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smontanaro 03-20-16 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 18622741)
Most of the old Raleigh forks have these shiny little decorative aluminum thimbles...kind of a trademark Raleigh thing, you won't see them anywhere else. The OA turned them black. A little wire cup brush on my Dremel cleaned them up, though.

Ah, thanks. "Turned them black" happens with certain steel alloys, I think. Certainly does when using vinegar as a rust remover.

bikemig 03-20-16 02:23 PM

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1969 Raleigh "Robin Hood:" this bike is a time capsule that looks like it came out of a showroom (other than for the beat up saddle which I need to replace). The Dunlop tires show no wear and the Lenton generator works nicely with a high and low beam. I need to overhaul it before starting to use it as my neighbhorhood bike:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510604http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510605http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510606http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510607

3speedslow 03-20-16 02:41 PM

^^ Does indeed look like a time capsule bike! Nice large frame too.

neighborhood will like seeing that peice of history come cruising by.

markk900 03-20-16 02:55 PM

Its incredible....but unless that saddle is not usable (ie failing) I wouldn't change it....it looks great to me.

Loose Chain 03-20-16 08:17 PM

Well, I got a period type rack I had in the garage installed. I wrapped the clamp with a bike tube to prevent damage to the paint. Started trying to get it operational.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pssj0ojj8c.jpg

I guess the pedals are in okay shape. Everything seems to work okay except I cannot seem to find first gear, it seems to be lost?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psc0mkbiyb.jpg

I need a period type saddle bag to fill that space back there. Brakes work fine, steel rims seem fairly true though I did order the recommended aluminum wheels. Is there a suitable spoke? These spoke seem to be okay but have a lot of oxidation on the galvanizing.

What are these really for, just a hood ornament I assume?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psuyelzuxk.jpg

It has a Wichita city bike license decal on the seat tube. Apparently from circa 1978, you can see it in the photo above, right lower seat tube. I wonder how to get that dried up thing off of there. I have my usual ideas but I am not sure if MPK/Toluene/Acetone/plastic scrapper/heat gun/etc. will attack this ancient paint. What kind of paint is this on these old bikes. Is it a two part paint or a single part lacquer?

I have this little dynamo light and I have the dynamo as well. But I am missing the attach clamp for the light itself. The outfit does work. I think it is period correct---? Hmm, a clamp, whatever shall I do?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psvln4bjqq.jpg

J

DQRider 03-20-16 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18623852)
What are these really for, just a hood ornament I assume?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psuyelzuxk.jpg

Nope, they are actually functional brackets. They fit the back of certain headlights, I know, but they may also work for some other accessories. Basket, maybe?

gster 03-20-16 09:41 PM


Originally Posted by bikemig (Post 18623123)
1969 Raleigh "Robin Hood:" this bike is a time capsule that looks like it came out of a showroom (other than for the beat up saddle which I need to replace). The Dunlop tires show no wear and the Lenton generator works nicely with a high and low beam. I need to overhaul it before starting to use it as my neighbhorhood bike:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510604http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510605http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510606http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510607

I'm a little bit jealous..

Velocivixen 03-20-16 11:02 PM

It's a head light bracket. Use Goof Off and your fingernail to get the sticker off - much less possibility to mar the paint.

Regarding first gear - you flick the trigger into "1", then try to pull on the indicator chain by hand to see if there is movement. Is there?

Sorry for asking, but are you familiar with how to set up shifting on a Sturmey Archer 3 speed hub?

By by the way it's gorgeous!

streets 03-21-16 07:12 AM

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http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510713http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510714


Just bought these two in need of restoration. One is single speed with rod brakes, the other is less complete but is 3 speed. They were listed as Raleigh but I'm unsure until I pick them up tomorrow and have a closer look. I will restore the complete one, the other might be used for parts for some of my other bikes or maybe I have enough parts to complete it and restore it as well.
Question for the pedal buffs out there. These pedals:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510716

Anyone know what they're called? Bit hard to tell from the pic but I seem to remember them being quite rare?

dweenk 03-21-16 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by streets (Post 18624479)
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510713http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510714


Just bought these two in need of restoration. One is single speed with rod brakes, the other is less complete but is 3 speed. They were listed as Raleigh but I'm unsure until I pick them up tomorrow and have a closer look. I will restore the complete one, the other might be used for parts for some of my other bikes or maybe I have enough parts to complete it and restore it as well.
Question for the pedal buffs out there. These pedals:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510716

Anyone know what they're called? Bit hard to tell from the pic but I seem to remember them being quite rare?

The first looks like a Raleigh Superbe. The second appears to be a DL-1.

arex 03-21-16 08:09 AM

Unless there's details of that Robin Hood's saddle we can't see from the photo, that saddle doesn't look bad at all. Well-used, sure, but that's okay.

bmthom.gis 03-21-16 09:05 AM

I finished the overhaul of mine Saturday night! Went the 11 miles into work on it this morning without a single problem. It's good to have her together again. No problems with the cotters loosening up on me. My only fight was a bit of a stiff headwind. I really love the Wald folding basket...as you can see, it fits a backpack just about perfectly (which helps to also hold a water bottle, bc I currently don't have a bottle cage!) Having finished the bottom bracket and front hub, as well as @noglider confirming to not do anything with the rear except periodically add oil gave me some good peace of mind. The headset was done about a month ago. Thanks all for the advice and guidance as it was needed! Hopefully she's good for another 35 years (though...I'll give her periodic maintenance as needed).

http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/...psogro1vjv.jpg

noglider 03-21-16 09:18 AM

That's pretty inspiring. You got me thinking maybe I should do something like for myself.

Velocivixen 03-21-16 09:31 AM

@bmthom.gis - wow I really like your bike especially the color! Fantastic.

bmthom.gis 03-21-16 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18624870)
@bmthom.gis - wow I really like your bike especially the color! Fantastic.

Thanks! I think Raleigh called it Emerald Green. I only wish I had the white on the rear fender, but i guess by '79 that was out of fashion.


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 18624832)
That's pretty inspiring. You got me thinking maybe I should do something like for myself.

Go treat yo'self!

DQRider 03-21-16 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by bmthom.gis (Post 18624794)
I finished the overhaul of mine Saturday night! Went the 11 miles into work on it this morning without a single problem. It's good to have her together again. No problems with the cotters loosening up on me. My only fight was a bit of a stiff headwind. I really love the Wald folding basket...as you can see, it fits a backpack just about perfectly (which helps to also hold a water bottle, bc I currently don't have a bottle cage!) Having finished the bottom bracket and front hub, as well as @noglider confirming to not do anything with the rear except periodically add oil gave me some good peace of mind. The headset was done about a month ago. Thanks all for the advice and guidance as it was needed! Hopefully she's good for another 35 years (though...I'll give her periodic maintenance as needed).

Yes, I agree - that is a proper preservation job. This is the first time I've seen that color scheme; is that black headtube and fork standard on this bike? Even if it isn't, I like it. Nice job! :thumb:

bmthom.gis 03-21-16 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by DQRider (Post 18624928)
Yes, I agree - that is a proper preservation job. This is the first time I've seen that color scheme; is that black headtube and fork standard on this bike? Even if it isn't, I like it. Nice job! :thumb:

Thanks! Oops, it's a '78, not a '79. I get my two Raleigh's mixed up all the time. I see the fork is a different color in the catalog, but I have no reason to not believe I have the original fork on it.

'The Headbadge' - Vintage bicycle information
http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/...psosjijh7q.jpg

browngw 03-21-16 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by bikemig (Post 18623123)
1969 Raleigh "Robin Hood:" this bike is a time capsule that looks like it came out of a showroom (other than for the beat up saddle which I need to replace). The Dunlop tires show no wear and the Lenton generator works nicely with a high and low beam. I need to overhaul it before starting to use it as my neighbhorhood bike:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510607

Looks great! Mine is a dropbar 1971 Robin Hood Sports, the only one I've seen this way. The saddle is a new B67. the Taiwan saddle on it was not likely original.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1446146314

bikemig 03-21-16 12:38 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 18625445)
Looks great! Mine is a dropbar 1971 Robin Hood Sports, the only one I've seen this way. The saddle is a new B67. the Taiwan saddle on it was not likely original.

http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...6&d=1446146314

That's a really bike with those white fenders. I've seen a few drop bar three speeds; they're neat bikes.

clubman 03-21-16 01:37 PM

Here's another club bike I've never seen before. A Royal Enfield, it appears to fall in the Lenton Sports/Humber Beeston/Rudge Pathfinder line. 531 straight gauge, 3 pin crank etc
I failed to get a date, in a hurry,
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-P...618_112025.jpg

Salubrious 03-21-16 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18620000)
Why would you ask? Looks about right to me?

If you mean I have the seat up and the bars down below the seat then that would be on purpose. I intend to flip the bars upside down as well to further drop me as it is too upright as it is set now. I am a performance cyclist, ex-racer, and still a triathlete. I do not like sitting upright with the bars up above the seat. I am 5-10, 86cm PBH, I typically set my saddles between 65cm and 70cm center of crank to crown of seat depending on bike, crank length, pedals and shoes. This one is currently set at 56cm. Has worked well for me for decades on all of my bicycles. By the time a saddle bag is added and a rack it will not look so naked back there ;).

But to be clear, I have another frame, I think this one is a 21 with a 22 inch tt in the photo and I have a black 23 frame in good shape, I had it powder coated but it has no decals or other pieces, just a bare frame.

I think I have the correct head (or close) lamp and dynamo but not sure where they mounted typically on these? Also a rack that I think was commonly used but I see no built in attach points now that I am looking at it for serious.


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18620568)
The question was not unreasonable, thus the ;), at the end of the paragraph, I was just not sure if he saw something I did not. I had a Dunalt as a teen and I used it through college, it was a 21. A 23 feels big to me but you guys are absolutely correct, as long as I stay on even ground and if I liked to sit more upright then a 23 would be possibly dandy :).

I would not use a sprung saddle. I have a Brooks B17N on my Surly Cross Check. I would probably go with a B17 but I did ask about saddles that is true. But in any case I would not get a sprung saddle.

The steel rims on the bike are in excellent condition and true as well. I would not trash them. I would either keep them to return the bike to original condition or I would make sure they got to an appreciative home.

I weighed my Surly CC (54cm, best bike ever :) ) for the first time in a long while with PB fenders, rack, Brooks saddle, head lamp, two tail lamps, bell and the saddle bag (sans tools and spare tube) and she weighed in ready to roll just under 29 pounds. Stripped it weighs 23 pounds if I recall. The Raleigh Sports, as in the photo weighs a tad over 34 pounds! It is a little chunk :).

I would possibly keep the Raleigh Sports in my work office and on nice days and use it for a lunch time ride a few blocks to a nearby coffee shop. I am much too far to bike commute, simply not practical given my position and occasional need to move about the various campuses during the day which are miles apart.

Anyways guys, thanks for the tips and any others you might have. I want to keep the bike in character but just make it more comfortable and practical for a short ride. And no I would never trash good pieces. Landfills are too full as it is without tossing perfectly nice rims in the garbage.

Is Sturmy Archer out of business yet again? Oh, I ordered four of the Sun rims last night. One set for this bike and another set for a Dunalt I am restoring (well, when I get to it) for my niece.

There's likely not much point to keeping the steel rims for later re-installation. I donate them to a local co-op and hope they get used. Or I take them to 3-speed events like the ABCE in Minneapolis and give them away. I've got Sun CR-18s with stainless spokes on my Superbe. The bike gets more use than my custom-framed stainless 953 road bike, simply due to the fact that its so darned handy for local rides- work, shopping, post office, bank, restaurants.

If you don't want a sprung saddle, think about a B-72. They were used on older version of your bike and the wider saddle is nice if you retain the upright riding position (over time I've replaced my seat post, stem, brake levers and bars with alloy). I use a set of Lyotard 460s in steel for pedals. I really recommend a rack for this machine- it looks better and makes the bike really handy especially with a couple of pannier bags.

The older shift and rear hubs seem to work better- a good Sturmey Archer AW hub will easily challenge a Campagnolo for free motion. Around here a 22T sprocket is handy as it makes the bike a lot more useful doing hills and the like. Being a Superbe, my bike also has lighting powered by a Dynohub and a locking front fork, which are both why this bike has become the one that I ride the most. I just lock the fork when I arrive at my destination and as long as its not overnight or something no-one messes with it. I recommend the Michelin tires if you are used to road machines. They take 85 pounds and so have a more responsive ride than the usual Kendas that are the usual go-to tire for this sort of bike.

You may find that the bike is so ridable that longer excursions are easy. That's what has happened with me.

Mike from Iowa 03-21-16 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by bikemig (Post 18623123)
1969 Raleigh "Robin Hood:" this bike is a time capsule that looks like it came out of a showroom (other than for the beat up saddle which I need to replace). The Dunlop tires show no wear and the Lenton generator works nicely with a high and low beam. I need to overhaul it before starting to use it as my neighbhorhood bike:

http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=510605

I LOVE The "Hall Bicycle Cedar Rapids" sticker!

michaelz28 03-21-16 05:17 PM


Originally Posted by Loose Chain (Post 18623852)
Well, I got a period type rack I had in the garage installed. I wrapped the clamp with a bike tube to prevent damage to the paint. Started trying to get it operational.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...pssj0ojj8c.jpg

I guess the pedals are in okay shape. Everything seems to work okay except I cannot seem to find first gear, it seems to be lost?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psc0mkbiyb.jpg

I need a period type saddle bag to fill that space back there. Brakes work fine, steel rims seem fairly true though I did order the recommended aluminum wheels. Is there a suitable spoke? These spoke seem to be okay but have a lot of oxidation on the galvanizing.

What are these really for, just a hood ornament I assume?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psuyelzuxk.jpg

It has a Wichita city bike license decal on the seat tube. Apparently from circa 1978, you can see it in the photo above, right lower seat tube. I wonder how to get that dried up thing off of there. I have my usual ideas but I am not sure if MPK/Toluene/Acetone/plastic scrapper/heat gun/etc. will attack this ancient paint. What kind of paint is this on these old bikes. Is it a two part paint or a single part lacquer?

I have this little dynamo light and I have the dynamo as well. But I am missing the attach clamp for the light itself. The outfit does work. I think it is period correct---? Hmm, a clamp, whatever shall I do?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...psvln4bjqq.jpg

J

my 28 mile 74 sports with headlight [IMG]http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...psufwlnkxg.jpg[/IMG]

michaelz28 03-21-16 05:22 PM

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driftlesscycles 03-21-16 06:13 PM

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I know this isn't exactly a 3 speed, but I figured this was the best thread for this. This is a Raleigh Sprite with a SA S5 hub stamped 69 on it. A guy who was tearing down a shed had this bike in it for the last thirty years and passed it along to me. It's dusty but the frame should clean up nicely. It looks like the pedals and the grips are not original. Does anybody know what the originals would have looked like and where to find vintage pedals and grips for this bike? Also, I don't seem to find too many different examples of this model when doing a google image search. Is there not much interest in the 5-speeeds or are they just uncommon?


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