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Originally Posted by Buellster
(Post 20491618)
Thanks!
I played 69.99, one penny more than the asking price. I think it was a little pricey but I see so few and it's in the original box! You'll need a proper 4 speed shifter for that fellow. Early 50s Raleighs had a "3 or 4" speed shifter that will work. I believe the shifters labeled as 4 speed are the same and will work also. Before you build it into a wheel, measure the axle length and see what the OLD will turn out to be and make sure you're happy with the result. There were two axle possibilities 5 3/4" and 6 1/4". The shorter axle will match the spacing on you're Sports which you can measure and probably turns out to be about 110 mm. The longer axle will space out to about 120 mm which is probably ideal for your Harding. I don't know where to find axles for these guys, maybe on ebay from time to time, maybe from a trashed hub. Look at the exploded diagram and notice the two piece shift rod/indicator. These are supposed to be fragile and are, so they say, not easy to find and expensive when they turn up. |
Originally Posted by desconhecido
(Post 20492105)
I don't think that's bad at all for a new FW hub. 36h or 40h?
You'll need a proper 4 speed shifter for that fellow. Early 50s Raleighs had a "3 or 4" speed shifter that will work. I believe the shifters labeled as 4 speed are the same and will work also. Before you build it into a wheel, measure the axle length and see what the OLD will turn out to be and make sure you're happy with the result. There were two axle possibilities 5 3/4" and 6 1/4". The shorter axle will match the spacing on you're Sports which you can measure and probably turns out to be about 110 mm. The longer axle will space out to about 120 mm which is probably ideal for your Harding. I don't know where to find axles for these guys, maybe on ebay from time to time, maybe from a trashed hub. Look at the exploded diagram and notice the two piece shift rod/indicator. These are supposed to be fragile and are, so they say, not easy to find and expensive when they turn up. Heres a few more of the pics from the sale. My local LBS also has a bucket full of strumey archer hubs so I may find some things I need there too. my Hardings rear spacing WAS 120mm it was cold pressed to fit a standard 700c wheel 130mm. I can have it cold pressed back to the 120 (I know its horrible and a terrible thing to do but of it can take it one more time I swear I'll never do it again!) but if this a 110 mm axle itll be a big stretch back. May be too dangerous to risk it... edit: it's a 36 hole to answer your first queryhttps://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...361fbc588e.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f06cfbe0fd.jpg |
Originally Posted by Buellster
(Post 20491618)
Thanks!
I played 69.99, one penny more than the asking price. I think it was a little pricey but I see so few and it's in the original box! |
Three Spires
I Searched and couldn't find another Three Spires. My son just got this for his girlfriend. He was a little sad a couple years ago when I sold my Triumph to make room for another road bike. 1961 hub date. All original but the tires? Too bad about the handlebars. I wonder how that happened without other damage. The fender stays are super straight which is kinda neat. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9cd5257b1d.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...848ed73018.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb9ebd76c8.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6ffa4ac49b.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7c999168c.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf0402e8e7.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9133721170.jpg |
Three Spires was a Coventry based Bike company absorbed by Raleigh in 1954. So this is a Raleigh built bike from the Nottingham factory. Nice bike. Not always, but usually dulled paint like this will respond nicely to a polishing compound and regain a lot of it's luster although sometimes the oxidation goes to deep for a polish to remove. I'd guess this bike would clean up very well. I'd say it will make a fun and rewarding project.
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Originally Posted by Classtime
(Post 20492743)
I Searched and couldn't find another Three Spires. My son just got this for his girlfriend. He was a little sad a couple years ago when I sold my Triumph to make room for another road bike. 1961 hub date. All original but the tires? Too bad about the handlebars. I wonder how that happened without other damage. The fender stays are super straight which is kinda neat. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9cd5257b1d.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...848ed73018.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cb9ebd76c8.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6ffa4ac49b.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7c999168c.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bf0402e8e7.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9133721170.jpg The only drawback is those early Raleigh brake calipers. The proprietary cables are difficult to find (NOS) and I don't think anyone has a devised an easy/good looking fix. A metal wall anchor can be used as a "stop" but is not the cleanest solution. I generally swap out the calipers for the newer design if I plan to really ride a bike. A closer look at your photos shows that there's still plenty of adjustment available on the cables. |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 20492815)
Nice original bike.
The only drawback is those early Raleigh brake calipers. The proprietary cables are difficult to find (NOS) and I don't think anyone has a devised an easy/good looking fix. A metal wall anchor can be used as a "stop" but is not the cleanest solution. I generally swap out the calipers for the newer design if I plan to really ride a bike. A closer look at your photos shows that there's still plenty of adjustment available on the cables. |
Re: the Raleigh cables and the soldered end....there was a discussion on this a while back but I will say I experimented with a cut down spoke nipple soldered onto a new cable and it was perfect - it fit into the caliper and effectively disappeared; there is a nice crimper that also apparently works well. |
Originally Posted by markk900
(Post 20493015)
Re: the Raleigh cables and the soldered end....there was a discussion on this a while back but I will say I experimented with a cut down spoke nipple soldered onto a new cable and it was perfect - it fit into the caliper and effectively disappeared; there is a nice crimper that also apparently works well. |
Originally Posted by Classtime
(Post 20492743)
Too bad about the handlebars. I wonder how that happened without other damage. |
Apologies to all if this subject has been covered. I would really love to take on a rebuild project with a Raleigh 3-speed, preferably a Sport or Superbe, but my limited experience in fitting one of these bikes shows that the 23 inch frame is just too small for me. I am 6' 1" and my knees practically hit the handlebars. I am sure this is a common problem. Does anybody have any advice? I am aware that there is also a 24" frame available on the Tourist model, but I hardly ever see those up for sale.
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Originally Posted by Classtime
(Post 20492743)
I Searched and couldn't find another Three Spires. My son just got this for his girlfriend. He was a little sad a couple years ago when I sold my Triumph to make room for another road bike. 1961 hub date. All original but the tires? Too bad about the handlebars. I wonder how that happened without other damage. The fender stays are super straight which is kinda neat. I have Raleigh handlebar (painted black) that is yours for the cost of shipping. BTW shipping bars will not be cheap I fear. Is that a day sailer in the background? |
Originally Posted by gster
(Post 20492815)
Nice original bike.
The only drawback is those early Raleigh brake calipers. The proprietary cables are difficult to find (NOS) and I don't think anyone has a devised an easy/good looking fix. In this way I made new cables for my 1935 Roadster, whose cables were beyond redemption. |
Originally Posted by dweenk
(Post 20493563)
I have Raleigh handlebar (painted black) that is yours for the cost of shipping. BTW shipping bars will not be cheap I fear.
Is that a day sailer in the background? That is a 16 foot Sid Skiff from North West School of Wooden Boatbuilding. 3 rowing stations and to rigs: 90 feet of spritsail with jib or 75 feet of standing lug. |
Originally Posted by hdkct
(Post 20493554)
Apologies to all if this subject has been covered. I would really love to take on a rebuild project with a Raleigh 3-speed, preferably a Sport or Superbe, but my limited experience in fitting one of these bikes shows that the 23 inch frame is just too small for me. I am 6' 1" and my knees practically hit the handlebars. I am sure this is a common problem. Does anybody have any advice? I am aware that there is also a 24" frame available on the Tourist model, but I hardly ever see those up for sale.
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Originally Posted by hdkct
(Post 20493554)
Apologies to all if this subject has been covered. I would really love to take on a rebuild project with a Raleigh 3-speed, preferably a Sport or Superbe, but my limited experience in fitting one of these bikes shows that the 23 inch frame is just too small for me. I am 6' 1" and my knees practically hit the handlebars. I am sure this is a common problem. Does anybody have any advice? I am aware that there is also a 24" frame available on the Tourist model, but I hardly ever see those up for sale.
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Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 20493752)
I'm 6'1" and , going straight, my knees miss the handlebar by a good 3 inches. It's only when I make a sharp U turn that I instinctively move my inside knee out to clear the bar. You could change the stem for a taller or longer necked version. Any 22.2mm stem will fit the fork tube, but Raleighs use 15/16" handlebars, so you would need to shim them to fit the 1" stem clamp you're likely to find on the replacement. I've done this before, not a problem. Depending on how far you move the handlebar, you may have to make up custom length cables. I did that with this bike. It's a 21" frame that I modified with a long Sunlite touring stem to fit me.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de1cbb67d4.jpg The 23" frame is my preferred choice and find them a comfortable ride. As a result, I'm letting go of a couple of my 21" bikes. A Superbe and a Hercules. Time to cull the herd. |
Thanks for the suggestions. I will give them a try.
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I found this beauty on my Local FB marketplace. I know it's just a sport but the condition is something to behold. Guy wants $125 for it. I rode it around a parking lot for a bit and it feels wonderful. Seat is lose and he said it will need a new one (old rail seat system but I believe I have a replacement that will work). It has some little rust spots here and there but nothing major. He also said the the cotter pin on the left crank is about shot and that it will need a new one next time the BB gets work. Most importantly it's my size at 23". I'm certainly considering it. This condition for a 60s sport seems worth the higher price than what a sport usually calls for...
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...41d864b1c4.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7cc0089ef0.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c69eebf10c.jpg How bad is a dent on a hub like this? https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6e1e78a539.jpg Some rust here and there but nothing major |
Originally Posted by Buellster
(Post 20494802)
I found this beauty on my Local FB marketplace. I know it's just a sport but the condition is something to behold. Guy wants $125 for it. I rode it around a parking lot for a bit and it feels wonderful. Seat is lose and he said it will need a new one (old rail seat system but I believe I have a replacement that will work). It has some little rust spots here and there but nothing major. He also said the the cotter pin on the left crank is about shot and that it will need a new one next time the BB gets work. Most importantly it's my size at 23". I'm certainly considering it. This condition for a 60s sport seems worth the higher price than what a sport usually calls for...
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...41d864b1c4.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7cc0089ef0.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c69eebf10c.jpg How bad is a dent on a hub like this? https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6e1e78a539.jpg Some rust here and there but nothing major |
I agree. This is a good bike, priced right. If you keep it in a reasonably dry place and give it a coat of wax once in a while, you can stop any further rusting in it's tracks. Rims look very good. Originally this bike came with a Brooks B72 and Dare grips. Other than those it looks original. I like it.
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@Buellster - I'm thinking about one of these in my area - probably the one with the new Brooks grips & new GYES saddle (seat -whatever). It's more pricey. No fenders though. Not sure.
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Originally Posted by mrv
(Post 20495248)
@Buellster - I'm thinking about one of these in my area - probably the one with the new Brooks grips & new GYES saddle (seat -whatever). It's more pricey. No fenders though. Not sure.
The one tour thinking has some shcwabe titles too! I do just LOVE the fenders though. My heart would be with the one with the fenders still on it. Then again I'm a sucker for looks as opposed to the one your on which may well be a better bet quality wise haha |
My vote is for the bike with fenders. You would have a complete (or nearly complete) bike to begin whatever project suits your taste.
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To me, a complete bike is always worth more than an incomplete one in similar condition.
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What are the chances the cotter pin and seat post from my 78 Raleigh sport will work with my 60's raliegh sport?
I'm considering using the first for parts on the second. It doesnt need many, but it sure would be convenient if I could use the bike I have for parts. |
For the love of English 3 speeds...
Originally Posted by Buellster
(Post 20495467)
What are the chances the cotter pin and seat post from my 78 Raleigh sport will work with my 60's raliegh sport?
I'm considering using the first for parts on the second. It doesnt need many, but it sure would be convenient if I could use the bike I have for parts. edit: That green bike is pretty decent and not an outrageous price, in my opinion, regardless the butt ugly saddle. That, of course, brings up the problem with Raleigh Sports. It'll take $75 to $100 to get a decent saddle on that sucker. Cheap bikes have a a tendency to not stay cheap for long. |
Originally Posted by desconhecido
(Post 20495486)
For the love of English 3 speeds...
My guess is the chances are very good. To the best of my knowledge, Raleigh Sports bikes take 25.4 mm seatposts and all the bottom brackets and bb spindles are interchangeable. The later bikes have two stays on the rear fenders, no white tail, but that's easy to remedy. If you have parts from a 78 to update your 60s bike, take a look at the brakes and levers. Though it would be anachronistic to put the later brakes on the earlier bike, they are better brakes and levers. So, what do you do, enhance the bike as a bike or adhear to period correctness? edit: That green bike is pretty decent and not an outrageous price, in my opinion, regardless the butt ugly saddle. That, of course, brings up the problem with Raleigh Sports. It'll take $75 to $100 to get a decent saddle on that sucker. Cheap bikes have a a tendency to not stay cheap for long. haha I'm not super concerned with the saddle. I've got a decent one to put on it untill I can find a decent replacement. |
Originally Posted by mrv
(Post 20495248)
@Buellster - I'm thinking about one of these in my area - probably the one with the new Brooks grips & new GYES saddle (seat -whatever). It's more pricey. No fenders though. Not sure.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...21eace82f7.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8d0e576c62.jpg I would assume that the cables and pads are new as well. I bet the seller's got at least $400,00 tied up in it. Bike/Parts/Labour. The Gyes saddles are well made ( I have one) but take some time to break in. It's like vintage cars ,it's always better to buy one that somebody else has spent their money on. |
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