Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 17781976)
I can't tell from your link. Try shortening it with http://goo.gl to take the special characters out. But if the BSD is listed as 590, then it will fit.
Here are individual links: Marathon Plus, 37-590, Black-Reflex, Wire | Schwalbe North America [Marathon Plus as 650 x 35A] and... Marathon, 37-590, Black-Reflex, Wire | Schwalbe North America [Marathon as 26 x 1 3/8] |
Another name for 26 x 1 3/8" is 650A. So I interpret the top one you mentioned at 650A & tire will be 35mm wide.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
(Post 17782302)
Another name for 26 x 1 3/8" is 650A. So I interpret the top one you mentioned at 650A & tire will be 35mm wide.
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650b is a different, slightly smaller size. There's a 650c also, which I believe is having a resurgence among Tri Athletes. You can do internet search & will explain. Look up Sheldon Brown - he provides an excellent description. I'm no expert, but I've built some 26 x 1 3/8" wheels lately so I know that much.
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Right, both of those tires will work. Velocivixen is right about 650A. Now, I could be wrong, but I believe 650C went out of style. Too bad, because it was good for short women. But this has nothing to do with three-speeds.
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
(Post 17782767)
650b is a different, slightly smaller size. There's a 650c also, which I believe is having a resurgence among Tri Athletes. You can do internet search & will explain. Look up Sheldon Brown - he provides an excellent description. I'm no expert, but I've built some 26 x 1 3/8" wheels lately so I know that much.
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Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17783051)
I admire your technical expertise and the fact that you don't "have a desk"; can you tell me which tools you have decided upon to do wheel building?
For the holidays I received a Bicycle Research Nipple Driver & some more sizes of spoke wrenches (Park & other brands). A friend gave me a home made tool of a bent spoke at one end & other end is used to hold nipple to thread it onto spoke when the spoke doesn't quite reach the hole. I took a 16 hour (over 3 days) wheel building class about 2 weeks ago. I asked for this for my birthday. The owner/instructor of Sugar Wheel Works uses the Schwinn technique for building wheels, where you put all the spokes in at once and go from there. I walked away from the class with 2 fantastic disc brake & dynamo wheels for my husband's birthday gift. |
All well and good. But you've yet to ask me about "having a desk"...
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Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17782350)
I consider myself schooled!
Thanks for the clarification. [and what is 650B?] Usually 26 x 1-3/8 means 650A. However, Schwinn had a size sometimes called "26 x 1-3/8" and sometimes also called "26 x 1-3/8 x 1-1/4" These Schwinn tires are actually a slightly different size than 650A and meant for a Schwinn S5 or S6 rim, not a Raleigh Sports/Superbe rim. However, these appear less commonly than the 650A tires. Be warned that you will see that Schwinn size sometimes called 26 x 1-3/8 as well, even though it's a different tire. Tire Sizing Systems |
Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17781830)
Nice!
Was this a 3-speed Sprite originally? My guess that not; as they are rare compared to the 5 & 10 speeds. |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 17782836)
Right, both of those tires will work. Velocivixen is right about 650A. Now, I could be wrong, but I believe 650C went out of style. Too bad, because it was good for short women. But this has nothing to do with three-speeds.
I've only seen a couple of the Terry bikes over the years, probably at my first and last RAGBRAI back in 2010. You'll see everything at RAGBRAI including penny-farthings, unicycles, and single speed Schwinns with coaster brakes. Best I can recall, they are nice bikes and go for a market that almost all other makers ignore. |
Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17782350)
I consider myself schooled! Thanks for the clarification. [and what is 650B?]
As for sorting out "26 inch" tire sizing, of course Sheldon Brown has something to say about it: 26 Inch Bicycle Tires And here's a great diagram from Wikipedia: File:Tyre and Rim Technical data 02-en.png - Wikimedia Commons http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...data_02-en.png |
Originally Posted by adventurepdx
(Post 17784739)
Ooh, I'm sure there's a bunch of people elsewhere on the internet that will school you so much on 650B, you'll practically have a PhD! ;)
As for sorting out "26 inch" tire sizing, of course Sheldon Brown has something to say about it: 26 Inch Bicycle Tires FWIW, 26 inches is 660 MM and assuming an average sidewall height of 30 MM above the rim's edge for lightweight bicycles it would put the Schwinn S6 at almost exactly 26". So, looking at the Wickedpedia chart, is one to assume that, in order to realize an OD of 26" the sidewalls on the 650C tires, with their 571 ETRTO, are taller than those on the 597, 590 and 584 ETRTO? Also, since the 590's are a 650B, it appears that the chart Schwalbe has showing the Marathon Plus as a "650" is incorrect as that should indicate a 597 ETRTO if that Wickedpedia chart is correct. |
Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 17783175)
These Schwinn tires are actually a slightly different size than 650A and meant for a Schwinn S5 or S6 rim, not a Raleigh Sports/Superbe rim. However, these appear less commonly than the 650A tires. Be warned that you will see that Schwinn size sometimes called 26 x 1-3/8 as well, even though it's a different tire. Tire Sizing Systems Didn't happen and I was pissed. The guy at Western Auto had unknowingly sold me a tire for the British rim size. Or, mighta been my bad by just grabbing the first one I saw that was marked 26 x 1 3/8. ETRTO? I don't need no stinkin' ETRTO! |
Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17785114)
So, looking at the Wikipedia chart, is one to assume that, in order to realize an OD of 26" the sidewalls on the 650C tires, with their 571 ETRTO, are taller than those on the 597, 590 and 584 ETRTO?
Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17785114)
Also, since the 590's are a 650B, it appears that the chart Schwalbe has showing the Marathon Plus as a "650" is incorrect as that should indicate a 597 ETRTO if that Wikipedia chart is correct.
Marathon Plus, 42-590, Black-Reflex, Wire | Schwalbe North America And looking at the Schwalbe page about the Marathon Plus (assuming that I'm looking at the same page as you), their sizing nomenclature is correct, as they call it either 42-590 (tire width first, wheel size last), or 650X40A. When they list the tire size this way, the letter comes after the width. Same with other sizes. If you had a 35 mm wide Marathon Plus in 700C, it would say 700x35C on the sidewall. And to note: that Marathon Plus may be the widest tire size for 590/650A/26" x 1 3/8", at least as wide as the Panaracer Col de la Vies! |
And while I'm thinking about it, who is going to Lake Pepin this year? I definitely am!
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One problem with tire sizes as they are often expressed, and as at least one of the above-cited articles says, is that they were sized by outer diameter of the tire. And only approximately. So for example, you have the 559 rim, the kind we see on mountain bikes. With a fat tire, the OD might approach 26". But with a skinny tire, it will be much less, and if you used a ruler on the rim, it would be around 24". It was a bad way to number the sizes.
If I recall correctly, ETRTO (European Tire and Rim Technical Organization) was subsumed by ISO (International Standards Organization). Yet we still refer to sizes as ETRTO sizes when we use the actual measurements in millimeters. |
I like that diagram. There's always the dreaded 599mm 26 inch size as well, seen usually on US-made lightweights and roadsters from the 1940s and earlier. They are rather uncommon compared to the others, but no one makes tires specifically for this size anymore. On some 599 rims you can slip a 597/Schwinn tire on and be OK. Sometimes the 597 won't go on though, depending on the rim's profile. These are usually abbreviated 26 x 1.375. The Sheldon site cites them, but does not mention that if you go down the path of 1.375/ISO599, you may not be able to actually get ANY tire for it.
Originally Posted by adventurepdx
(Post 17784739)
Ooh, I'm sure there's a bunch of people elsewhere on the internet that will school you so much on 650B, you'll practically have a PhD! ;)
As for sorting out "26 inch" tire sizing, of course Sheldon Brown has something to say about it: 26 Inch Bicycle Tires And here's a great diagram from Wikipedia: File:Tyre and Rim Technical data 02-en.png - Wikimedia Commons http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...data_02-en.png |
Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17783116)
All well and good. But you've yet to ask me about "having a desk"...
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Originally Posted by Velocivixen
(Post 17785549)
Ok. I'll bite. Tell me about having a desk. I did a quick search back on posts looking for something I may have responded involving desks. Auto spell is not always my friend.
Been waiting for that so's that I could pontificate and say thanks... Here we go... In life we humans can't avoid encountering the kind of people who can't and won't do jacksh*t but they invariably, as a crude prop for managing insecurity, assume the air of being "an expert" and they have to be put somewhere in order to keep them from fomenting trouble in the streets... You've met them; maybe, like me, even cursed them at times... Whether in the military, the local governmental agencies, schools, message boards, etc. you'll find this kind of bird populating the place and attempting to make life miserable for other people. Now this isn't to say that there aren't a LOT of people in the aforementioned venues who are jam-up individuals and who love the world and it's inhabitants and always try to do a good job. IOW, while they may work at a desk these folks don't "have a desk"! Does this make sense? Can you think of anyone who is afflicted with "having a desk"? Even here, at BF's? A Redneck Dad's Maxims for his beautiful daughters: 1. Don't bring anyone around here and introduce them as your date if they can't do their own brake jobs. 2. Associate with people who can do things and will. 3. Learn how to get what you want from people who have desks. BTW, I really, REALLY appreciate the precision, polish, and diligence you have demonstrated in your restoration endeavors as shared on this thread. You, my dear, DON'T have a desk! LOL! Caio! |
Originally Posted by desconhecido
(Post 17783281)
I just checked and Terry is still offering a bike with 650C wheels specially for small riders. Actually, it looks like the 650C wheels go on bikes from about 48 cm to about 54 cm. Smaller bikes get 700C rear and some sort of 24" front. Larger get 700C front and rear. Appear to be very nice bikes with Ultegra components. Frames are butted steel made by Waterford in Wisconsin.
I've only seen a couple of the Terry bikes over the years, probably at my first and last RAGBRAI back in 2010. You'll see everything at RAGBRAI including penny-farthings, unicycles, and single speed Schwinns with coaster brakes. Best I can recall, they are nice bikes and go for a market that almost all other makers ignore. I believe it is for smaller sized bicycles. I don't know the history behind how the 650c is having a resurgence among the triathlete crowd, but I'm sore information could be sourced for the curious minded. 650c Racing Corner Here is an article from cervelo.com answering the question regarding 650c tires. http://www.cervelo.com/en/engineerin...cyclists-.html |
Originally Posted by Velocivixen
(Post 17786151)
Here is an article from cervelo.com answering the question regarding 650c tires.
What is your opinion on 650c vs 700c for smaller cyclists? - Cervélo |
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Originally Posted by adventurepdx
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And while I'm thinking about it, who is going to Lake Pepin this year? I definitely am!
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Originally Posted by gster
(Post 17769509)
Very clever modification.
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Cool. See you there!
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And a couple of other things... Rims original? And do the wheels roll OK; those are mighty big tires on there; look like Schwalbe Big Apples from here... |
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Originally Posted by PalmettoUpstate
(Post 17792934)
The reflector would seem to date it from ~ 1963 to 1971 if what you have over there conforms, more or less, to what we have here in the usa. Is the reflector a recent aftermarket job, looks like it may be...
And a couple of other things... Rims original? And do the wheels roll OK; those are mighty big tires on there; look like Schwalbe Big Apples from here... http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450580http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450581http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450584http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450583http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=450582 |
I know I'm late to the thread, yet I've only joined the forum an hour ago. Back in 1959, as a six year old child, my parents got me a Raleigh 3 speed "English Racer". It had the SA internal gears with the "trigger"shifter and the seat stay mounted dynamo for the head and tail lights. It was a very nice bike that I rode until I out grew it. That bike gelled my aesthetics of what a bike should be. Hadn't thought of that bike in years and yet just last week, I bought a vintage T700 which is not exactly like, still the lines and vintage styling are what appeals to me.
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Originally Posted by Cascades T700
(Post 17794238)
That bike gelled my aesthetics of what a bike should be.
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