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adventurepdx 02-03-15 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 17524278)
Wish I was close enough to make the Society meetings... I think I must be member number 2 or 3 and have served as adventurepdx's personal mechanic and enabler as we have been good friends for many years and have also lived under the same roof with a bunch of bicycles in the basement when Portland was my second home. Many of those were British 3 speeds as my spouse and his (former) better half also rode one of their own. A lot of my riding in Portland was done on my wife's Raleigh 20, there really wasn't any place that bike would not take me.

Ah, the secret is out! Sixty Fiver, you can be my personal mechanic and enabler any day of the week. But I'm not moving to Edmonton anytime soon! ;)

(And you are actually member number 22. ;) )

desconhecido 02-03-15 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 17525932)
Sheesh. I should stop doing this. I found what looks like something unusual, a Rivi Sport 3-speed. Its a French brand, but I am posting here as it has a British hub, but a Brampton, not an SA.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432284http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432285http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432286The crank is fluted and designed to look high end. The lugwork is really nice and lined. Anyone ever run into one of these?

No, not me.


That thing is way cool. Being French, there may be some threading/dimension surprises in store. I would guess, anyway. Didn't they have their own bar sizes, BB threading standards, steerer tube size and threading and other things? At least you won't have to worry about French threaded freewheel -- even if the sprocket is threaded like the very old SA hubs.

All these threading issues reminds me of my first Datsun roadster -- 64 Fair Lady. Some threads were metric, some what we now call SAE and some I couldn't identify which I'd guess were Whitworth. I didn't know about Whitworth back then.

I love the bar on the back of the seat holding up the saddle bag.

edited: Is that 36 spokes in the front and 40 in the rear?

Salubrious 02-03-15 08:22 PM

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It is 36 holes front and rear. Apparently in better shape than I thought- the fenders were filthy but not rusted. Soap and water sorted them out. I like the brake levers- they are hinged to prevent the cable from splitting and failing at the end. The paint is not as good as the fenders but is not bad after cleaning. The pedals have alloy hubs! The seat and kickstand are American made and likely added later. Front hub is a 'New Star'. Not made out what thread is in use but its not British, that's for sure. The Brampton hub and shift both seem to work fine. The rims are a loss- this gives me yet another excuse to make some wheels....http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432333http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432334http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432335http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432336http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432337http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432339http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432340http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432341http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432342http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432343http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432344

I'm guessing its early 60s or late 50s...

Velocivixen 02-03-15 09:14 PM

@Salubrious - really nice lugs & brake levers. What year is this? Date codes? Where'd you find it? Inquiring minds want to know.

Salubrious 02-03-15 09:22 PM

I did a double take driving by a junk shop near where I work. I stopped and took a look- it was parked outside. I've never heard of the brand and a Google search did not reveal very much at all- other than it was likely French with a British hub gear. Due to its rarity I doubt there is a serial number database. No date codes on the Brampton hub- so far- its still pretty dirty. The brake levers take the same sort of cable that you would use with brake levers on dropped bars. The lug work is interesting- windows and all. Not as ornate as Nervex, but pretty ornate for a lowly 3-speed. Its an odd duck. Fairly light as 3-speeds go...

michaelz28 02-03-15 09:37 PM

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it's got glitter grips ?? that seems to be a popular position for the shifter http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432353

gna 02-03-15 10:08 PM


Originally Posted by michaelz28 (Post 17526847)
it's got glitter grips ?? that seems to be a popular position for the shifter http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432353

I'm looking at all the transformers on the shelf...

Salubrious 02-03-15 10:17 PM

I'm thinking the glitter grips aren't original.

I probably spend too much time tinkering with audio gear too.

michaelz28 02-03-15 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 17526927)
I'm thinking the glitter grips aren't original.

possibly , its got chrome fenders ....like a schwinn

desconhecido 02-03-15 10:50 PM

That's a very interesting bike and looks to have serious potential. Do you think the fenders are original? Maybe check to see if the screws holding the braces are 10x24 or something like 5mm X 1. One of my recent Lunesta buys turned out to be a set of metric/SAE thread gauges. They have provided me hours of entertainment sorting some 45 years of collected screws, nuts, and bolts. Beats straightening out bent nails every time.

gster 02-03-15 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by michaelz28 (Post 17526847)
it's got glitter grips ?? that seems to be a popular position for the shifter http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432353

Some limited info on Brampton hubs here:
Brampton main
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432356

wahoonc 02-04-15 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by rhm (Post 17523964)
If this is a 60 year old hub with low miles, as is usually the case, I would not make any hasty judgments about it. What it needs, more than anything, is exercise. The sluggish shifting may fix itself.

Sturmey Archer couldn't figure out where the trigger belonged, so there's no easy answer. Put it where it makes the most sense while you're riding. I like to shift with my finger, but you may prefer to use your thumb. However you like it, that's the right way.

^^^ This

I have a 70's vintage hub that has 35,000+ miles on it that is smooth as can be, I have older hubs that are still stiff due to low mileage. Keep lube in it and ride. Out of the 20 or so S-A IGH bikes I have no two hubs "feel" identical, they all ride similarly though.

Aaron :)

Salubrious 02-04-15 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by desconhecido (Post 17526978)
That's a very interesting bike and looks to have serious potential. Do you think the fenders are original? Maybe check to see if the screws holding the braces are 10x24 or something like 5mm X 1. One of my recent Lunesta buys turned out to be a set of metric/SAE thread gauges. They have provided me hours of entertainment sorting some 45 years of collected screws, nuts, and bolts. Beats straightening out bent nails every time.

The fenders are original. The front has some remnant of a similar decal that shows up on the frame. In addition, it and the rear have custom mounting to pick up the brake mounting bolt. The front also comes to a point similar to most British machines. They are not Schwinn or Wald! I hear ya about the nails- I found two stove bolts installed by prior monkey doctors.

gster 02-04-15 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by wahoonc (Post 17527343)
^^^ This

I have a 70's vintage hub that has 35,000+ miles on it that is smooth as can be, I have older hubs that are still stiff due to low mileage. Keep lube in it and ride. Out of the 20 or so S-A IGH bikes I have no two hubs "feel" identical, they all ride similarly though.

Aaron :)

I agree with Aaron. Of the 20 or so 3 speed hubs that have passed through my hands in the last few years I've only found one that was troublesome. The lubrication on these hubs operates on a total loss system. That is to say the oil you put in (regularly) circulates through the hub as you ride and exits the hub. The oil acts as both a lubricant and a cleaner. Think of your tears and your eyes. Long periods of idleness will cause varnish and sludge to build up. Keep your bikes indoors and during the winter give the wheel a spin on occasion and run through the gears a few times to keep everything moving.

teaboy 02-04-15 10:17 AM

you are absolutely right about the oil. Tears is also a good analogy my old 3 speed has often made we want to cry

Velocivixen 02-04-15 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 17526813)
I did a double take driving by a junk shop near where I work. I stopped and took a look- it was parked outside. I've never heard of the brand and a Google search did not reveal very much at all- other than it was likely French with a British hub gear. Due to its rarity I doubt there is a serial number database. No date codes on the Brampton hub- so far- its still pretty dirty. The brake levers take the same sort of cable that you would use with brake levers on dropped bars. The lug work is interesting- windows and all. Not as ornate as Nervex, but pretty ornate for a lowly 3-speed. Its an odd duck. Fairly light as 3-speeds go...

Interesting about the brake cables. My brake cables are also "road" type, but only the little blob at the lever end is smaller than modern. I'm so excited about this bicycle. Keep posting on it. I might try some sleuthing.

tbo 02-04-15 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by teaboy (Post 17527854)
you are absolutely right about the oil. Tears is also a good analogy my old 3 speed has often made we want to cry

:lol:

michaelz28 02-04-15 12:37 PM

I didn't mean the fenders were schwinn , I meant glitter grips and chrome fenders LIKE a schwinn .

forestine 02-04-15 01:43 PM

That Rivi is really cool! Is it weird that I love the glitter grips? The "speedy switch" is neat, too.

thumpism 02-04-15 03:40 PM

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I apologize for the long post, but you guys might find it of interest.

Here's an intro to my Raleigh 3-speed fleet. I grew up on a Schwinn 3-speed, a '60 Corvete that got me through years of paper route and the Cycling merit badge in Boy Scouts. Came back to bikes after the first few years of a driver's license but was primarily interested in derailleur bikes in my shop mechanic, commuting and touring days.

Eugene, the Sports men's 23" in brown, was the first one and was found while I still was repping in the bike biz. SA '74 hub date. This was at the shop of one of my dealers and I traded him some of my sample goods for it. 23" frames are hard to come by on these bad boys so I was happy to find it. It only needed tires but I added the Pletscher for utility, platform pedals for fit and all-weather commuting grip, blinky lights and the Greenfield rear stand. I also have some blaze orange dumpster-found Kangaroo Baggs slingover rear panniers that I use on it. The license sticker from Eugene (Oregon, presumably) is how he got his name. The Y2K COMPLIANT sticker came from my first IT job after going back to school. Anthem Healthcare rotated its desktop machines every three years and I got some of these stickers off pre-2000 machines that were coming out of service. Seems to suit this bike perfectly. I use my old Brooks Pro on it. I tried B66 and B72 saddles but like the fit and feel of this one. Note the Nexus 24T rear cog. Slips right on. Bike came with an 18T and I later found one of the rare 22T cogs at one of my dealers' stores but still wanted lower gearing. Even my derailleur bikes are geared way down. I'm an old fart and a spinner, not a masher.

Cathy is the next one and she is a sad story. Sports ladies' 19" in blue with SA '78 hub date. Shortly after I got Eugene I was riding in my old neighborhood and a neighbor opined that she'd like to have a ladies' frame 3-speed and I told her I'd be on the lookout for one. Found this at a yard sale about a mile from home and the bike SPARKLED. I swear, it was a 20-year-old bike that looked like it had never once been outside. The lady wanted $25.00 for it. I asked if she'd take twenty for it and she said, "Yeah, I'll take twenty-four." "No, no, I said...TWENTY...FOR...IT." She stuck to $24 so I rode home and got the money and paid her, took the bike home, gave it the once over and delivered it to neighbor Cathy, who was overjoyed but was never once seen riding it after that. Oh, well. Flash forward to last year when I had reason to visit Cathy and her hubby at their new place. Spotted the poor little bike leaning against the fence in their back yard, in the snow, and nearly cried. They gave it to me just to get rid of it. It is badly weathered but basically sound. I'd planned to take its Weinmann alloy levers and calipers to replace the steelies on Eugene for more enjoyable riding and then donate the remainder to the local coop, but I'll probably fix it up for my wife if she is interested. If not, I'll flip it. No hurry. Does anyone recognize the shop sticker? Peddler Multi Speed Bicycles, Plano at Buckingham, 783-4007. Let me know if you know the shop. I Googled the intersection and one exists in Richardson TX.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432464http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432465http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432466http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432467http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432468http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432469http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432470http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432471http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432472http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432473
The last one is Pearl, found at the curb on trash day in Wake Forest NC during my last year of repping before returning to school, and this one has a shop story. Sports ladies' 23" green with a '69 SA hub date, another rare bird and one I'm keeping for the day when I can no longer swing a leg over Eugene and need a step-through frame. I'm anticipating riding well into my dotage. Bike is complete but was boxed up for storage in the garage and I yanked it out strictly for these photos, so disregard missing parts. This one is from Cycles & Sports in Washington DC. I'd called on this shop while repping and at the time it was the oldest continuously original-family ownership shop in the U.S., according to owner Pearl, an old lady then and the daughter of the founder. The shop had sold by the time I found the bike so I never got to show Pearl the bike from her store, but named it for her.

Last photo is not a bike, but is a pic of the Holy Grail of Raleigh tools, two Snap-On Whitworth box end wrenches, 3/16" and 1/4" on the small one and 1/4" and 5/16" on the large. I actually used these at the shop where I learned my bike wrenching chops, Dee's Bicycles in Richmond VA, later known as Two Wheel Travel. Used these occasionally when there and when Dee closed down a decade ago and sold everything off these were the only things I really wanted. When speaking with another Dee's grad a little later he said was going to go get these and when I told him I'd already bought them, he gave me the highest compliment you can receive in in such a situation, "You rotten bastard."

Sixty Fiver 02-04-15 04:34 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 17525945)
Ah, the secret is out! Sixty Fiver, you can be my personal mechanic and enabler any day of the week. But I'm not moving to Edmonton anytime soon! ;)

(And you are actually member number 22. ;) )

Shouldn't I be member 00 ?

:D

adventurepdx 02-04-15 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 17528863)
Shouldn't I be member 00 ? :D

If you come to Pepin this year, sure.

michaelz28 02-04-15 04:45 PM

Welcome #thumpism . I also have a coffee 23 in sports . I pulled it out of a dumpster. Good stories . Nice spanners also . How tall are you ? That seat post is up there for a 23 " . I'm 6'1" and my post is less than half that height

Salubrious 02-04-15 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 17528878)
If you come to Pepin this year, sure.

I'm bringing my Humbers to that one!!

thumpism 02-04-15 07:29 PM

michaelz28,
That post is at a comfy height for me. I used to be 6'1" with a 34" inseam and most of my road bikes are 62-64CM or 24-25". I seem to be shrinking in my old age but the standover height on these bikes still feels right and I have not yet adjusted my seats downward.

Good on your for saving your Sports.

michaelz28 02-04-15 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 17529245)
michaelz28,
That post is at a comfy height for me. I used to be 6'1" with a 34" inseam and most of my road bikes are 62-64CM or 24-25". I seem to be shrinking in my old age but the standover height on these bikes still feels right and I have not yet adjusted my seats downward.

Good on your for saving your Sports.

gravity sucks for me too . my sports . it went into the green storage box with the open lid with 25 miles ..http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432522

adventurepdx 02-04-15 09:43 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 17528919)
I'm bringing my Humbers to that one!!

How many is that?

Salubrious 02-04-15 09:54 PM

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I have a pair- a Gent's and a Lady's.http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432536http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432537http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432538

thumpism 02-05-15 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by michaelz28 (Post 17529312)
gravity sucks for me too . my sports . it went into the green storage box with the open lid with 25 miles ..http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=432522

Yours looks to be in better shape than mine. I do not mind some scratched paint and some dents on this one since I bought it to ride and parked it at school daily. Some stuff I buy I want to be pristine, but things that will be used and lived with are better off pre-patina-ed. I'd feel bad if the nice stuff took a beating on my watch.

Salubrious 02-05-15 11:42 AM

Since the Riva-Sport appears to be French I have started a separate thread:

http://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...t-3-speed.html


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