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Originally Posted by gster
(Post 22165702)
Yes...
Most of us here on thread are not as young as we once were..... The addition of 2 or 3 teeth on the rear cog makes a big difference. I just wanted to go faster. So i remain with my 21 |
Originally Posted by ConnoisseurEqua
(Post 22176237)
I have 3 Raleighs and A Hercules. I never had a problem with any cable getting in my feet. The gear cable is protected. Therefore it does not tend to rust.
One of the Raleigh have that upper way and is totally open to the weather conditions, The pulley is rusted. Part of its restoration to come. [Still cant post pics.Frustrating] Don't be frustrated by the 10 posts. It's necessary and will be over in a jiffy. |
Originally Posted by ConnoisseurEqua
(Post 22176244)
Amusingly, I tried to fit a smaller cog from 21 to 17, The dropout did not allow me to do it, even after removing a link.
I just wanted to go faster. So i remain with my 21 How old are you? ;) |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 22176268)
There should be no issues with a 17 or 18 tooth cog on an SA hub. You really need that big of a gear?
How old are you? ;) I use my 3 speed most days. No rain for me nor my bikes. We dont like it much. I did fit one but it was to long for the dropout. I find it too easy on the flat. Cant pedal faster than I already do. |
Thanks for everyone's help to get my Western Flyer on the road. Today's coffee shop ride was a success, other than a few jumps out of second gear. I guess I've still some tweaking to do to the shifter and cable.
The coffee shop sits adjacent to a bike shop. The guy working there, who is a huge vintage fan, sat on the ground next to Mocha (the nameplate hanging from the saddle of the Western Flyer) and checked it out up close. He really liked it! Someday, at 10 posts, you'll see it. |
^^Thats a great shop bike mechanic to have!
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Over the past few weeks, I've been reviving this 1949-50 Schwinn Superior three speed. It is a bit of an oddity - an electroforged frame with a seamless and brazed bottom bracket housing Schwinn-branded cottered cranks. The color is an interesting, medium green. Schwinn copied English design by adding a white tip to the rear fender. The frame itself appears very similar to a New World, but with more embellishment and that cottered bottom bracket. The project is disassembled right now and being cleaned for re-assembly. It has the old-style built-in kickstand that uses a spring and pin system. Brake calipers are the old, steel "Schwinn Built" ones, and it has the "Schwinn" script brake levers.
It came to me missing its wheels. I was lucky enough to have a helpful seller locate and sell to me a set of 1949 Schwinn stainless steel S6 wheels. The stainless S6 set was a real upgrade over the standard chrome steel S6. The AW hub is dated 1-49. Front hub is a Schwinn script hourglass type. Overall this is an interesting bike, and an interesting example of a Schwinn 3-speed that got sandwiched in above the New World base model and below the fillet brazed Cr-Mo Continental (not to be confused with the later, 10-speed electroforged Continental) of that era. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a6SjA46vA...808_162607.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FSjKUyx4u...808_134241.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-hQeDziaop...808_140415.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Nr5k8rRjf...808_162548.jpg |
@SirMike1983, that is an interesting bike, indeed. It is too bad we don't see more of these '40s Schwinn three speeds.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 22177008)
Over the past few weeks, I've been reviving this 1949-50 Schwinn Superior three speed. It is a bit of an oddity - an electroforged frame with a seamless and brazed bottom bracket housing Schwinn-branded cottered cranks. The color is an interesting, medium green. Schwinn copied English design by adding a white tip to the rear fender. The frame itself appears very similar to a New World, but with more embellishment and that cottered bottom bracket. The project is disassembled right now and being cleaned for re-assembly. It has the old-style built-in kickstand that uses a spring and pin system. Brake calipers are the old, steel "Schwinn Built" ones, and it has the "Schwinn" script brake levers.
It came to me missing its wheels. I was lucky enough to have a helpful seller locate and sell to me a set of 1949 Schwinn stainless steel S6 wheels. The stainless S6 set was a real upgrade over the standard chrome steel S6. The AW hub is dated 1-49. Front hub is a Schwinn script hourglass type. Overall this is an interesting bike, and an interesting example of a Schwinn 3-speed that got sandwiched in above the New World base model and below the fillet brazed Cr-Mo Continental (not to be confused with the later, 10-speed electroforged Continental) of that era. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FSjKUyx4u...808_134241.jpg |
Originally Posted by Salubrious
(Post 22177197)
Looks fillet-brazed to me. Doesn't have the usual pointy seat stays, but otherwise the joints don't look electroforged.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 22177008)
Over the past few weeks, I've been reviving this 1949-50 Schwinn Superior three speed.
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-a6SjA46vA...808_162607.jpg Mine: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ccb6c109_z.jpg Edit: Looks like Mike's is older than mine. |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 22171562)
I remember the good old days when this thread wasn’t 90% talk of buying and selling and 10% talk of actual bikes.
Anyways, here's a pic of my Superbe at the beach here in Portland, on a day it hit 108F: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...af346cb6_z.jpg |
Originally Posted by Salubrious
(Post 22177197)
Looks fillet-brazed to me. Doesn't have the usual pointy seat stays, but otherwise the joints don't look electroforged.
Originally Posted by BFisher
(Post 22177213)
Check out the dropout to stay connection. EF for sure. Combo construction methods.
Originally Posted by adventurepdx
(Post 22177222)
Shout-out to the old blue Connecticut license plate in the workshed!
Mine: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ccb6c109_z.jpg Edit: Looks like Mike's is older than mine. |
Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 22177253)
It might well be. My folks don't throw anything away that has any value. I think it's a 1980s or, at the latest, 90s era plate. It was on my mother's station wagon for many years. They phased them out with the "safety" plates, which are not nearly as attractive. My brother's old 1980s era Massachusetts plate is back there somewhere too. And somewhere in the basement is the 1950-51 plate from my grandfather's old dump truck.
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A few months back I passed up the chance at a Superior just like that one. The ask was more than I was willing to pay, though not totally unreasonable. Nice to see this one show up here. Nice color and graphics.
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Progress.....
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c253f63921.jpg The Sports is back together somewhat... Still needs some detail work. Too small for me but I'll get a longer seat post. I've had a few 21" frames and do find them good city bikes. They can be quite nimble. Total cost to date: Frame @ $40.00 Everything else from stock or repurposed. As usual with these builds, the saddle is the most expensive part. |
Originally Posted by BFisher
(Post 22177276)
A few months back I passed up the chance at a Superior just like that one. The ask was more than I was willing to pay, though not totally unreasonable. Nice to see this one show up here. Nice color and graphics.
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Originally Posted by cudak888
(Post 22176050)
Seattube bands indicate 1960's, but early enough to predate the thinner seatstays.
-Kurt It came with a plastic pulley as well as a modernish sealed bottom bracket that I removed. |
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Finally hit 10 posts! Back in March a buddy gave me a couple old bikes he bought in a three-bike CL deal. He kept the Hawthorne. I got these rusty relics.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fcd48bc6f1.jpg On the right is a Schwinn. I've no idea what model (have yet to research it). On the left is a Western Flyer with a 3-speed SA hub dated 1960. The cotter crank was frozen. Many choice words were said getting it apart. I nearly scrapped the project due to difficulty removing the drive-side bearing cup. The SA hub was frozen. When I removed the rear wheel, the chain kept the same shape. You get the idea! After hours removing rust with white vinegar, aluminum foil and brass brushes, I moved on to the SA hub. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ee5e6cf8d.jpg Removing rust, piece by piece, was both a challenge and therapy. Fast forward a couple months. Being a motorcycle fan, I realized I could flip the bars and rotate them to give the appearance of a 1920s board track racer. I also frequent a coffee shop rife with nice mountain bikes parked outside. I figured if I kept the original paint/patina, folks would look right past my bike to focus on the high-dollar stuff. So, here's the Western Flyer: https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a27c28308a.jpg Being a coffee shop bike, and being born in '68, I had a plate made with its name - Mocha https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...05b91ca950.jpg After 10-20 hours getting Mocha on the road, I figured my time was worth more than $3.25/hour. So, I picked up a coffee shop bike for my wife on CL for $70. It's name, you ask? Java. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c300946d8.jpg |
Originally Posted by 3speedslow
(Post 22176793)
^^Thats a great shop bike mechanic to have!
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The Schwinn may be a "Speedster" model, which took a couple forms over the years. Schwinn recycled names sometimes for differing models and frames. The silver color you see is actually the under-coat for what was originally red. Schwinn sprayed a primer first, then an aluminum colored base coat, and then topped the aluminum coat with a translucent color of choice - blue, red, green, etc. This is why the post-war "candy" type Schwinn colors look the way they do - you're seeing light reflecting off the aluminum undercoating through the translucent color top coat.
What happens is if the bicycle is exposed to the elements a great deal (particularly intense sunlight), the top color oxidizes, but the aluminum base coat remains. The result is that you see the base coat and the top coat is gone. Schwinn Radiant Red was particularly known for this, but the other colors sometimes do it too. It tends to happen particularly on red bikes stored outside because of exposure to the elements. Testor's "Stoplight Red" paint is a close match for the original red translucent top coat. |
Originally Posted by theofam
(Post 22178639)
After 10-20 hours getting Mocha on the road, I figured my time was worth more than $3.25/hour. So, I picked up a coffee shop bike for my wife on CL for $70. It's name, you ask? Java.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c300946d8.jpg |
Salubrious - thanks for letting me know. As my wife’s bike, my marriage will be much happier if her “new” bike actually stops!
I tried Continental Kwik Stops on Mocha, but they were insanely noisy, so I reverted back to the old brake pads. They’re quiet but merely provide more of a suggestion of slowing. SirMike1983 - I’ll research Speedsters. I need to get the SN off the bike next time I see it, too. That’ll likely help. Thanks for the lesson on the paint process as well as the tip for the Testor’s color substitute. Here’s a question for the collective. Mocha’s rear wheel must’ve been run into a curb or pothole at some point in time. It has a wavy sidewall (correct term?) and a resulting flat spot that makes for a terrible ride. I’ve had no luck thus far on eBay finding a replacement hoop. Does anyone make EA3 reproduction hoops for these bikes? Do I buy a donor bike? Your experiences are welcome. |
Originally Posted by theofam
(Post 22179102)
Salubrious - thanks for letting me know. As my wife’s bike, my marriage will be much happier if her “new” bike actually stops!
I tried Continental Kwik Stops on Mocha, but they were insanely noisy, so I reverted back to the old brake pads. They’re quiet but merely provide more of a suggestion of slowing. SirMike1983 - I’ll research Speedsters. I need to get the SN off the bike next time I see it, too. That’ll likely help. Thanks for the lesson on the paint process as well as the tip for the Testor’s color substitute. Here’s a question for the collective. Mocha’s rear wheel must’ve been run into a curb or pothole at some point in time. It has a wavy sidewall (correct term?) and a resulting flat spot that makes for a terrible ride. I’ve had no luck thus far on eBay finding a replacement hoop. Does anyone make EA3 reproduction hoops for these bikes? Do I buy a donor bike? Your experiences are welcome. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/392470303...AAAOSw3f9dnI5U WRT brakes, if you were getting squealing with the new Kool Stops, you need to twist the calipers a bit so that the trailing edge of the brake pad contacts the rim first. It doesn't take much but if they set down at the same time along their length, the pads (and rim) will squeal. |
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