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BigChief 05-06-18 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20324912)
Amazing old bike. The grips look like hard rubber, not the plastic used now. I had a pair somewhat like these on a bike during the 60s, but a soft black rubber, not very durable. Now I remember, my hands would come away covered with black stuff.

I wonder what they were made of. Very few seem to have survived. Most of the time I see 50s 3 speeds with the American black Hunt Wilde grips. Back in the 60s, those were by far the most common aftermarket grips you would find at bike shops so I guess the originals broke down rather quickly and got replaced. Now that I have a better image and know what they look like, I'll keep my eyes open for anything that looks as close as possible for my Rudge project. Long term search it looks like.

BigChief 05-06-18 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20325190)
After months haphazard searching I've finally found a bike quote I remembered by the writer/traveler Eric Newby. From Round Ireland in Low Gear, 1987: "Ever since the 1890s, when for a time it was fashionable, though never as a competitive sport, cycling had been and still is hopelessly déclassé. Even today the only socially acceptable bike for a member of the British upper crust is one that looks as if it has been retrieved from a municipal rubbish dump, and probably has."

I resemble that remark!

dweenk 05-06-18 02:26 PM

Step through Raleigh in Dover, DE
 
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab6aba6f2a.jpg
https://delaware.craigslist.org/bik/...569021063.html

Good looking bike, but the original saddle is missing. It appears to have self-adjusting brakes; were they available in 1967?

3speedslow 05-06-18 04:24 PM

No self adjusting in 67, started in 73 i believe


arty dave 05-06-18 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20325185)
Eastman Roadster Update:
Awhile back I found a very nice Eastman leather saddle, the problem was finding a 3 rail saddle clamp...
Brooks has one at 19 pounds ($60.00 by the time it reached me) .
I managed to adapt a "flat" clamp that seems to work.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d31ef039c.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...39228d12dc.jpg
I just need to find some appropriate black grips and we'll call this one finished.
It's only been about 10 years...
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...924039730e.jpg
I put this one together after seeing a Pashley Path Racer on display but couldn't afford the price.
Also has the MKS 3000 pedals.

Cool! Nice job on the saddle, that frame looks great - is it a B33 frame? This would be a bike I'd happily ride...same slack angles as the DL-1, and that spacing between the 2 top bars is just right in the aesthetics department. Definitely a keeper!
Gster this is a 22" frame right? What is the top top tube length? I have a lead on a very similar Indian made bike.

gster 05-06-18 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20325653)
Cool! Nice job on the saddle, that frame looks great - is it a B33 frame? This would be a bike I'd happily ride...same slack angles as the DL-1, and that spacing between the 2 top bars is just right in the aesthetics department. Definitely a keeper!

Thanks.
It's an Indian saddle, a copy of the B33 .
There's a junk shop on Queen Street here in Toronto and the
owner keeps an eye out for old bike stuff for me. Saddles, pumps etc.
The bike looks great but the ride is a little awkward.
The front end tends to "wander" a bit.
More show than go.

gster 05-06-18 06:07 PM

How about this?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de5f963a53.jpg

johnnyspaghetti 05-06-18 08:45 PM

Shurly East LA. They are art work but can be to difficult to ride & low comfort. I can appreciate all that workmanship though.

johnnyspaghetti 05-06-18 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20325464)
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ab6aba6f2a.jpg
https://delaware.craigslist.org/bik/...569021063.html

Good looking bike, but the original saddle is missing. It appears to have self-adjusting brakes; were they available in 1967?

I think brake ajusters came out in 1975-76. That crank is pre 1974

paulb_in_bkln 05-06-18 10:24 PM

As it's five years and time to repack the Nexus hub on one of my bikes I watched some videos and the recommended thin white grease by Shimano seemed familiar. I just thought of it. Long ago when I rebuilt a Chevy engine I used a thin white grease on all the moving surfaces so there'd be lubrication while oil pressure built up for the first time when the engine started. The grease would wash away and dissolve in the warm engine oil. The Shimano lube sure looks like it. Lubriplate has something called 105. I wonder if it's basically the same stuff?

Kilroy1988 05-06-18 10:27 PM

@gster - however that bike rides, the aesthetics are very pleasing and you did a good job of it! I imagine the wandering front end is a symptom of the lacking stem reach and the slack fork angle. I experience similar issues on my 1951 New Hudson with old-fashioned geometry.

agmetal 05-06-18 10:59 PM

Looks like not enough rake for a head angle like that

BigChief 05-07-18 04:08 AM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 20326205)
Looks like not enough rake for a head angle like that

I was thinking that too. The frame looks the same as a DL-1 but the fork has much less rake.

BigChief 05-07-18 06:20 AM

Here's an early 50s Rudge scorcher project posted over at CC. Very nice job.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...feb15f3e0b.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 05-07-18 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20325185)
Eastman Roadster Update:
Awhile back I found a very nice Eastman leather saddle, the problem was finding a 3 rail saddle clamp...
Brooks has one at 19 pounds ($60.00 by the time it reached me) .
I managed to adapt a "flat" clamp that seems to work.
I just need to find some appropriate black grips and we'll call this one finished.
It's only been about 10 years...
I put this one together after seeing a Pashley Path Racer on display but couldn't afford the price.
Also has the MKS 3000 pedals.

I found an old web page from a Wisconsin company that once imported these bikes. It's full of somewhat funny caveats about them ("Finish is mediocre.... The factory is not climate-controlled, so there will be rust under both plating and paint."). Eastman now seem to belong to an industrial conglomerate and they advertise modern bikes--or maybe it's a different company. What were the difficult parts making this happen?

paulb_in_bkln 05-07-18 06:40 AM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20325464)
https://delaware.craigslist.org/bik/...569021063.html

Good looking bike, but the original saddle is missing. It appears to have self-adjusting brakes; were they available in 1967?

The inexpensive bikes on Bikesdirect offer good value but it seems to me not like one of these older Sports, in good condition, at a price like being asked here.

paulb_in_bkln 05-07-18 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20326459)
Here's an early 50s Rudge scorcher project posted over at CC. Very nice job.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...feb15f3e0b.jpg

Just the way to do it.

agmetal 05-07-18 09:22 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20326353)
I was thinking that too. The frame looks the same as a DL-1 but the fork has much less rake.

My ANT frame with its 69º angles was originally built with a generic fork, and while it didn't handle badly, I felt that it could be improved, so I had a fork custom-built for it with more rake. The goal was to make it feel more like the '37 Tourist that the build is based on, and it definitely became better in that respect. I think that in either configuration, though, it takes some getting used to, since it does handle differently from most modern bikes. My girlfriend took it for a short ride yesterday, and struggled a bit with the handling at first. She's used to a Trek hybrid.

Before (original fork):
https://www.bikeforums.net/attachmen...2&d=1513276545

After (custom fork by Royal H Cycles):
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4a234f4dd5.jpg


1937 Raleigh Tourist that the build is based on:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...357a92af7c.jpg

johnnyspaghetti 05-07-18 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 20326755)
My ANT frame with its 69º angles was originally built with a generic fork, and while it didn't handle badly, I felt that it could be improved, so I had a fork custom-built for it with more rake. The goal was to make it feel more like the '37 Tourist that the build is based on, and it definitely became better in that respect. I think that in either configuration, though, it takes some getting used to, since it does handle differently from most modern bikes. My girlfriend took it for a short ride yesterday, and struggled a bit with the handling at first. She's used to a Trek hybrid.

Before (original fork):


After (custom fork by Royal H Cycles):



1937 Raleigh Tourist that the build is based on:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...357a92af7c.jpg

I do think the difference in the is to dulicate the Front axle center to crank center which seems at least 6"longer.As well as an extra inch in the rear. Long wheel base + 28" tires will give that nice ride.

agmetal 05-07-18 11:05 AM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20326966)
I do think the difference in the is to dulicate the Front axle center to crank center which seems at least 6"longer.As well as an extra inch in the rear. Long wheel base + 28" tires will give that nice ride.

Yeah, there's definitely a noticeable difference in the ride with those differences you've mentioned. My ANT is, in many ways, sort of halfway between a Sports and a Tourist

dweenk 05-07-18 12:00 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...64141f58f6.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...25c8594211.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...09738db095.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0a38373ba2.jpg
I took my Tourist out for a ride today. It had not been on the road since last fall, so I had to add air to the tires, check the brakes, and so forth. It is easy to forget that this type of bicycle is very different from others until you get into the saddle and ride.
I am in the process of getting rid of several bikes, but this one will be around for a while.

gster 05-07-18 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20326472)
I found an old web page from a Wisconsin company that once imported these bikes. It's full of somewhat funny caveats about them ("Finish is mediocre.... The factory is not climate-controlled, so there will be rust under both plating and paint."). Eastman now seem to belong to an industrial conglomerate and they advertise modern bikes--or maybe it's a different company. What were the difficult parts making this happen?

The quality on this one seems good.
It was a somewhat easy project as the bike was mostly complete and in good condition when I bought it.
Fenders and chain guard were removed, new tires installed and one of the brake brackets was missing.
This was replaced with a Raleigh piece.
Paint is original and the chrome is good.
The front wheel may not be seating in the fork as it should and this may be the cause of the front end wander.
so I guess it's still not finished...

johnnyspaghetti 05-08-18 12:31 AM

This one looks cool but way out of my price range at $400

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...567623650.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00W0W_...uv_600x450.jpg

gster 05-08-18 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20328244)

Almost a twin of mine...
The Hero saddle is an Asian brand.

oldveloman 05-08-18 09:10 AM

Hard to keep up with you guys here. Loads of new posts :speedy:

Yesterday, another “old Raleigh" was dumped at my doorstep. If this goes on, I will have to expand my garage...
Anyway, this one is pretty rusty and had been sitting in an overgrown garden shed for some time.

Lighting is non original, nor the ( Dutch Lepper- ) saddle and the Sturmey rear wheel says 1961, but I think the frame is early fifties, probably 1951 - 1953 ?

Peter

​​​​​​​https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd13a2657f.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...62cfcb5602.jpg


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