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markwesti 10-10-15 06:14 PM

Anybody ever use these ?
New Continental Giro Road Track Train Tubular Tire 22mm Sew Up Tyre 700c 27' 28" | eBay

RobbieTunes 10-10-15 06:47 PM

5.83 each at REI's yard sale today. 700x21
"standard" Practice is 700x22.5 (note the play on words)
Classic look, 270 TPI. All the tags were in Japanese.
Perfect for an 80's build.

http://www.tracksupermarket.com/imag...atubular_l.jpg

Kactus 10-10-15 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 18232903)
5.83 each at REI's yard sale today. 700x21
"standard" Practice is 700x22.5 (note the play on words)
Classic look, 270 TPI. All the tags were in Japanese.
Perfect for an 80's build.

I hope you bought a bunch at that price!

markwesti 10-10-15 07:01 PM

Robbie , how can I get some of these ?

Lenton58 10-10-15 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 18232356)
Oh of course... and I do... I just suck at it. See?

I'd say, 'as long as it works!':thumb:

RobbieTunes 10-10-15 08:00 PM

I'd check REI outlet, or find REI's near you. Here, they have a yard sale once a year, and they were in the bin. They only had 2.

Lenton58 10-10-15 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 18232903)
5.83 each at REI's yard sale today. 700x21
"standard" Practice is 700x22.5 (note the play on words)
Classic look, 270 TPI. All the tags were in Japanese.
Perfect for an 80's build.

Great find! I haven't seen any of these in Sendai, but I think I'll ask my LBS about them

DiabloScott 10-11-15 09:57 AM

BTW, what do you guys use to glue the base tape back on after a patch? My tape always puckers up and is unsat. All the hints I see call for "latex glue" which I've never seen in an appropriate size package.
Show me an actual product.


Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 18232356)
Oh of course... and I do... I just suck at it. See?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T...d%252520Up.jpg


markwesti 10-11-15 08:47 PM

I have glued the tape on with this : http://www.amazon.com/00107-3-Ounce-...tact+cementAnd I use this to glue the tire back on :3M 08031 Fast Tack Trim Adhesive Tube 5 Oz | eBay

rootboy 10-12-15 08:53 AM

I use contact cement too, D-Scott. Never understood what "Latex glue" might be.
But Pliobond is rubber-based and would probably work well too.
http://www.amazon.com/Pliobond-P141-.../dp/B00176HL9Y

Peugeotlover 10-12-15 08:07 PM

1000 miles on a Servizio Corsa tubular
 
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After about 1000 miles, my rear tubular tire developed two significant bubbles.
Just out of the blue.

The bubbles caused the outer skin to tear away from the inner casing.
The tread was worn smooth, so the service life of the tire was almost gone.

The good part is that it got me home safely.
Good, because I was really tearing down that last hill, unaware of the damage.

Check your tires regularly.

jimmuller 10-12-15 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 18233879)
BTW, what do you guys use to glue the base tape back on after a patch? My tape always puckers up and is unsat.

For the few tires I've patched I've used the same stuff for holding the tire on the rim. My base tape always puckers too, but I don't think it's the glue. I think it's my sewing technique.

markwesti 10-12-15 11:01 PM

One thing I found out the hard way is you can't rob the Ms. sewing box for the thread . I use the new type braided fishing line (only because I have it) that stuff is super strong . Jim I agree , why use two different types of glue ?

hueyhoolihan 10-12-15 11:01 PM


Originally Posted by Peugeotlover (Post 18237342)
After about 1000 miles, my rear tubular tire developed two significant bubbles.
Just out of the blue.

The bubbles caused the outer skin to tear away from the inner casing.
The tread was worn smooth, so the service life of the tire was almost gone.

The good part is that it got me home safely.
Good, because I was really tearing down that last hill, unaware of the damage.

Check your tires regularly.

you win! :lol:

the sorriest looking set of tires, that hold air, i've ever seen on a bike. had to laugh...

Lenton58 10-13-15 01:47 AM


Originally Posted by markwesti (Post 18237606)
One thing I found out the hard way is you can't rob the Ms. sewing box for the thread.

Really? In my house only I have a sewing box. Princess Lenton pays to have her buttons sewed back on :)

Peugeotlover 10-13-15 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan (Post 18237607)
you win! :lol:

the sorriest looking set of tires, that hold air, i've ever seen on a bike. had to laugh...

Having just pumped the tire to 110 psi, I think it was my fault.
It couldn't take the extreme pressure.
Could have gotten another 500 miles out of it. ;)

due ruote 10-13-15 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by markwesti (Post 18237606)
One thing I found out the hard way is you can't rob the Ms. sewing box for the thread . I use the new type braided fishing line (only because I have it) that stuff is super strong . Jim I agree , why use two different types of glue ?

I think the idea is that, ideally, the glue will be strong enough to hold the base tape on, but not so strong that you can't peel back the tape for a repair. Rim cement might fail in this latter regard.

The only latex I know of is just plain old latex, which might be useful for coating sidewalls, but I could never imagine it bonding tape to tire. I have used contact cement like the others.

One time I tried to re-glue an entire base tape, but didn't have the sense to do it on the rim. I think the tire ended up about an inch shorter than it needed to be. Of course I found that out on the road when I flatted and went to use it for a spare. Oops. Wound up just tearing the tape to get the tire mounted.

markwesti 10-13-15 06:20 PM

I knew there was a reason I was told to use contact cement on the tape . Thanks due route .

Ed. 10-13-15 08:19 PM

I've not had to repair all that many - I don't recollect using anything other than rim cement, tho I'm sure there's better choices.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g6...ps7lnyipph.jpg

Between 2500 and 3000 flat-free miles on this gatorskin, which I attribute to tire savers, but Continental may have a different opinion.

DiabloScott 10-16-15 01:04 PM

Sew-ups are on for Saturday's charity ride.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-k...1015152228.jpg

DiabloScott 11-19-15 08:25 AM

Screw it - I got a couple more this week after I flatted on Saturday. I think they might be discontinuing this model and I really like it and it comes in 27mm width. The flat was a Yellow Jersey cheapo anyway, so now I'll match both tires.


Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 18227301)
Well, I buy one new tubular tire every year,...

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-b...1007152129.jpg


Salamandrine 11-19-15 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by DiabloScott (Post 18233879)
BTW, what do you guys use to glue the base tape back on after a patch? My tape always puckers up and is unsat. All the hints I see call for "latex glue" which I've never seen in an appropriate size package.
Show me an actual product.

"Latex glue"? I haven't seen that stuff in years. It used to be sold in bike shops next to the Velox tubular tire repair kit tins. It came in a little plastic jar and claimed to be liquid latex, but it was stickier than the liquid latex sold in art stores for mold making etc. It was a milky white color, water based, with a whiff of ammonia.

You could also use it to replenish the worn off latex of your sidewalls...

Anyhow, you brushed some on the base tape, and some over the sewn up repair, let it flash dry, and pressed them together. So yeah, it was actually contact cement. Offhand I'd say it was more or less identical to the water based contact cement you can buy today.

I'd suppose any good strong contact cement could do the job. Testing first would be a good idea.

SJX426 05-04-16 02:36 PM

I keep finding old sew ups with the base tape starting to separate from the casing. I am tempted to use them because they still hold air. One pair are Clement Futur CX. Decent tread but the casing on the sidewall is showing and the base tape has thread hanging all around.

I was looking for Latex glue but now that y'all have agreed on Contact cement. Thanks for the validation and a solution.

Wulf 05-04-16 04:40 PM

That stuff is water soluble contact cement. If you use it to coat your tire casing, sprinkle talcum powder on them so they dont pick up dirt.

gaucho777 05-04-16 10:09 PM

Another option for base tape adhesive might be 3M Fast Tack. It was a pretty common emergency glue commonly used when I raced back in the 80s. It dries within 30 minutes or maybe an hour, so one could use it on race day if you got a flat during warm-up. Some people used it as a every-day glue. The main complaint was that it was too strong, such that when you needed to change a tire, it often pulled the base tape away from the casing and left it on the rim. I've been using Barge Cement for re-applying base tape, but I think the 3M Fast Tack would be a good option. It's used for car upholstery, and still readily available at most auto parts stores. Anyone tried it on base tape?


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