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Ballenxj 04-04-19 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20869241)
I could be wrong....
This Tourist had caged bearings. But I doubt it came from the
factory that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebo4DOK4MVc

Just watched this and I can't believe that he re assembled the BB
with the plastic cages....

I too was surprised at it's having plastic cages, so either the BB has been rebuilt before, or they came that way from the factory? FWIW, I don't think the plastic cages will hurt anything, as they only keep the bearings in place, and don't support any weight?

gster 04-04-19 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20869283)
I too was surprised at it's having plastic cages, so either the BB has been rebuilt before, or they came that way from the factory? FWIW, I don't think the plastic cages will hurt anything, as they only keep the bearings in place, and don't support any weight?

Caged bearings were a way to save money.
Fewer bearings, 7 vs 11 (even thought bearings cost nothing),
and quicker assembly time.

Ballenxj 04-04-19 09:25 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20869299)
Caged bearings were a way to save money.
Fewer bearings, 7 vs 11 (even thought bearings cost nothing),
and quicker assembly time.

I'll buy the quicker assembly time. About the plastic cages though, it would seem they substituted a small cost for the larger one of having the cages?

BigChief 04-04-19 10:33 AM

Raleigh made some, let's just say poorly though out cost saving changes over the years. Plastic bearing cages in the BB was one of them. There's a lot of stress on the BB. I think it's important to use the original 22 loose in there. One thing I do is replace them all with fresh grade 25 bearings. I know it's nothing you would ever notice while riding, but when I rebuild a BB, I like the silky smooth feel I get when I spin the crank after I'm done. Using the old bearings, even though they look perfect sometimes leaves a slight grittyness.

gster 04-04-19 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20869436)
Raleigh made some, let's just say poorly though out cost saving changes over the years. Plastic bearing cages in the BB was one of them. There's a lot of stress on the BB. I think it's important to use the original 22 loose in there. One thing I do is replace them all with fresh grade 25 bearings. I know it's nothing you would ever notice while riding, but when I rebuild a BB, I like the silky smooth feel I get when I spin the crank after I'm done. Using the old bearings, even though they look perfect sometimes leaves a slight grittyness.

Hey BC!
Haven't heard from you in a while...
Good advice.

JohnDThompson 04-04-19 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20869143)
Sounds like some bad maintenance in the past.
As far as I know, Raleigh never used caged bearings.

Sure they did. They even used caged balls in their front Dynohub.

Salubrious 04-04-19 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 20868650)

@Salubrious, the axle nuts are made of soft material so that they will strip easily. This is by design so that you won't strip the axle, because replacing the axle is a big-ish job.

If I had thought about it I might have sorted that out. But the older school indicator nut has more threads so I have to assume its a lot harder to strip!

BigChief 04-04-19 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20869485)
Hey BC!
Haven't heard from you in a while...
Good advice.

I've been on the road. Back home finally and catching up here. The Herc is looking very good!

Ged117 04-04-19 12:33 PM

Hi everyone,

I've been taking apart this '79 Sports to harvest it for parts. I've got the fenders (in surprisingly excellent shape, though not as nicely made as my '50 Superbe ones) a number of clips, the brake components, and I plan on taking the AW out of the rear wheel. Is there anything else I should take? The headset maybe and handlebars? What do you think?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...103a2fba7b.jpg

gster 04-04-19 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20869666)
Hi everyone,

I've been taking apart this '79 Sports to harvest it for parts. I've got the fenders (in surprisingly excellent shape, though not as nicely made as my '50 Superbe ones) a number of clips, the brake components, and I plan on taking the AW out of the rear wheel. Is there anything else I should take? The headset maybe and handlebars? What do you think?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...103a2fba7b.jpg

Those stems are nice for a scorcher build.
You can move the bars forward a couple of inches.
Remember, everything on a Raleigh is proprietary and may be
useful in the future.
I would even keep the brake cable housings.
The cranks/chainring look good as well
The spindle and cups etc.

gster 04-04-19 02:24 PM

Hercules Chain Ring
For the sake of moving forward on this project
I'm going to substitute an newer generic crank set.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0d42e9a390.jpg
The originals, although they clean up well are still pretty rough.
The non drive crank also appears to be a replacement as the finish is different.
My pedal wrench is not thin enough to get the pedals off either.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b935e4529a.jpg

So for the time being I'll install this one.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a56402a6e9.jpg

3speedslow 04-04-19 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20869666)
Hi everyone,

I've been taking apart this '79 Sports to harvest it for parts. I've got the fenders (in surprisingly excellent shape, though not as nicely made as my '50 Superbe ones) a number of clips, the brake components, and I plan on taking the AW out of the rear wheel. Is there anything else I should take? The headset maybe and handlebars? What do you think?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...103a2fba7b.jpg

If you think the hub might need repair or servicing, loosen the drive side lock ring with the proper tool or punch and hammer.

dweenk 04-04-19 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20869666)
Hi everyone,

I've been taking apart this '79 Sports to harvest it for parts. I've got the fenders (in surprisingly excellent shape, though not as nicely made as my '50 Superbe ones) a number of clips, the brake components, and I plan on taking the AW out of the rear wheel. Is there anything else I should take? The headset maybe and handlebars? What do you think?

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...103a2fba7b.jpg

I would save everything, except tires, and take the frame to a coop.

BigChief 04-04-19 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20869723)
Those stems are nice for a scorcher build.
You can move the bars forward a couple of inches.
Remember, everything on a Raleigh is proprietary and may be
useful in the future.
I would even keep the brake cable housings.
The cranks/chainring look good as well
The spindle and cups etc.

Funny thing about this bike. This later Sports should have a second rear fender stay. It doesn't. That's good since it could be used on a much older Sports project. And the chainguard. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like it may be the older style 2 point type. That would be very handy to have around since it's in such good shape. Wonder why this 70s Sports would have older parts.

clubman 04-04-19 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20869914)
Funny thing about this bike. This later Sports should have a second rear fender stay. It doesn't. That's good since it could be used on a much older Sports project. And the chainguard. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like it may be the older style 2 point type. That would be very handy to have around since it's in such good shape. Wonder why this 70s Sports would have older parts.

It seems there's so many discrepancies with these later bikes to accurately date them This might be a Canadian model, judging by the alloy stem; 80's models even had alloy cranks. Terrible chrome of course. I thought 2 point chainguards were ubiquitous in this timeframe.
2 cents worth of opinion.
I've got a half dozen older chainguards in the stash if anyone needs one for the cost of shipping.

Ged117 04-04-19 04:45 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20869914)
Funny thing about this bike. This later Sports should have a second rear fender stay. It doesn't. That's good since it could be used on a much older Sports project. And the chainguard. I can't tell for sure, but it looks like it may be the older style 2 point type. That would be very handy to have around since it's in such good shape. Wonder why this 70s Sports would have older parts.

The bike has worked out well for me and it was a free derelict I found downtown. I can confirm its Canadian as the frame stamp starts with R. I plan to service the AW and keep it for future endeavours, but also as a learning experience before I service my 1953 FW and install it on my Peugeot AO8 commuter.
I think I will keep everything but the frame and take it to Yellow Bike, a bike coop here. I agree that the bottom bracket could come in handy someday so I'll use my soon to arrive cotter press to get at it properly. It was a timely arrival for sure, now I can finish up the '50.

paulb_in_bkln 04-04-19 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20868315)

I wish I could flip the bars on my Rudge because that looks so cool, but then they'd be too low (small frame). I could get a longer stem but that seems like idiocy. Anyway yours looks real good.

paulb_in_bkln 04-04-19 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20869436)
Raleigh made some, let's just say poorly though out cost saving changes over the years. Plastic bearing cages in the BB was one of them. There's a lot of stress on the BB. I think it's important to use the original 22 loose in there. One thing I do is replace them all with fresh grade 25 bearings. I know it's nothing you would ever notice while riding, but when I rebuild a BB, I like the silky smooth feel I get when I spin the crank after I'm done. Using the old bearings, even though they look perfect sometimes leaves a slight grittyness.

Big Chief if I could have put the BB together without looking I would have averted my eyes at what I was doing. I'll make it right eventually with new ball bearings and good spindle, and somewhere I'll find a good fixed cup, too.

BigChief 04-04-19 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20870019)
I wish I could flip the bars on my Rudge because that looks so cool, but then they'd be too low (small frame). I could get a longer stem but that seems like idiocy. Anyway yours looks real good.

Yeah, a proper scorcher should have flipped bars. My scorcher would look so much better that way, but it's still a mean machine. These days I have ride sit up and beg style if I want to last any longer then a half hour. Darn arthritis. But, I'm grateful that I can still enjoy riding.

3speedslow 04-04-19 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20870019)
I wish I could flip the bars on my Rudge because that looks so cool, but then they'd be too low (small frame). I could get a longer stem but that seems like idiocy. Anyway yours looks real good.

Thanks! This is a 21 frame so for me, perfect for a lean forward rider. I felt too tall on it when I had the bars upright. I believe Raleigh had a 2 rule for insertion min. You would be surprised what some of their stem models will give you in height. Worth a try.

i would love to find a Rudge Sport! Rare around here. I felt lucky finding an early 60s Rudge 10 speed which I am converting into a 3 speed clubman.

its going to be good cruising this summer on the Scorcher Deluxe but its got serious competition already from my Raleigh 20.

3speedslow 04-04-19 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20870050)
Yeah, a proper scorcher should have flipped bars. My scorcher would look so much better that way, but it's still a mean machine. These days I have ride sit up and beg style if I want to last any longer then a half hour. Darn arthritis. But, I'm grateful that I can still enjoy riding.

Amen, Brother!

paulb_in_bkln 04-04-19 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20870055)


Thanks! This is a 21 frame so for me, perfect for a lean forward rider. I felt too tall on it when I had the bars upright. I believe Raleigh had a 2 rule for insertion min. You would be surprised what some of their stem models will give you in height. Worth a try.

i would love to find a Rudge Sport! Rare around here. I felt lucky finding an early 60s Rudge 10 speed which I am converting into a 3 speed clubman.

its going to be good cruising this summer on the Scorcher Deluxe but its got serious competition already from my Raleigh 20.

BTW what are those tires?

3speedslow 04-04-19 05:56 PM

They are by Specialized. The shop around here carries them in stock. Can’t remember the name right now, thinking. They are the same diameter as the SA/ Raleigh rims use. One thing, when they are pressured up, the front mudguard needs to be spread in front.

Edit: Roadsport

paulb_in_bkln 04-04-19 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20870117)
They are by Specialized. The shop around here carries them in stock. Cant remember the name right now, thinking. They are the same diameter as the SA/ Raleigh rims use. One thing, when they are pressured up, the front mudguard needs to be spread in front.

Edit: Roadsport

Thanks. Thinking about shoes for the project bike I've just gotten back on the road. It's not quite finished, but at least I'm riding it. Might as well show a picture. It's on-topic here because AW hub. Was a street-find derelict Peugeot UE18 ('73? thereabouts). Someone parked it next to a wall that was being repointed so it and all its parts were covered with splashes of hardened mortar. The nice amenities like the fenders and original rack are horrible even though the fenders are stainless steel. A rear-tire generator was on it, too but I don't know if it's factory. Factory rear wheel, freewheel, derailleur long gone. Cranks/chainring also terrible. The front Normandy hub was there. I wanted a lighter bike anyway so after failing to find the right cotterless spindle I installed a VO cartridge BB. Got some inexpensive vintage-look cranks off eBay. CR18 rims, an AW hub ('73), a new Sunlite steel stem and alloy handlebars and crusty shifter I took off another derelict. Cleaned up the Mafac Racers. Sort of a mongrel but it's been a pleasure the short rides I've taken. I'm happy happy happy.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2bbbe0d000.jpg

BigChief 04-04-19 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20870170)
Thanks. Thinking about shoes for the project bike I've just gotten back on the road. It's not quite finished, but at least I'm riding it. Might as well show a picture. It's on-topic here because AW hub. Was a street-find derelict Peugeot UE18 ('73? thereabouts). Someone parked it next to a wall that was being repointed so it and all its parts were covered with splashes of hardened mortar. The nice amenities like the fenders and original rack are horrible even though the fenders are stainless steel. A rear-tire generator was on it, too but I don't know if it's factory. Factory rear wheel, freewheel, derailleur long gone. Cranks/chainring also terrible. The front Normandy hub was there. I wanted a lighter bike anyway so after failing to find the right cotterless spindle I installed a VO cartridge BB. Got some inexpensive vintage-look cranks off eBay. CR18 rims, an AW hub ('73), a new Sunlite steel stem and alloy handlebars and crusty shifter I took off another derelict. Cleaned up the Mafac Racers. Sort of a mongrel but it's been a pleasure the short rides I've taken. I'm happy happy happy.https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2bbbe0d000.jpg

That looks like a fun bike. Nice job. Those Sunlite stems are great aren't they? Long legs...short frame...no problem :thumb:


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