Got it, Tx!

:thumb: Quick shout out to all that have chimed in and liked this, I know some of it is a bit odd and that was the point, seems like I wasn't wrong. ;)

Thanks to all, as you can tell, I am going to keep this going for awhile because its never really "done" is it? :foo:

Actually my Marinoni is considered 62cm ctc. I generally use the ctt number since that seems useful these days in conversations about bike size. So my ctt number is just that +half a TT diameter. FWIW, the Klein I had for many years was considered 60cm (yeah, it was too small) and they measured to the top of the actual horizontal TT, not their extended ST.

No idea what a full frame worth of (presumably good old school, full toxic, multi-layer) chrome adds. The complete Marinoni, “bare” with Berthoud Ti-rail saddle on a VO long setback post, Shimano SPD pedals, two King bottle cages weighs right at 24 lbs. I’d double check it now on the digital scale built into my Topeak workstand, but it’s not in bare bike configuration now, since I always have that minimalist Tubus rack, lights, computer, etc. installed.

Maybe with all this spare time these days I’ll do another measurement, without as much of that stuff as I can take off reasonably.

Guess I should put this here too.

Pretty much as I hoped/expected.

Strawberry ride report, finally.

1mi pre-ride around the block to shakedown, adjust seat and bars, then measly 10.7mi which is about as far as I go on a ride from home when just going for a ride.

Rides like a dream, smooth on smooth, very nice on rough and crappy, good on hard pack/turf/dirt single track (only about a mile and very little at speed).

The fork is very compliant, soaks up a lot of static and nonsense while tracking rock solid, excellent feel.

Sorry, no pics, I was concerned about rain that was forecast and looked likely but still not yet, should have stayed out. https://www.bikeforums.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

Again, fantastic work from Dave with Andy's parts, piece's, history, tradition and blessing.

And the seat clamp held just fine so far. :rolleyes:

Bump for fun. ;)

Circling back to ad the weight factor, 24.3lb complete with pedals.

As stated before, the boat anchor seat/clamp/post is 2.4, so lose 1 or more there, change out the heavy tires, lose the pedals and it goes into the 21lb range.

I may swap some around to see if that happens. ;)

I was going to guess right around 25 lbs as that is what the Paramount is. May not have a boat anchor seat post, but still has a B17 and triple gearing. It seems around 24-26 lbs is where the bike tells the road what to do/feel while also not being a total tank. Below 20 lb is fun, but the road is for sure telling the bike and the rider what they should be feeling. I think that the leather saddle, more upright seating position, and carbon crank are really helping the frame and tire combo out on ride. The more saddle-to-bum contact (generally due to more upright torso orientation) = the more it feels like I'm sitting in a car's seat or on a couch = the more comfortable I feel and the more comfortable my brain tells me to feel. To the point that I think I need a seatbelt! :lol:

Those tires are 32mm right? They certainly look it. Not too "overly-heavy" for their size. My (used) Soma Supple Vitesse EX "33mm" tires (measure a solid 30mm) are in the 275g range and Continental specs 340g for the 32mm variant, and 295g for the 28mm. 1/4 of a pound I suppose does add up, but at least you get a high TPI count. :)

You and Mr. Frost are in the same camp he was at 25 as well. The tires are 32's.

You bring up a great point about the "target" weight, hadn't thought about it that way before and don't really have your perspective having meticulously built so many bikes and wrung them out properly but it clicks now, spot on.

I will definitely lighten this up to test out the theory for myself but am all in on the the rationale so we'll see. ;)

Circling back, Rivendell designed Nitto noodle 177, wide, flat, 26 clamp matches the VO stem, scored at the co-op for cheap. ;)

Circling back for a bump on this, been commuting on this quite a bit so probably at least 500 mi. so far, 3 tilt adjustments and no clamp slippage nonsense whatsoever. ;)

Sounds like a success story to me.

Cool bike. :)

:thumb: Tx Grady, we're going to go with that for now.

This is one of those little pita things that seems to take on a life of its own, should be simple till its not, couple of poor outcomes and its declared a pos when all that really needs to happen is a redoubling of effort and thought to solve the problem that with proper diligence may never have presented itself.

Simple or otherwise, I love a good challenge. ;)

Beautiful bike, top to bottom !

No stone was left unturned, every detail seems to be carefully worked out.

You can chrome plate a lot of materials, including aluminum. I'm thinking my favorite seatpost type (two-bolt, either Campagnolo, Suntour) fully chromed.

:thumb: Tx!

Yep, obsessed over every single piece that went on this. ;)

Yep, got a 2 bolt Campy in the queue, my favorite too.

Any recommendation for who does good chrome on these for less than an arm and a leg?

Do they do the cradles too?

PS, have made several adjustments to the one on there, no slipping at all so far. ;)

My first impulse would be to go where the "bikers" go to get their hogs pimped. They'd need to be informed that this is a combination aluminum/steel affair -- I'm not sure that the process is any different (copper-nickel-chrome), but dwell time and electropotentials might be different for different substrates. I'm no electroplating expert, by any means.

Those guys are usually not interested in bicycle parts and they don't seem to be confident in doing aluminum, want a lot of $$$ to try with no guarantee.

I drag race motorcycles so am pretty familiar with them.

We have one local place that gets very mixed reviews, I may see what they say.

That gal is truly cool. I love the framery quirks.

Found it!
Ben

Tx, all by design but never would have turned out anywhere near as well without the mastermind that made it happen, Dave did a fantastic job. ;)

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