My experience is also that the Westrick rims with the matte raised center ridge hold up better and are more rust resistant. They lasted through at least the late 1950s on standard pattern bikes, later on specialty export models. My 1958 Sports came with them stock, as did my 1964 Danish-export Dawn Tourist.
1964 Dawn Tourist rim: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BK7urL8pl...0/IMG_2956.JPG 1964 Dawn Tourist for the Danish market: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XVlWdiv7g...0/IMG_2951.JPG https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5ZSev8tVa...0/IMG_2952.JPG |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 19264969)
I've straightened a few soft steel cranks with the mallet/blocks thing 'in situ'. I also have a 16" adjustable wrench that allows you to push and pull the ring into alignment. No I don't worry about the hard steel BB's on these bikes, I find they tolerate the abuse. I guess it depends on the bike. It's easier than truing a wheel
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I plan to regrease the bottom bracket on the Sprite, so I may as well pull the chainwheel. I have a vise with wooden jaws, so I can give lots of support to the area in question.
BYW, the bike has a shop sticker on it that reads "Dieners, Pottstown, PA". |
I've straightened many crank arms over the years but only 2 chainwheels. Both were the standard Raleigh spoked type not heron wheels. The bench vise method did work, but I'm very interested in what clubman said about tweeking the wheel with a large wrench while it was mounted on the BB. You could just spin the crank and make adjustments by eye. I'm going to try this next time. I spent a long time getting those to lie flat on the surface plate. Bending it with a wrench would be far more efficient and may work just as well.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 19265267)
My experience is also that the Westrick rims with the matte raised center ridge hold up better and are more rust resistant. They lasted through at least the late 1950s on standard pattern bikes, later on specialty export models. My 1958 Sports came with them stock, as did my 1964 Danish-export Dawn Tourist.
1964 Dawn Tourist rim: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BK7urL8pl...0/IMG_2956.JPG 1964 Dawn Tourist for the Danish market: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XVlWdiv7g...0/IMG_2951.JPG https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5ZSev8tVa...0/IMG_2952.JPG |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19266423)
I've straightened many crank arms over the years but only 2 chainwheels. Both were the standard Raleigh spoked type not heron wheels. The bench vise method did work, but I'm very interested in what clubman said about tweeking the wheel with a large wrench while it was mounted on the BB. You could just spin the crank and make adjustments by eye. I'm going to try this next time. I spent a long time getting those to lie flat on the surface plate. Bending it with a wrench would be far more efficient and may work just as well.
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Just finished restoring my Huffy yesterday:
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Got er' done just in time for the winter solstice.
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1960 Raleigh Sports with 6 speed conversion. Except for the grips it is ready. Also, this bike has the Westrick rims as noted in the previous post.
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Originally Posted by 2cam16
(Post 19268376)
Just finished restoring my Huffy yesterday:
http://i67.tinypic.com/65zhfq.jpg |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 19268459)
Really nice work, best $10 Huffy I've ever seen. Don't forget to drizzle lots-o-oil into the rear brake housing. Water likes to get in there causing seizures.:eek:
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Okay, so it's not English, but German. However it is a 3-speed. Actually, it's kinda like two 3-speeds.
Vintage German Westfalen tandem cruiser bicycle Vintage German Westfalen tandem cruiser bicycle - $500 (Williamsburg) https://images.craigslist.org/01313_...K_1200x900.jpg condition: excellent make / manufacturer: Westfallen model name / number: Top Modell size / dimensions: 22" front post 21" rear post Reluctantly selling my 1980's Westfalen Top Modell tandem bike. This tandem is in beautiful condition, new tires and tubes, freshly tuned and ready to ride. Features a Sachs 3 speed coaster brake hub, dual Aero Continental cranksets, front and rear Weinmann side pull brakes, Pletscher rack, full lighting, chrome fenders, 26" CST Classic E-Bike tires with reflective sidewall. 22" / 21" frame that sports the original air pump, original tool kit, and a rear wheel lock built into the frame. Built and sold in Germany to a high standard with detail and aesthetics that are rare anymore and hard to find. This is a gorgeous bike that rides perfectly. I collect, restore and ride vintage bikes and consider this one of my best but it does not get ridden like it should! The bike is perfect for rides on the Capitol bike trail, Colonial Parkway, the oceanfront, or around Richmond. May consider trades of quality men's mountain bike MTB or road bike. |
Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 19265267)
My experience is also that the Westrick rims with the matte raised center ridge hold up better and are more rust resistant. They lasted through at least the late 1950s on standard pattern bikes, later on specialty export models. My 1958 Sports came with them stock, as did my 1964 Danish-export Dawn Tourist.
Any idea how to rechrome that type of rim and retain the satin centre? The fellow in Greece has a couple of NOS ones but chroming might be cheaper! |
old Raleigh rims
I looked through old photos that I took when I acquired a couple bikes about two years ago. One is a 51 Sports
step through the other is a 56 21" Sports. There is definitely a difference between the rims on the 51 and the 56. This first picture shows, from left to right, 590 CR18, 51 Sports front wheel, 56 Sports rear wheel, two 79 Sturmey Archer rims from a 79 Sports http://fatollie.com/rims/rim1.jpg The difference between the 51 and the 56 rims is readily apparent. They don't appear to me to be the same alloy though they seem to be the same extrusion (or however the flat rim stock is formed) which is clearly different in shape from the 79 rims, though that may not be obvious in the photo. Of course, the obvious difference is how corrosion resistant the 51 rim seems as opposed to the 56. Here's a pretty clear photo of the 51 rim which shows the raised center section which is, I believe etched perhaps mechanically. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim5.jpg Here's a photo of the 56 which, for some reason, didn't come out as clear. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim2.jpg The brand stamping is not nearly as clear and though the raised center is sort of a matte finish, it is not nearly as distinct as the 51. Interesting, the "registration" number on the 56 rims is the same as that on the 51 rims, so it seems that Raleigh considered to be identical, though they were clearly not. Here's a picture of the weld joint on the 51 rim that was in the above pictures http://fatollie.com/rims/rim6.jpg There is very little corrosion and the workmanship/machining is, by Raleigh standards, extraordinary. This rim did not get any work other than just wiping the grease off with a rag. No steel wool or wire brushing or oxalic acid treatment -- just degreasing. I don't know anything about what alloy they used back then, but it wasn't, in my opinion, what the were using in 56 and the difference compared to the mid to late 70s is obvious. Here are the 56 rims earlier today http://fatollie.com/rims/rim8.jpg Apparently I cleaned these up with oxalic acid as there are still traces of that yellow crud that gets left behind. The chrome is mostly intact, except for the brake surfaces all the way around both rims. Note that the center section on the rim is a matte finish but, to my eye, not the same as on the earlier rims. All considered, these rims actually cleaned up reasonably well. But, I'll never use them. If anybody can use them, they can have them for the cost of shipping, or for free in Houston. If they prove useful, I'd accept some random Raleigh/three speed stuff considered by the recipient to be of equal value. No considered value, no charge. Specifics: 56 Raleigh EA3 rims cleaned with oxalic acid. 40h and 32h. |
Originally Posted by 2cam16
(Post 19268376)
Just finished restoring my Huffy yesterday:
http://i67.tinypic.com/65zhfq.jpg |
Originally Posted by desconhecido
(Post 19269372)
I looked through old photos that I took when I acquired a couple bikes about two years ago. One is a 51 Sports
step through the other is a 56 21" Sports. There is definitely a difference between the rims on the 51 and the 56. This first picture shows, from left to right, 590 CR18, 51 Sports front wheel, 56 Sports rear wheel, two 79 Sturmey Archer rims from a 79 Sports http://fatollie.com/rims/rim1.jpg The difference between the 51 and the 56 rims is readily apparent. They don't appear to me to be the same alloy though they seem to be the same extrusion (or however the flat rim stock is formed) which is clearly different in shape from the 79 rims, though that may not be obvious in the photo. Of course, the obvious difference is how corrosion resistant the 51 rim seems as opposed to the 56. Here's a pretty clear photo of the 51 rim which shows the raised center section which is, I believe etched perhaps mechanically. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim5.jpg Here's a photo of the 56 which, for some reason, didn't come out as clear. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim2.jpg The brand stamping is not nearly as clear and though the raised center is sort of a matte finish, it is not nearly as distinct as the 51. Interesting, the "registration" number on the 56 rims is the same as that on the 51 rims, so it seems that Raleigh considered to be identical, though they were clearly not. Here's a picture of the weld joint on the 51 rim that was in the above pictures http://fatollie.com/rims/rim6.jpg There is very little corrosion and the workmanship/machining is, by Raleigh standards, extraordinary. This rim did not get any work other than just wiping the grease off with a rag. No steel wool or wire brushing or oxalic acid treatment -- just degreasing. I don't know anything about what alloy they used back then, but it wasn't, in my opinion, what the were using in 56 and the difference compared to the mid to late 70s is obvious. Here are the 56 rims earlier today http://fatollie.com/rims/rim8.jpg Apparently I cleaned these up with oxalic acid as there are still traces of that yellow crud that gets left behind. The chrome is mostly intact, except for the brake surfaces all the way around both rims. Note that the center section on the rim is a matte finish but, to my eye, not the same as on the earlier rims. All considered, these rims actually cleaned up reasonably well. But, I'll never use them. If anybody can use them, they can have them for the cost of shipping, or for free in Houston. If they prove useful, I'd accept some random Raleigh/three speed stuff considered by the recipient to be of equal value. No considered value, no charge. Specifics: 56 Raleigh EA3 rims cleaned with oxalic acid. 40h and 32h.
Originally Posted by markk900
(Post 19268987)
I have those rims on my 1949 Humber, and for the most part they are in excellent shape, except the brake surfaces were quite worn and rusty. Cleaned them up and they work as well as can be expected, and I bought some replacement CR18s for when I eventually replace them, but the trainspotter in me thinks the rim profile and the matt centre are details too nice to lose.
Any idea how to rechrome that type of rim and retain the satin centre? The fellow in Greece has a couple of NOS ones but chroming might be cheaper! What I do when they're like that is clean up the brake with WD-40 and bronze wool or a bronze/brass bristle brush and just run them as is. If the brake track wear is through the plating but not through the base steel, I consider it "honest wear" and just ride them as they stand. |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19269535)
Wow, that came out nice. Good job. What a good rags to riches story :thumb:
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 19269563)
Neat- sent you a PM about these. I am interested.
What I do when they're like that is clean up the brake with WD-40 and bronze wool or a bronze/brass bristle brush and just run them as is. If the brake track wear is through the plating but not through the base steel, I consider it "honest wear" and just ride them as they stand. Typically I would clean something like this with 0000 or 00000 steel wool wetted with WD40. With the really fine steel wool, it won't scratch the surface much, particularly if gently done. I like the really fine steel wool for polishing aluminum also. 0000 with Mother's and then just Mother's and it makes short work of it so long as there were no flaws that had to be sanded out. |
I'm starting work on a 56 hub date Robin Hood that's had a poor black repaint some time in the past. Thinking about doing a DIY repaint on this one since the paint isn't great and there are so many black 3 speeds out there. Do you guys want to see in progress pics?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0DxqQESOUI...420-755824.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kDVjVQrKah...470-766643.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-slap9rdZKQ...428-758382.JPG http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b_we8qm3LU...467-760631.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GAPWosiBCr...469-763582.JPG http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pLkMb8lCkn...471-702638.JPG |
Originally Posted by 9volt
(Post 19271820)
I'm starting work on a 56 hub date Robin Hood that's had a poor black repaint some time in the past. Thinking about doing a DIY repaint on this one since the paint isn't great and there are so many black 3 speeds out there. Do you guys want to see in progress pics?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0DxqQESOUI...420-755824.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kDVjVQrKah...470-766643.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-slap9rdZKQ...428-758382.JPG http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b_we8qm3LU...467-760631.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GAPWosiBCr...469-763582.JPG |
Originally Posted by 9volt
(Post 19271820)
I'm starting work on a 56 hub date Robin Hood that's had a poor black repaint some time in the past. Thinking about doing a DIY repaint on this one since the paint isn't great and there are so many black 3 speeds out there. Do you guys want to see in progress pics?
I also like the Terry (?) mattress saddle if it's not too beat. Otherwise a Brooks will do. |
Originally Posted by 9volt
(Post 19271820)
I'm starting work on a 56 hub date Robin Hood that's had a poor black repaint some time in the past. Thinking about doing a DIY repaint on this one since the paint isn't great and there are so many black 3 speeds out there. Do you guys want to see in progress pics?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0DxqQESOUI...420-755824.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kDVjVQrKah...470-766643.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-slap9rdZKQ...428-758382.JPG http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-b_we8qm3LU...467-760631.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GAPWosiBCr...469-763582.JPG http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pLkMb8lCkn...471-702638.JPG |
I think the windowed shifter is also correct for 56. There is a lug on the drive chain stay near the kick stand. Would that be for an enclosed guard?
It's being very cooperative so far. Pins only needed a rubber mallet to be convinced to come out and the BB looks good. Someone painted over the fixed cup and it's cranky but I think I'll just clean it from the other side. Stem bolt head is a bit stripped. Probably going to file it down to resurface the flats. Is it ok to post this stuff here or should I start a project thread? http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uaTTmvblDN...475-757524.JPG http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-pDBLzpzZAE...der-760332.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xj_3s9h1G7...der-762723.jpg |
Here is just fine. It's where the love is.
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Well it looks like the fork is shot. It's unfortunate, the lugs on this one were kind of interesting. There is a dent near the top on the wheel side in this pic and then 1-2 smaller ones lower down the arm.
I have a some road forks that might be the right length. Is it likely one of those would work on this thing until a decent Raleigh fork turns up? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-abc7RMubpS...478-767081.JPG |
Originally Posted by 9volt
(Post 19272055)
Well it looks like the fork is shot. It's unfortunate, the lugs on this one were kind of interesting. There is a dent near the top on the wheel side in this pic and then 1-2 smaller ones lower down the arm.
I have a some road forks that might be the right length. Is it likely one of those would work on this thing until a decent Raleigh fork turns up? http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-abc7RMubpS...478-767081.JPG |
I'm not that familiar with how much damage a steel for can take and still be safe. If the dents are not a big deal I'll keep going on the RH. lf the fork is toast I'd do this Raleigh Sports step through instead. Any preferences?
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Originally Posted by 9volt
(Post 19272133)
lf the fork is toast I'd do this Raleigh Sports step through instead. Any preferences?
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If the fork tracks fine, I would trust it. Dents and dimples aren't likely to affect the integrity of those forks.
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Originally Posted by 9volt
(Post 19272133)
I'm not that familiar with how much damage a steel for can take and still be safe. If the dents are not a big deal I'll keep going on the RH. lf the fork is toast I'd do this Raleigh Sports step through instead. Any preferences?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wxmb4KcBjj...480-700459.JPG http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D47TxPBtiR...482-797121.JPG http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uo3dNR4Jxi...481-798666.JPG |
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Since you're repainting, you could replace the forks. If you do, take care to preserve the chrome crown cap. It is pretty much irreplaceable. I think it will fit a more modern Raleigh fork crown. In later years, Raleigh used the standard plain chrome cap on Robin Hoods. Like this one.
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