg

J

artclone 10-22-16 09:52 AM

Cool Peugeot.
It's for sale too. $700 (Not mine)
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/5834577868.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00q0q_...p_1200x900.jpg

smontanaro 10-22-16 09:53 AM

His 'n Hers Raleigh Superbes on Chicago CL
 
I think I've outed this pair in the past before, but they are still available. His 'n hers Raliegh Superbes for $625.

RALEIGH SUPERBE

https://images.craigslist.org/00O0O_...o_1200x900.jpg
https://images.craigslist.org/00b0b_...k_1200x900.jpg

artclone 10-22-16 09:54 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19139223)
Here's one I built up and sold off recently: an 80s somewhat low-end Univega frameset with 27" wheels and a Sturmey Archer AW rear hub, steel stem and bars. So kind of inspired by English 3-speeds:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5592/3...131b3369_c.jpgUnivega3Speed_1 by neal_lerner

https://c5.staticflickr.com/9/8647/3...05435022_c.jpgUnivega3Speed_3 by neal_lerner

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5610/3...ece60db2_c.jpgUnivega3Speed_8 by neal_lerner


Nice! Key might be finding frame without shift bosses like this. On my project list.

Loose Chain 10-22-16 10:13 AM

I like the old fan on the work bench, I have a couple of them, one runs, the other needs rewound, they were my grandparents. J

artclone 10-22-16 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 19140627)
I like the old fan on the work bench, I have a couple of them, one runs, the other needs rewound, they were my grandparents. J

Yeah, I have one too. Built like a tank and has that neat hinge for oscillation. GE I think.

Wish my workspace was as spartan.

gster 10-22-16 10:33 AM

Owner thinks this one's good
 
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Another Kijiji ad in Toronto,
No rust dent or damage!

arex 10-22-16 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19140655)
Another Kijiji ad in Toronto,
No rust dent or damage!

I'm not convinced there's no damage. That fork looks like it could be bent, and possibly the downtube right behind the headtube lug.

BigChief 10-22-16 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by artclone (Post 19140645)
Yeah, I have one too. Built like a tank and has that neat hinge for oscillation. GE I think.

Wish my workspace was as spartan.

We have one in our shop too. An oscillator, must be from the 30s. it's cast bronze, weighs a ton and works perfectly. Don't make em like they used to. Fans come and go, but that old timer outlives them all.

gster 10-22-16 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 19141200)
I'm not convinced there's no damage. That fork looks like it could be bent, and possibly the downtube right behind the headtube lug.

Yes, badly damaged....


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