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BigChief 11-02-16 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19165358)
Did a quick search, it's a 72. Perfect as mine is a 73. I wouldn't want to lose the pump pegs.

Went out to the barn and checked my 72 roadster. It has gold bands. For some reason I thought they changed to silver at some point. Still, the 23" frame could be as old as 1969 judging from the transfers I see in the picture.

9volt 11-02-16 07:49 PM


Originally Posted by Dsprok (Post 19165348)
Re. the Evans, I see SA stamped into the pulley clamp & Brampton on the BB lockring.
Nice pictures.

Glad you like the pics. I think that SA and Brampton are the manufacturers of those parts and not necessarily the whole bike.

It would be cool to find a bike with a similar dropout and serial number stamping, but so far no dice.

http://www.bikeforums.net/19080218-post11590.html

http://i.imgur.com/lnCUHqH.jpg

3speedslow 11-02-16 08:29 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19165441)
Went out to the barn and checked my 72 roadster. It has gold bands. For some reason I thought they changed to silver at some point. Still, the 23" frame could be as old as 1969 judging from the transfers I see in the picture.

Heck, A 69 would be fine with me too ! I already had a good bit of miles on a bike by that year.

agmetal 11-02-16 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19152653)
I estimate this job at around 10 hours. (that's with the shop I have) I love a challenge but if I were you, I'd go for this one, that's going begging at $40 on fleabay. Ends tomorrow 9:00 est
Antique Raleigh Sturmey Archer 2 speed antique bicycle shifter | eBay


I missed that one, along with the other one the same seller had, but I did win this one this afternoon:
I'll probably still try to build one, though :thumb:

BigChief 11-02-16 10:58 PM

Wow, that one's perfect. You got a good deal. As cool as a hand made one would be, an original would be preferable for a restoration IMO.

agmetal 11-03-16 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19165747)
Wow, that one's perfect. You got a good deal. As cool as a hand made one would be, an original would be preferable for a restoration IMO.

Agreed, but I'm not doing a restoration. This is a frame that was built locally less than 3 years ago. I'm just building it up with a lot of influence taken from my old Raleigh, and I just like how the quadrant shifter looks, and I've gotten comfortable with actually using it while riding.

9volt 11-03-16 04:23 PM

I found a Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix today. It has an SA FM 4 speed. Do these 4 speeds take the same oil as SA 3 speeds?

The hub is dated 1958, but the graphics on this bike don't match other 58s that I've found. Were these graphics available in 58?

Here are some pics:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-zkGHGxUX6M...723-727648.JPG

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-NDrTu9I__g...730-730593.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YYofZ271CT...731-731989.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eVsTrFPvla...724-729073.JPG

9volt 11-03-16 04:24 PM

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-iEZT9-Mfaa...729-793543.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aM07IhqhzL...728-795027.JPG

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-oKVF05H_Nt...725-796307.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BhCcnY44sF...727-797574.JPG

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-H0V-GWEV0k...732-792272.JPG

3speedslow 11-03-16 04:42 PM

Wow, that's quite the find! Hope you remove that chain stay crushing kickstand and put a proper one on it.

The paint is well preserved, so are the decals. Look forward to more pics and info when you find out.

noglider 11-03-16 05:19 PM

That's a pretty special bike, @9volt. But as it's a 4-speed, you have to start your own thread. (Just kidding.)

9volt 11-03-16 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19167572)
as it's a 4-speed

It seemed close enough, I was hoping no one would mind :) Isn't it technically a 10 speed though? There is an empty downtube shifter boss and from what I've read these would have come with F/R derailleurs.

The kickstand is going away asap.

nlerner 11-03-16 06:16 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19167634)
It seemed close enough, I was hoping no one would mind :) Isn't it technically a 10 speed though? There is an empty downtube shifter boss and from what I've read these would have come with F/R derailleurs.

Yeah, that FM hub is definitely not original equipment. Have you read Peter Kohler's article on the Raleigh Lentons? He has lots of description of various changes and models over the years.

3speedslow 11-03-16 06:29 PM

Now that I look over the frame, it does look like it has been changed around. Still a nice find !

BigChief 11-03-16 06:57 PM

Beautiful bike! I think the FM hub is a perfect fit here. My experience with those old time derailleurs is pretty limited, but not good. Especially the ones with the seat tube mounted rods for the front. If I had a 10 speed bike like this, I'd change it to an FM...if I could find one. Congrats on a super find

thumpism 11-04-16 05:46 AM

Just showed up on CL this morning, a rare ladies' 23" Sports. I already have one like it but this one is older and has the rack and the neat pedals, plus sparkly grips!

Women's Vintage Raleigh Road Bike

Women's Vintage Raleigh Road Bike - $80

https://images.craigslist.org/01010_...y9_600x450.jpg

make / manufacturer: Raleigh

This is a Women's vintage Raleigh three speed road bike. It is super cute and fun to ride around town. It does need a new rear tire and tube (or maybe just a patch), but as soon as that's done, it's ready to get on the road!!

$80 obo

BigChief 11-04-16 07:18 AM

Whoa! I'm seeing a cable and bell crank on the NDS of that hub. And I think I see the 5 speed transfer on the downtube. That's a lady's Sprite. If I lived anywhere near close, I'd be on my way there with 80 bucks right now. The hub alone is worth twice the price.

thumpism 11-04-16 09:32 AM

Damn, dude, don't make me buy another bike.

3speedslow 11-04-16 11:23 AM

Well, what are those racks going for ?

thumpism 11-04-16 11:45 AM

I would not buy it to part out. I'll leave that for others to do. I'd buy it to have intact, and simply brought up to ride-ready status. Black grips, maybe.

Salubrious 11-04-16 12:01 PM


Originally Posted by 9volt (Post 19167448)
I found a Raleigh Lenton Grand Prix today. It has an SA FM 4 speed. Do these 4 speeds take the same oil as SA 3 speeds?

Nice!

4-speed use the same oil as 3 speeds.

The best way to set the toggle chain is in first gear. There should be no slack but not exceptionally tight either- low should be easy to get into. You might have to pedal it to go into low, but it should go easily and the shifter should be able to hold it there. The setting is a bit trickier than the usual AW. But the hubs hold up well.

BTW- beware that the indicator rod exiting the hub on the left side is not loose!! If it goes missing you're really going to hate it.

BigChief 11-04-16 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19169266)
I would not buy it to part out. I'll leave that for others to do. I'd buy it to have intact, and simply brought up to ride-ready status. Black grips, maybe.

I don't like parting out either. It's just that I'd love an S5 hub for my roadster. I put a bid on one once. Quit at $75. It sold for somewhere over 150 and that was without the bell crank. So yeah, it would end up back on CL with an AW hub asking 80. In any case, that should be a 200+ dollar bike.

3speedslow 11-04-16 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 19169266)
I would not buy it to part out. I'll leave that for others to do. I'd buy it to have intact, and simply brought up to ride-ready status. Black grips, maybe.

I wouldn't part it out either, just liberate the rack. Plus take that kickstand off, maybe replace it with a friendlier one and get those Schwinn grips off for some black ones. Then clean up and send it out.

dweenk 11-04-16 02:36 PM

I have a friend in Richmond - the city of old 3 (and 5) speed Raleighs. He has bought a bike for me before, and I just gave his wife a pristine Peugeot mixte. I don't need another bike, but I am tempted.

Update - I just called my friend and asked him to buy it for me if it is still for sale.

3speedslow 11-04-16 04:08 PM

I think this is the winter I am going to switch the steel rims on the 3 speed for some aluminium ones. The original wheels look brand new so I will reuse the spokes and just move them and hubs over to the CR-18 36 hole ones offered by QBP... fun project.

BigChief 11-04-16 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 19169720)
I have a friend in Richmond - the city of old 3 (and 5) speed Raleighs. He has bought a bike for me before, and I just gave his wife a pristine Peugeot mixte. I don't need another bike, but I am tempted.

Update - I just called my friend and asked him to buy it for me if it is still for sale.

I hope the deal comes through for you. A couple years ago I bought a 21" S5 Sprite for 250. A bit under the usual price since it was missing it's Brooks saddle and rear rack. Once I had the shifters worked out, I fell in love with the S5. It solves every complaint I have about the AW. Great hub and this bike looks to be in pretty good shape. Only missing the saddle and hand grips as far as I can see from the picture.

dweenk 11-05-16 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19169926)
I hope the deal comes through for you. A couple years ago I bought a 21" S5 Sprite for 250. A bit under the usual price since it was missing it's Brooks saddle and rear rack. Once I had the shifters worked out, I fell in love with the S5. It solves every complaint I have about the AW. Great hub and this bike looks to be in pretty good shape. Only missing the saddle and hand grips as far as I can see from the picture.

Well, the ad was taken down when I had a chance to check this afternoon. That means my friend was either a)able to get the bike or b)too late. I'll know later when he calls.

thumpism 11-05-16 05:49 PM

Good luck. I got no response to my email after BigChief shamed me into giving it a try.

SirMike1983 11-05-16 07:57 PM

Warm dry weather this fall here in Virginia. Today was nice. I took a ride down to the local nature area. The leaves really are turning now.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-X2mzr7R1Q...105_165616.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Qb-k4a_Gw...105_165633.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-_Ciq_Cae-...105_165627.jpg

Dsprok 11-05-16 10:21 PM


Originally Posted by Velocivixen (Post 18465087)
@BigChief - I bought that exact brake for my Raleigh Twenty, switched the pinch bolt so the cable would come up from the bottom. As you noted the angle of the cable is off plus you can't open the caliper all the way because the arm hits part of the pinch bolt pieces. I ended up putting those brakes on the Raleigh Sport I traded with @gugie and also provided him with the original brakes.

I had gugie remove brake mounting plate on the R20 and braze on a real seat stay bridge at a lower level so I could use modern brakes.
@gster - I've seen gliders on my local CL at times. They look interesting. I believe I've read here that Raleigh made them for a Canadian department store, no?

The Canadian department store was Eatons.
They were huge in Canada for around a century.
Went bankrupt a couple decades ago.

dweenk 11-06-16 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19169926)
I hope the deal comes through for you. A couple years ago I bought a 21" S5 Sprite for 250. A bit under the usual price since it was missing it's Brooks saddle and rear rack. Once I had the shifters worked out, I fell in love with the S5. It solves every complaint I have about the AW. Great hub and this bike looks to be in pretty good shape. Only missing the saddle and hand grips as far as I can see from the picture.

Wow. My friend bought the bike for less than the asking price. He said that the paint is in very good shape except for the head tube (maybe a basket brace abraded it there). He will bring it to me in December when he visits his parents if I am unable to get to Richmond before then.

I am looking forward to working with an S5 hub, and I have a Velo Orange Model 5 sprung saddle and original Raleigh black grips waiting for it.


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