Bike Forums

Bike Forums (https://www.bikeforums.net/forum.php)
-   Classic & Vintage (https://www.bikeforums.net/forumdisplay.php?f=181)
-   -   For the love of English 3 speeds... (https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?t=623699)

3alarmer 10-15-17 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19931714)
My one experiment with only crimping this brass tubing failed. It's not as strong as the steel tubing SA used for their crimped cables. Which was the problem with them really. Many times the heavier steel and deep crimps would jam in the shifter and bind up in the adjuster barrel. I have been using JB Weld and a single light crimp on this brass tubing for a few years now and none have failed. It's just as strong as silver braze.

...the wire leader crimps they sell at fishing supply outlets and larger sporting goods stores work very well for cable crimps and come in a number of size diameters. I've been using the smallest ones for derailleur cables and a size up from that for brake cables, crimping them with an old Bell Telephone service crimper (there are a ton of them available online on e-bay in a couple of sizes, because nobody uses the for much any more, and they were in the bag of every home phone service guy who worked for the phone company for 40 years.)

You can also use them to reconstruct SA 3 speed cables with new housing and cable using the original trigger and threaded barrel if you're interested in all original.

nlerner 10-15-17 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 19931800)
...the wire leader crimps they sell at fishing supply outlets and larger sporting goods stores work very well for cable crimps and come in a number of size diameters. I've been using the smallest ones for derailleur cables and a size up from that for brake cables, crimping them with an old Bell Telephone service crimper (there are a ton of them available online on e-bay in a couple of sizes, because nobody uses the for much any more, and they were in the bag of every home phone service guy who worked for the phone company for 40 years.)

You can also use them to reconstruct SA 3 speed cables with new housing and cable using the original trigger and threaded barrel if you're interested in all original.

That's the approach that I've been taking after reading about it on BF (perhaps from @rhm). Here are the leaders (size A3):

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4467/...0fa562e4_c.jpg

And the Bell Systems crimper:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4514/...c57a3ecb_c.jpg

I crimp several times using the smaller opening, making sure the lead is narrow enough to fit in a trigger opening and/or a barrel end. No slippage yet.

BigChief 10-15-17 08:07 PM

I haven't tried these, but even with the 3/32 brass tubing, if I crimp too hard, they will bind in the adjuster barrel. I want that barrel to spin freely so it can adjust without twisting the cable. I used to silver braze shifter cable like I still do with the ball end 60s type Raleigh brakes, but I've found the JB Weld to be totally reliable for shifters.

johnnyspaghetti 10-15-17 10:27 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19931016)
I've been having fun tracking down these small details on old Raleighs. I guess I'm a historian by nature. I have to make a correction. I just saw a 1950 catalog I missed at VCC library. It clearly shows brazed on guide wheel lugs. I don't see a 48 catalog, so for now I'll say Raleigh used them from 1950-1961 by catalog and hub date reckoning. So far, I have the gravestone shaped top tube lug pegged at 1955-1957 and now I know that the bullet shaped fork dropout joint started sometime around 1963.
So here's another feature question. This stem has a different shape than the ones I'm used to seeing. It's necked down to the clamp, stamped with "patent number" instead of Sir Walter and somebody took the time to grind the joint smooth at the back. A bit less boxy and more elegant than the later versions I think. I've never had a Raleigh with this style stem. If anybody here has one, I'd love to know the hub date. Thanks

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4476/...e05218a1_z.jpgstem01 by Billy Bones, on Flickr

This is the lower rear fender mount & fastener on a 1960 DL22 & DL22L. This pair of bikes also have a steel spring loaded dust cap on the oil port on sprocket side the BB. The 1962 has the push in tethered plastic cap. The 1962 lower fender has the snap in spring clip. Nuts & bolts are always more fun & don't mar up the paint.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...1728-local0&zw
https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...1728-local2&zw

johnnyspaghetti 10-15-17 11:18 PM

This handlebar neck is off of a 1969 DL24 Superbe. Its a bad angle to see very well but it is different & tapers and has more contour than the one you have pictured. It's marking of Sir Walter is stamped down the stem below the top lock nut on the head set out of sight. I'll get a better picture to edit in. It has excellent chrome finishing quality after clean up. It angles the bar clamp up just a bit, or it appears to. It Probably is a casting.

SirMike1983 posted this link earlier in the thread on a 70ish Sprite 5-speed you probably are already aware of. This is a better pic of the same neck I pictured here.
https://bikeshedva.blogspot.com/2017/10/side-by-side-1958-raleigh-sports-and.html

I acquired this bent frame 69 Superbe with all the bells & whistles mostly dissassembled Dyna equipped all original except fo maybe the Dunlaps that died or old age but could have been orginal I don't know. The chrome stem tubes w/caps held air.
I think Raleigh obviously made parts fancier & more standard features for the senior models in the lineup.


https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...safe&zwhttp://

Scipunk 10-16-17 02:15 AM


Originally Posted by PilotFishBob (Post 19931784)
Oh do! Please do! ;)

Oh I will no worries :) the planning has begun!
Toughest part is keeping it functional and safe. Should be a fun adventure!

BigChief 10-16-17 06:12 AM

I really like the contoured Sprite stems of the late 60s. Didn't know they used them on Superbes too. Very elegant stem and it's true that even if some things got cheaper, Raleighs had excellent chrome all the way to the end. Too bad they're so rare. You would think all the deluxe models would get them. This stem is older. Not sure how much older. The brake lever on the right is stamped patent too. I'm collecting parts for a project I have in mind. Not sure how historically accurate it will be in the end, but my plan is to recreate a shiny new early post war Sports. This has replaced my previous daydream of building an old fashioned club bike out of a chro-mo framed road bike. I'm at the age now where a more sedate roadster suites me better.
Notice how the braze is filled and ground off at the joint. Nice work. They didn't bother with this step on the later stems.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4449/...ebc6c03f_b.jpgstem02 by Billy Bones, on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4501/...dd1ff0f4_b.jpgbrake01 by Billy Bones, on Flickr

plympton 10-16-17 12:35 PM

Back for a little more help. Yesterday I was able to put in a day on the early 50's Raleigh restoration. The frame, front fender and chain guard are stripped, cleaned and ready. Now I am moving on to the rims. The two rims on this bike are Sturmey Archer (the rims on the 49 are Raleigh) I thought that they were supposed to be Westbrook. So I'm thinking, clean the rims with Coke, soap and water then Oxylic acid (wish I had a 30" round tube) the clean water and dry. Then the buffing wheel, right? So what about the spokes and spoke nuts, just clean and steel wool? What about the axles? I will take them apart and service but should they go in the acid too? I have other parts, like rod brakes and crank and stuff for the acid but I won't be getting to those now. How long can the acid stand?

BigChief 10-16-17 01:25 PM

Westrick is a nickname for this rim pattern. Raleigh designed it so it could be used with either rod or caliper brakes. The official name was special design rims. So, it combines Westwood and Endrick. Sturmey Archer was owned by Raleigh.

plympton 10-16-17 05:17 PM

Seems like I have one of those computers that can't spell.

Scipunk 10-16-17 05:38 PM

Got a nice little package from @clubman :
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4484/...b3249d1d_b.jpgInspection axle but 64 Raleigh Sports by David Ashe, on Flickr

Not sure what the o-rings are for though :)

clubman 10-16-17 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19933867)
Got a nice little package from @clubman :
Inspection axle but 64 Raleigh Sports by David Ashe, on Flickr

Not sure what the o-rings are for though :)

I can't believe they got in there. I need them for this.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/Ib...=w1185-h888-no

johnnyspaghetti 10-16-17 11:16 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19933867)
Got a nice little package from @clubman :Inspection axle but 64 Raleigh Sports by David Ashe, on Flickr

Not sure what the o-rings are for though :)

Your Rakeigh probably had one of this type chain guide originally

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...1600-local0&zw

bazil4696 10-17-17 08:23 AM

1 Attachment(s)
You steampunkers need these cable pulleys I make

SirMike1983 10-17-17 08:28 AM

Use WD40 or similar with a brass brush and bronze or copper wool on the rims if still laced. Oxalic axid may dissolve the rust-resistant coating on older spokes.

3speedslow 10-17-17 08:32 AM

Old duck here, what's steampunk?

clubman 10-17-17 09:51 AM

Ever see Terry Gilliam's Brazil? Pseudo Victorian/Industrial age fashion movement, usually featuring leather, brass, tattoos with scientific overtones. Google away.

plympton 10-17-17 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19934793)
Use WD40 or similar with a brass brush and bronze or copper wool on the rims if still laced. Oxalic axid may dissolve the rust-resistant coating on older spokes.

Thanks. I am taking the spokes off today. Need to find a toddlers swimming pool to soak the rims in. Only 100% chrome in oxylic acid, I think. Hubs, crank, arms, pedals, rod brake parts, handle bars, fork race parts, etc. Not the spokes but what about the spoke nuts are they chrome?

dweenk 10-17-17 11:07 AM

DL-1 for $125
 
1 Attachment(s)
Poor photos, but it looks clean. Not too far from Baltimore/Annapolis/Southern PA. Someone stop me from buying this.

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/...348636397.html

Scipunk 10-17-17 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 19934784)
You steampunkers need these cable pulleys I make

Yes... yes i do! PM me the info please :D

dweenk 10-17-17 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19935114)
Poor photos, but it looks clean. Not too far from Baltimore/Annapolis/Southern PA. Someone stop me from buying this.

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/...348636397.html

I caved and called the seller. He already had a potential buyer, so I'll have another chance or not on Thursday.

squirtdad 10-17-17 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by bazil4696 (Post 19934784)
You steampunkers need these cable pulleys I make

that is very nice

squirtdad 10-17-17 02:27 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19934804)
Old duck here, what's steampunk?

steamĚpunk

a genre of science fiction that has a historical setting and typically features steam-powered machinery rather than advanced technology.

a style of design and fashion that combines historical elements with anachronistic technological features inspired by science fiction.
"the essence of steampunk is homage to vintage fashion with a modern, sassy twist"

you see steampunk at thinks like the Make Faire

think lots of victorian brass filagree and details, carbide lamps, etc

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com...7e6c3a483f.jpg


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SX...srtgdsfgbd.jpg

BigChief 10-17-17 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19935114)
Poor photos, but it looks clean. Not too far from Baltimore/Annapolis/Southern PA. Someone stop me from buying this.

https://easternshore.craigslist.org/...348636397.html

This looks like the 22" frame. Nice roadster. I would have never guessed I would become so fond of these bikes, but most of the miles I ride these days are on my DL1

3speedslow 10-17-17 06:10 PM

3 Attachment(s)
Does anyone know what brake end lead shape these use? I have these which fit but want to know what originally were used.


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:41 PM.


Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.