Wd40
I have a foam chain degreaser but I ran out and so I decreased my chain with WD40. Only thing is now I’m worried-is it possible the wd40 dropped down to the axles and messed up the bottom bracket and rear axle bearings/seals? Hope I didn’t mess it up.
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cool story.
yeah, WD-40 is a pretty good way to remove old gunk from things like chains. I would definitely remove the chain completely from the bike before using it though. be sure to get the chain really clean and put a proper chain lube on it afterwards. |
If you remove the chain for cleaning, you don't have to worry about solvents getting onto the bicycle and you can get a more thorough cleaning. There are many modern, master links for derailleur chains that provide a simple and easy way to break, remove and re-install a chain. Many replacement chains even come with them. Beware, there are some that cannot be reused and those that can usually have a limited number of times they can be reused. Still, the ones I use on my C&V bicycles work out to only about $0.50 for each use. In my opinion, that's good value and, in your case, is inexpensive peace of mind.
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I often degrease chains on the bike with WD40. A section at a time with a rag cupped under the section I'm working on. Never do I get solvent in the BB or hubs or on anything else. Not that a little would really hurt them though.
But yeah, totally neglected chains must be removed for cleaning... or just replaced. |
Another WD 40 thread.
Yep I clean and lube chain using WD 40. I leave chain on, use a rag as a back board catch, spray and wipe. Done. I've done this for years. It last about 300 miles. I will say that it's possible that the WD 40 will get in side your freewheel and remove the grease in there...so wipe good and spray only on chain. |
WD-40 isn’t a “degreaser”* since it is about 25% “grease” (oil, actually). You are really just replacing one “grease” with another one. If you really feel the need to use an aerosol degreaser, get something that doesn’t contain the “grease” you are trying to get rid of. Finish Line Speed Degreaser is WD-40 without the oil. Overspray doesn’t leave oil on everything when the solvent evaporates. But, man, that’s an expensive way to degrease...as is WD-40.
I would also second removing the chain and using mineral spirits rather than aerosols. You can get quick links for just about any size chain you want and although they often say for one use only, I’ve never had one break if it is used multiple times. Remove the chain, feed it into a 500 mL Gatorade bottle, close the lid, and shake for about 30 seconds. I time that by how long I can stand to shake it vigorously. Fish it out and let it dry. Letting it dry is the longest part of the procedure. Including drying time, it should take less than 20 minutes. As a plus, a cup of mineral spirits can easily clean up to a dozen chains. Keep the cleaning process simple. Avoid adding a whole bunch of unnecessary cleaning steps...like multiple water based cleaning, ultrasonic baths, multiple rinses, etc. It’s a chain. It’s cheap. Don’t treat it as if it were the most important part of the bike. *”Degreaser” is really a misnomer. You are actually “de-oiling” since you are removing oil rather than grease. |
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 21832122)
As a plus, a cup of mineral spirits can easily clean up to a dozen chains.
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To clean a chain I remove it from the bike and soak it in Kerosene over night. I then take it outside and blow it out with compressed air, then hang to dry. Before installing the chain, take time to floss the freewheel and clean the chain rings. I have been using the wax based lubricants on my chains and less build up on chain rings and freewheels .
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
(Post 21832099)
Another WD 40 thread.
Yep I clean and lube chain using WD 40. I leave chain on, use a rag as a back board catch, spray and wipe. Done. I've done this for years. It last about 300 miles. I will say that it's possible that the WD 40 will get in side your freewheel and remove the grease in there...so wipe good and spray only on chain. |
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Originally Posted by texaspandj
(Post 21832099)
Another WD 40 thread.
Yep I clean and lube chain using WD 40. I leave chain on, use a rag as a back board catch, spray and wipe. Done. I've done this for years. It last about 300 miles. I will say that it's possible that the WD 40 will get in side your freewheel and remove the grease in there...so wipe good and spray only on chain. |
Originally Posted by robertorolfo
(Post 21832130)
How do you dispose of your mineral spirits when finish with them?
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Originally Posted by Bicicletta89
(Post 21832163)
Oh damn. I ran the chain through the gears with wd40 to degrease the chain. That was an idiot move. Now the freewheel is way noisier. Do I need to redo all the ball bearings in the freewheel now!? Or can I just remove, clean, and re-oil it without taking out the bearings? Yikes!
The most I ever do for a freewheel is to blast it out with degreaser and then water (if it is completely unsealed), and then dry and re-oil it, and "whirl" out the excess oil outside using my arm rotation. Or I can lay it on a rag on it's end and come back the next day. Freewheel bearings won't wear out from some grit in there. The worst thing that happens to freewheels is when they get internal rust and then they are goners that are only good for salvaging cogs from. I don't clean chains, other than to wipe down thoroughly with terry cloth after lubing with a diluted ("watery") style of chain lube. I used to apply degreaser to chains from the left side after leaning the bike toward the right, so as to keep any dripping away from the critical bottom bracket and rear axle bearings, but since I don't rescue crapped-out chains any more this all is in the past. Hopefully, the good, cheap chains that we have been blessed with don't come into short supply like many other bike-related bits of late. Increasingly I am cautious not to empty out spray cans or end up having to pour away contaminated solvents. I use mechanical means to strip off stubborn deposits and then just the rag (maybe with a few drops of Finish Line Citrus Degreaser). The spray cleaners are expensive, and just blasting away is hugely wasteful plus environmentally unfriendly to the extreme. I recommend brushes and various metal scrapers (like a 6" machinist's rule or a screwdriver) to remove chain-path detritus before a final wipe-down using a rag or shop towel. Chains that are lubed and wiped periodically should see absolutely no buildup of grunge over time, as long as a thinned (solvent-diluted) type of chain lube is used. |
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Originally Posted by Bicicletta89
(Post 21832163)
Oh damn. I ran the chain through the gears with wd40 to degrease the chain. That was an idiot move. Now the freewheel is way noisier. Do I need to redo all the ball bearings in the freewheel now!? Or can I just remove, clean, and re-oil it without taking out the bearings? Yikes!
Actually no part of a freewheel moves under load. The pawls need some lube so they will snap back under spring force to fully engage the ratchet ring, else they will slip when you start to pedal. That’s it. Edit: the pawls can also stick open in the unengaged position if the lube is too stiff (too viscous, too cold, or dried out.). Resuscitating stuck-open pawls is the only circumstance where I would try to degrease a freewheel. I had to do this once, many winters ago. If your freewheel has an oil port hidden under the sprockets, use that to get light oil to the pawls. Otherwise, dribble oil into the top interface between rotor and Jstator while click-click-clicking it until dirty rusty oil leaks out the bottom interface. You can do this with the freewheel on the hub if you don’t have the removal tool but it’s messier. Let it drain overnight, then ride. The freewheels with oil ports typically have a seal between rotor and stator so this won’t work with them. Even if the freewheel sounds rough and noisy when you coast, this doesn’t impair it’s operation for transmitting drive force. Just don’t coast if it annoys you. But the oil you apply will likely quiet it some. Edit: all said better, and definitively, by dddd above. |
Originally Posted by Bicicletta89
(Post 21832163)
Oh damn. I ran the chain through the gears with wd40 to degrease the chain. That was an idiot move. Now the freewheel is way noisier. Do I need to redo all the ball bearings in the freewheel now!? Or can I just remove, clean, and re-oil it without taking out the bearings? Yikes!
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Maybe I am missing something (pretty likely) but if the OP sprayed WD40 on the chain and ran it through the gears, how did any WD40 get inside the freewheel? Unless soaked from behind its not clear to me that there is any issue (whether or not you agree with WD40 as a cleaner/chain lube). I would expect the majority (if not all) of the WD40 ended up on the floor, in a rag, or in the chain links but not in the freewheel body. Same idea with the bottom bracket.....getting WD40 on the outside of the BB and/or cups isn't the same as spraying WD40 into the BB....so again there should be little to no issue.
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Originally Posted by markk900
(Post 21832360)
Maybe I am missing something (pretty likely) but if the OP sprayed WD40 on the chain and ran it through the gears, how did any WD40 get inside the freewheel? Unless soaked from behind its not clear to me that there is any issue (whether or not you agree with WD40 as a cleaner/chain lube). I would expect the majority (if not all) of the WD40 ended up on the floor, in a rag, or in the chain links but not in the freewheel body. Same idea with the bottom bracket.....getting WD40 on the outside of the BB and/or cups isn't the same as spraying WD40 into the BB....so again there should be little to no issue.
learning about all this has made me realize that the freewheel is probably decades overdue for oiling anyway. I’m gonna get one of those tools to take it off the wheel so I can really clean, degrease and re-oil it. Seems like most common recommendation for that is Phil Wood Tenacious Oil with some folks partial to tri flow. Guessing either of those would be more appropriate than chain oil? |
In my experience the Phil Wood Tenacious Oil works well for freewheel lubrication.
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I guess making it a clear distinction between removing manufacturers lube vs cleaning (commonly referred to as degreasing) Chain.
For sure when removing manufacturers lube you need to use paint thinner or mineral spirits and completely remove the chain. The only good reason to do that is if you're going to use wax instead. However leaving the original manufacturers lube and cleaning the chain with wd-40 is a great way to clean the chain. Then lube it with what ever your preference is. After cleaning it with wd-40 I just leave it. As I posted earlier, it's Possible to get WD 40 in your freewheel it's not Probable. And only when spraying by the freewheel. |
I keep my chains clean and shiny. Kerosene is pretty awesome for chains and degreasing most stuff. I keep a jelly jar on the workbench with kerosene in it. To clean a chain, I pour some in my park chain cleaner and run the chain through it some. Then I wipe the shiny chain and chainwheel off with a paper towel and pour the kerosene back into the jelly jar. When I go to use the kerosene again, all the filth has settled to the bottom and the kerosene is relatively clear. I figure I get about 50-70,000 miles worth of clean bike parts from a gallon. Most of my chains are HG and while I sometimes have extra pins for 8,9 and 10 speed, I don't like taking a chain off the bike.
I use WD40 on my Hedge clippers and Tree saw before I put them away after use. |
The freewheel is relatively unhurt by WD40. The brake parts are a completely different story, though. Don't get oil on the pads or rim.
i.usually clean the chain with one of those Park devices. All the black stuff gets removed. Then apply Tri-Flow on the chain after. |
I've done just about every method of chain cleaning popular on these boards. I've done waxing and keeping spare chains all waxed and ready, but its a hassle any way you slice it. My favorite on-bike method is to wet the chain with some tri-flow or similar and terrycloth rag. Off-bike methods that I have employed range from petrol in a jar to an ultrasonic cleaner. I've tried all of the commercial chain lubes, but I have to say that my favorite right now is Mobil 1 ATF.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar
(Post 21832351)
Clean cogs and chains run noisier than dirtier ones. The build-up of oily dirt on the chain and cogs decreases the noise, by providing a soft layer than prevents direct metal on metal contact. It's highly unlikely that you got anything into the freewheel mechanism just by running the chain through the cogs. The noise is probably just the increased metal to metal contact of the clean chain and cogs. The noise decrease takes place so gradually over time that you don't notice the change, until you clean everything.
I've noticed that very gritty sound when I first ride after "cleaning" a chain, but I'm pretty sure it is just some of the remaining grit that now needs a mile or so of riding to get displaced away from the mating surfaces in and about the chain. Some of the grit also quickly breaks down to a size that can't be heard. I try not to let it bother me, after experiencing this for so many decades! Chains are designed to digest a decent amount of grit in their lifetimes while still lasting a very long time. |
Originally Posted by dddd
(Post 21832215)
Unless you ride in very wet conditions (in which case your freewheel should be a good sealed or shielded one like Dura-Ace, Sante or 600), there in no need for heavy lubrication inside.
Originally Posted by J.Higgins
(Post 21832652)
I've tried all of the commercial chain lubes, but I have to say that my favorite right now is Mobil 1 ATF.
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo
(Post 21832722)
I agree, although I just used a fairly generous amount of grease on some used Zonda wheels I picked up (yes, I know, freehub vs freewheel) and it nearly silenced them completely while coasting. I'm really happy with it.
Interesting, but how is the smell? I use Mobil 1 ATF for my car, and the smell is just awful to me. |
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