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I stumbled on something interesting on Ebay.fr
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/RNoAAO...YI/s-l1600.jpg Three hub shells, a bunch of other hub parts, bottom bracket cups, I don't know what else. What's interesting is the "Vibo" hub, which appears to be a Swiss made AW clone from the WW2 era. I've never heard of that one before. N.O.S LOT PIÈCES POUR MOYEUX 40'S VÉLO ANCIEN OLD BIKE BICI ÉPOCA ALTES FAHRRAD | eBay |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19952416)
Lots of different manufacturers made bikes under the Royce Union badge. Some of the older ones are Raleigh made, but this one isn't. Personally, this isn't one I would go after. The market still has real English 3 speeds for dirt cheap if you have patience.
edit: just an example. This bike was a craigslist find at $50. It had a lot of bugs to work out, but it was worth the effort in the end. Attachment 585922 https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...5520-local0&zw |
France, too bad. I have a home for one of those patent AW shells. But then, it would be a long time ebaying off those ancient parts trying to recover the 90 or so dollars if it were an American auction.
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Originally Posted by campngolf
(Post 19953317)
What would be considered a tall Raleigh frame? What different size frames did these vintage bike come in?
As someone who is NOT vertically challenged (6'3") I need all the tallness I can get in a frame. On the plus side, if you do begin looking for a Tourist the larger 24" frame is more common than the 22" so your odds of finding one are pretty good. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by thumpism
(Post 19954196)
The 23" Sports is the most commonly found of the tall-ish ones. The 24" Tourist is a bit taller but a different bike with its 28" wheels and rod brakes. Don't ask which is "better" or you'll start a war. The Tourist is very classy but I prefer the Sports for ease of use and you can always get longer seatposts and taller stems to personalize the fit. You can also fit a longer seatpost to a Tourist but the proprietary stem/bar combo becomes problematic.
On the plus side, if you do begin looking for a Tourist the larger 24" frame is more common than the 22" so your odds of finding one are pretty good. Good luck! |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19954536)
But...When I roll out of the driveway on one it puts a grin on my face. I don't have any rational explanation for this. I enjoy riding them.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19954536)
Yes, this is true. You could get a similar balance and leg extension on a 23" Sports even with the stock stem and seat post. Also true that the phrase "ease of use" and DL-1 don't belong in the same sentence. The DL-1 does have the advantage on sandy and uneven road surfaces, but it's hard to come up with anything else. The bike is essentially unchanged from the 1930s and it was a bit old fashioned then. But...When I roll out of the driveway on one it puts a grin on my face. I don't have any rational explanation for this. I enjoy riding them.
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I found a better one than the royce union. What the hell was I thinking? looks like a 1962-65' and looks intact. I'm gonna get it.
https://brainerd.craigslist.org/bik/...311478190.html https://images.craigslist.org/00303_...vW_600x450.jpg |
Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
(Post 19955222)
I found a better one than the royce union. What the hell was I thinking? looks like a 1962-65' and looks intact. I'm gonna get it.
https://brainerd.craigslist.org/bik/...311478190.html https://images.craigslist.org/00303_...vW_600x450.jpg |
I agree--early 60s based on the decal style. I can't tell if it's a standard trigger or a twist grip. Beware the twist grip!
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Oooo! Oooo! It's got a flag holder!
And just look at that chainguard mounting! Looks like it might have a twistgrip shifter mounted on the left side. Very unusual, but a rider's physical limitations might have required it to be set up like that. |
Originally Posted by thumpism
(Post 19954196)
The 23" Sports is the most commonly found of the tall-ish ones. The 24" Tourist is a bit taller but a different bike with its 28" wheels and rod brakes. Don't ask which is "better" or you'll start a war. The Tourist is very classy but I prefer the Sports for ease of use and you can always get longer seatposts and taller stems to personalize the fit. You can also fit a longer seatpost to a Tourist but the proprietary stem/bar combo becomes problematic.
On the plus side, if you do begin looking for a Tourist the larger 24" frame is more common than the 22" so your odds of finding one are pretty good. Good luck! And I have always admired the classic look of a DL-1 so perhaps I need to start looking for one in 24". |
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The DL-1 is a strange ride indeed. Heavy feel like a tank, yet sort of "noodley" and the ride of a '56 Buick. It is a different experience for sure. Mine is my "transportation" bike.
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Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 19955347)
I agree--early 60s based on the decal style. I can't tell if it's a standard trigger or a twist grip. Beware the twist grip!
I asked for better pictures and mentioned no worries about mechanical issues and don't mess with the ill mounted chain guard so not to marr up the Raleigh decal. The pictures do suck bad but I am seeing a good Sports w/a really nice basket. I blew up the photo as possible and it looks like the grips are the same it is actually very hard to see if it has the My close eyes are not what they use to be. I see rusty fender paint I think. I am optimistic. I don't know where this guy got it from but really doesn't know much about it. I am also curious about the tag bolted on the rear axle. |
Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
(Post 19955650)
It's darn near the same as my 62 but the lesser quality grips are a little different pattern I left contact info and I have a friend in that area of the state this weekend that can pick it up for me Sat of Sun.
I asked for better pictures and mentioned no worries about mechanical issues and don't mess with the ill mounted chain guard so not to marr up the Raleigh decal. The pictures do suck bad but I am seeing a good Sports w/a really nice basket. I blew up the photo as possible and it looks like the grips are the same it is actually very hard to see if it has the My close eyes are not what they use to be. I see rusty fender paint I think. I am optimistic. I don't know where this guy got it from but really doesn't know much about it. I am also curious about the tag bolted on the rear axle. https://www.bikeforums.net/<a href=h...61ffe741_b.jpghttps://farm5.staticflickr.com/4209/...61ffe741_b.jpg64_Sports by Billy Bones, on Flickr |
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I don't see that your interest extends to ladies bikes. Here's one for sale.
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Originally Posted by plympton
(Post 19955804)
I don't see that your interest extends to ladies bikes. Here's one for sale.
Attachment 586129 You really seem to have a cool bike karma going on. Hope some of it rubs off on me. Funny how time changes things. Back when I first started this hobby, a dumpy early 50s Raleigh would have been an easy find. |
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Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19955887)
I'm holding out for a pre 55 tall gents in bad enough condition that I can refinish it, but this is a very nice bike!
You really seem to have a cool bike karma going on. Hope some of it rubs off on me. Funny how time changes things. Back when I first started this hobby, a dumpy early 50s Raleigh would have been an easy find. Attachment 586147 Attachment 586148 Attachment 586149 |
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Originally Posted by plympton
(Post 19955804)
I don't see that your interest extends to ladies bikes. Here's one for sale.
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Originally Posted by thumpism
(Post 19955359)
Oooo! Oooo! It's got a flag holder!
And just look at that chainguard mounting! Looks like it might have a twistgrip shifter mounted on the left side. Very unusual, but a rider's physical limitations might have required it to be set up like that. This one posted a couple mile for the house, looks like repaint not that familiar with this version. https://images.craigslist.org/01414_...7_1200x900.jpg |
Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti
(Post 19956802)
A flag holder. Thank you for that I was wondering. The pic off Billybones FLKR is the same but has the nicer grips. I did see a double chrome band in front of the left rt brake lever for the shift trigger. I need to hear back from this guy.
This one posted a couple mile for the house, looks like repaint not that familiar with this version. https://images.craigslist.org/01414_...7_1200x900.jpg |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19957009)
Pretty sure this is an Eastman from India.
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That looks non-English, more likely Indian or the like.
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My beat up roadster didn't have grips when I bought it. It was early 70s and would have had the typical black Dare grips, so I bought a pair of inexpensive Dare style grips from somebody on eBay. Now, the picture didn't show it, but when you get them they have TAIWAN emblazoned across the top. Funny how little details can bug me. I've got nothing against Taiwan, but it just didn't belong on my classic British roadster so I found somebody selling Dare style grips that he claimed to be OE on Pashley roadsters. When they came I was surprised to find they were a soft rubber. A bit floppy, but they went on easily with some dish soap. Now, I'm totally hooked on these and they're no longer available on eBay. I like them better than cork. Far better than hard plastic or leather. I found the manufacturer and they make soft and hard versions of the grip. These soft ones are just perfect. I want some for my scorcher, but I can't find anybody retailing these anywhere.
linky: Rubber Grips Style 9 - Hand Grip - Handle Grip - Component Force - USA |
Pre-War Phillips ?
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Attachment 586303 Not sure what to make of this one. Advertised as a pre-war English Phillips. The bike has been converted to a fixie (why bother) and the original 28" rims are included in the price of $300. I don't recall any British hump back frames except a few Raleigh kid's bikes in the 60's. |
I've seen butcher bikes having frames shaped like that, never figured out what it was actually for though. I guess to fit smaller riders?
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It would appear that the dealers in Greece had different advertising standards... |
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Originally Posted by gster
(Post 19957643)
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Attachment 586303 Not sure what to make of this one. Advertised as a pre-war English Phillips. The bike has been converted to a fixie (why bother) and the original 28" rims are included in the price of $300. I don't recall any British hump back frames except a few Raleigh kid's bikes in the 60's. Attachment 586306 Attachment 586305 |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 19957643)
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Attachment 586303 Not sure what to make of this one. Advertised as a pre-war English Phillips. The bike has been converted to a fixie (why bother) and the original 28" rims are included in the price of $300. I don't recall any British hump back frames except a few Raleigh kid's bikes in the 60's. |
Just got in from a ride on the old roadster. Didn't go far. Maybe 8 miles, but after all these years I'm still amazed and excited to be on a bicycle. Amazed because it's such a simple machine. No fuel, no hydraulics, no electronics or computers. Nothing that can't be maintained and repaired with simple tools in my back yard. That 8 miles would have been a long arduous walk, but on my roadster, I did it in minutes with very little effort. Just gliding through the air. What a wonderful invention.
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