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Velo Vol 12-04-21 10:39 PM

Trickery on the East Coast!


LesterOfPuppets 12-04-21 10:40 PM


Originally Posted by indyfabz (Post 22328488)
No marks on the car. Iím going with Erie (later Erie Lackawanna). I think they used red.

I briefly tried to figure out whose tracks those were BITD. It may have been Delaware & Hudson, but I didn't have time to nail it down.

datlas 12-05-21 06:16 AM

It’s another chilly morning, but roads are dry so time to ride!

phrantic09 12-05-21 06:18 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22329208)
On my latest health insurance claims statement, the "new" place I went for my last mouse drug infusion billed $21,070.70. SMH.

($18,330.90 of that was written off as "network savings"). Absurd.


And yet people blame insurance companies for the high cost of healthcare.

BillyD 12-05-21 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22329103)
Me eating a meal at someone's house and seeing that dessert is apple pie.


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f4f8aaff4.jpeg

They're practicing being wives when they can't get their way. Scary.

BillyD 12-05-21 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by DougRNS (Post 22329128)
I do not root for UGA. I was happy with the result. It was a welcomed salve to my bruised and battered self.

I'd rather Georgia than Alabama, based almost entirely on non-sports factors. But that's just me.

BillyD 12-05-21 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by DougRNS (Post 22329206)

Grazzi!

BillyD 12-05-21 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22329239)
Are you saying that isn't a picture of you and your friends?

Whichever one is him, I must say he's cuter than I thought.

Mojo31 12-05-21 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22329418)
Whichever one is him, I must say he's cuter than I thought.

Here I was thinking that if one of them was him, I might be tempted to switch sides. ;)

bampilot06 12-05-21 08:59 AM

Got all suited up to ride this morning grab the madone and the back tire is flat. At this point I am throwing these damn bontrager tires away. What a waste. I almost want to return the rear but I donít think I can.

Throwing gators on today, not to happy about it. The GP5000 on the C2 are too wide for the madone.

Mojo31 12-05-21 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22329446)
Got all suited up to ride this morning grab the madone and the back tire is flat. At this point I am throwing these damn bontrager tires away. What a waste. I almost want to return the rear but I donít think I can.

Throwing gators on today, not to happy about it. The GP5000 on the C2 are too wide for the madone.

Have had the R3 on my Domane for a year, and no problems.

Trek has a 30 day satisfaction guaranty, and will take anything back within that time for any reason, used or not.

bampilot06 12-05-21 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22329450)
Have had the R3 on my Domane for a year, and no problems.

Trek has a 30 day satisfaction guaranty, and will take anything back within that time for any reason, used or not.


I donít have the box, do you think thatís a problem?

DougRNS 12-05-21 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22329252)

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...737202315e.jpg
The return of Panther domination is about to begin. First the ACC, then the world!

Mojo31 12-05-21 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22329453)
I donít have the box, do you think thatís a problem?

Don't know, but not likely.

Velo Vol 12-05-21 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22329357)
And yet people blame insurance companies for the high cost of healthcare.

I blame everyone (except for me, obv.).

DougRNS 12-05-21 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22329399)
They're practicing being wives when they can't get their way. Scary.

You don't see any guys in the picture. Burned all the bridges already.

bampilot06 12-05-21 09:48 AM


Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 22329357)
And yet people blame insurance companies for the high cost of healthcare.


They are some of the problem.

The fact that people can sue for anything and everything is another part of the equation.

Mojo31 12-05-21 10:13 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22329481)
They are some of the problem.

The fact that people can sue for anything and everything is another part of the equation.

This statement is not as true as one would believe. Sure, you can sue and allege anything you want, but the following do a pretty good job of keeping suits to real claims:
  • The cost of litigation - Lawyers are not typically filing suits that they don't believe have a high likelihood of success if they are taking it on a contingency fee basis. We have to weigh how much of our time and money we want to devote to a case that has a low possibility of success. If the client is paying the fees and costs, they don't typically want to foot the bill without a good chance of winning.
  • Court procedures - There are penalties for bringing frivolous cases, and they do a pretty good job of keeping those out of the courthouse. I can recount maybe one case in my 37 years that was frivolous
"You can sue for anything" has simply become a rally cry for those that do not understand the courts and their procedures. There's not really much substantive truth in that statement.

The bigger issue is medical billing practices. The high prices and subsequent insurance markdowns are used to spread the cost of medical care across society. If you are afraid of "socialized medicine" then you need to realize that it's already here. It's just that the insurance companies are the ones socializing the cost of medical care.

bampilot06 12-05-21 10:20 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22329501)
This statement is not as true as one would believe. Sure, you can sue and allege anything you want, but the following do a pretty good job of keeping suits to real claims:
  • The cost of litigation - Lawyers are not typically filing suits that they don't believe have a high likelihood of success if they are taking it on a contingency fee basis. We have to weigh how much of our time and money we want to devote to a case that has a low possibility of success. If the client is paying the fees and costs, they don't typically want to foot the bill without a good chance of winning.
  • Court procedures - There are penalties for bringing frivolous cases, and they do a pretty good job of keeping those out of the courthouse. I can recount maybe one case in my 37 years that was frivolous
"You can sue for anything" has simply become a rally cry for those that do not understand the courts and their procedures. There's not really much substantive truth in that statement.

The bigger issue is medical billing practices. The high prices and subsequent insurance markdowns are used to spread the cost of medical care across society. If you are afraid of "socialized medicine" then you need to realize that it's already here. It's just that the insurance companies are the ones socializing the cost of medical care.

I thought one of the reasons medical cost were so high was to cover the cost of malpractice suits. Thatís more what I was referring to.

Velo Vol 12-05-21 10:25 AM

Don't forget greedy doctors/nurses.

Mojo31 12-05-21 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22329508)
I thought one of the reasons medical cost were so high was to cover the cost of malpractice suits. That’s more what I was referring to.

Well, if you look at the State of Texas which has some of the most stringent laws against malpractice suits (to the extent that very few are filed), the medical costs and insurance costs have not gone down as a result but continue to go up. The Repubs that were pushing malpractice tort reform when Bush was governor sold the idea that malpractice suits drove up the cost of care and insurance without any support for the argument, and we have seen that that was never the case.

A catastrophic, high deductible, plan for my family now costs almost $3,000 per month. Hardly affordable.

As for malpractice suits, Texas (and most states that I know of) has always had a requirement that before a suit could be brought against a doctor or hospital, the plaintiff had to obtain and file a certificate signed by a doctor in the same area of practice that stated that the treating providers against whom the suit was brought did not follow the "standard of care" in providing the care that led to the injury.

Mojo31 12-05-21 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by Velo Vol (Post 22329514)
Don't forget greedy doctors/nurses.

Well doctors, like lawyers, need to be paid well. ;)

indyfabz 12-05-21 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets (Post 22329253)
I briefly tried to figure out whose tracks those were BITD. It may have been Delaware & Hudson, but I didn't have time to nail it down.

Looked up an one D&H system map. Think youíre right. Maryland is a bit SW of Cobbleskill. But with all the other lines in the area, the car could be from one of them. DL&W merged with Erie in 1960 to become the EL. Iím still think Erie or EL. D&H was blue and grey with yellow accents.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b533346da.jpeg

datlas 12-05-21 12:00 PM

We used to take the Eerie Lackawanna from Central (but West) NJ to Hoboken BITD. I liked the old fashioned seats/benches that had a pivoting back so you could face forward (or backwards if you preferred). I recall the seats were made of cane or wicker. My dad took that line as a commuter for years.

datlas 12-05-21 12:02 PM

Another week of riding in the bank. I wonder if I can stay on the podium.


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