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clubman 01-12-18 02:01 PM

@68sd So are these both Canadian models with 622mm bead tires?(700c/28 x 1 1/2)
Where do you live?

68sd 01-12-18 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20106329)
@68sd So are these both Canadian models with 622mm bead tires?(700c/28 x 1 1/2)
Where do you live?

Yes , though im still hoping to learn more on the blue mens, it seemed like a odd bike to me.
i believe they are both Canadian's.The ladies says Canadian on the seat tube.
They were both found in the Toronto area.

johnnyspaghetti 01-12-18 02:29 PM

That camel back bike has a fork that is really hung out there

clubman 01-12-18 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by 68sd (Post 20106359)
Yes , though im still hoping to learn more on the blue mens, it seemed like a odd bike to me.
i believe they are both Canadian's.The ladies says Canadian on the seat tube.
They are located in the Toronto area, i found them both local.

I don't think there's much to figure out, except it's kinda rare that close to the war. Raleigh sold a lot of camel back bikes here in the 'Dominion' over the years. There's a 54 Canadian Catalogue on the Headbadge with your womens frame.

And is 'the year 51 stamped on the BF hub? Or the license plate?

68sd 01-12-18 02:53 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20106435)
I don't think there's much to figure out, except it's kinda rare that close to the war. Raleigh sold a lot of camel back bikes here in the 'Dominion' over the years. There's a 54 Canadian Catalogue on the Headbadge with your womens frame.

And is 'the year 51 stamped on the BF hub? Or the license plate?


the rear hub has 51 on it , the gentleman i bought it from told me he bought it used in 1962 to mount to his camper to take with him when he camped across canada .He put it in his shed in 1975 and it stayed there until last summer, we were talking about old cars and i told him i liked old bikes as well, so he pulled it out of storage,it was so barn fresh i had to buy it from him just to see it onthe road again.

it came to me exactly as it is in the photo, except it had no chainguard, i put this guard for now,

clubman 01-12-18 09:23 PM

I think it's spectacular looking. Like the ride?

johnnyspaghetti 01-12-18 09:32 PM

Large frame $10 on offerup 70's something

https://offerup.com/item/detail/3537...?ref=Explore_K

https://d2j6tswx2otu6e.cloudfront.ne...9bd7fe9151.jpg

68sd 01-13-18 07:23 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20107101)
I think it's spectacular looking. Like the ride?

Actually yes its a great bike to ride , i especially love the stopping power of the drum brakes over regular caliper brakes.
Its strange seeing the wheel that far forward when your riding it but it feels long and low , its a very smooth ride compared to my others.

markk900 01-13-18 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by 68sd (Post 20107460)
Actually yes its a great bike to ride , i especially love the stopping power of the drum brakes over regular caliper brakes.
Its strange seeing the wheel that far forward when your riding it but it feels long and low , its a very smooth ride compared to my others.

I'll bet that long wheelbase and inherent flex in the fork raked out like that helps the ride. The license on it reminds me that most Ontario towns had similar style licensing when I was growing up.

I am surprised though that such an early one doesn't have a brazed on mount for the pulley. Is it possible it was a single speed Canadian converted to 3-speed later?

markk900 01-13-18 07:55 AM

@68sd: BTW - your location reminds me of the breakwall in Whitby....where was the photo taken?

68sd 01-13-18 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20107487)
I'll bet that long wheelbase and inherent flex in the fork raked out like that helps the ride. The license on it reminds me that most Ontario towns had similar style licensing when I was growing up.

I am surprised though that such an early one doesn't have a brazed on mount for the pulley. Is it possible it was a single speed Canadian converted to 3-speed later?

thats interesting , ill have to look for the serial #

BigChief 01-13-18 08:39 AM

Another thing. The L shaped seat post was long gone by 1951. Not an expert in pre war Raleighs by any means, but I think there's a chance that this might be a pre war single speed with later hubs. It would be interesting to know if there was any sign on the painted surface of a chainguard ever being there. If there's no trace of one, that would be another pointer to the 1930s.

clubman 01-13-18 08:40 AM

You'll see in the '54 Canadian Catalogue that hub gears and drum brakes were avaiable as options. My wifes Canadian has a TCW but no front brake, yikes. I've never seen a camel back with a braze-on.

markk900 01-13-18 09:37 AM

@clubman is right - in the 54 catalog he refers to, the men's still has the L seat post and if they added the optional 3-sp (TCW) they would have to use a clamp.

68sd 01-13-18 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20107619)
@clubman is right - in the 54 catalog he refers to, the men's still has the L seat post and if they added the optional 3-sp (TCW) they would have to use a clamp.

ive gotten a bit more interested so i pulled it from storage

what i can determine
the frame has the original decals
looks to be the 2030 hi carbon tubing diamond decal style like in the 54 catalogue on the seat tube with raleigh going down the tube.
Im guessing its a 54 model
there is evidence of black paint under the blue, ive seen people talk about this before.

the serial is in on the bottom bracket ,not across it but sideways 31621 and BU under that.
bottom bracket has oiler
the trigger is a later style ,likely 60s.

The rear hub is dated 51-9
is drum brake with hand lever and 3 speed shift

the front is drum with hand lever says 352

gster 01-13-18 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20107535)
Another thing. The L shaped seat post was long gone by 1951. Not an expert in pre war Raleighs by any means, but I think there's a chance that this might be a pre war single speed with later hubs. It would be interesting to know if there was any sign on the painted surface of a chainguard ever being there. If there's no trace of one, that would be another pointer to the 1930s.

That's a good link to the catalogue. Note that the chainguard is an attractive design.
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smudge57 01-13-18 01:44 PM

Sheffield cycle company
 
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hi guys
smudge57 from Yorkshire England, first time on your forum.
i am looking for information if anybody has come across a company who made cycles either pre WW11 or post WW11
i have look for information this side of the pond and have hit a blank.

i have attached the trademark badge.

bit of a shot in the dark but maybe one off you guys can shed some light:foo:

















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SirMike1983 01-13-18 06:24 PM

Cold day for a ride, but worth it.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-dAqOly9v3...113_151011.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7j6qQ41HO...113_150820.jpg

johnnyspaghetti 01-15-18 12:44 PM


Originally Posted by smudge57 (Post 20108025)
hi guys
smudge57 from Yorkshire England, first time on your forum.
i am looking for information if anybody has come across a company who made cycles either pre WW11 or post WW11
i have look for information this side of the pond and have hit a blank.

i have attached the trademark badge.

bit of a shot in the dark but maybe one off you guys can shed some light:foo:

















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I have nothing for you I know 3-speeds are out there although I'm pretty sure this is a generic example of one. Possibly a 1980's

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...433316258.html

tigervw78 01-15-18 03:32 PM

Newbie Here!
 
I've been browsing for months and this is my first login/post. I've mainly ridden folding bikes (xootr,dahon) and road/touring bikes in the past, all for pleasure however. I found the road bikes to be uncomfortable for pleasure riding/commuting, so thought I'd try a vintage upright bike. I overpaid for a pair of his and hers Schwann Suburbans, put on new panaracers and positron cables and enjoyed the ride.

I ran across this forum and decided I had to have a Sports. After lots of CL hunting, I was lucky enough to find a black 72 Sports with a 23" frame in great condition. Paid $80 for it, cleaned it up, flipped the bars, bought some cream delta cruisers and broke the front axle trying to put the tire on because I wasn't aware of the cone design.

Long story kinda shorter, I ordered an axle from eBay, but didn't want to wait that long, so got lucky and found one at the coop. Back on the road in no time. Looking forward to getting more advice from this folks on this forum!

I will post a pic when I figure out how.

roughrider504 01-15-18 03:43 PM

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Picked this gent up a couple weeks ago off CL. Overpaid at $260, but it's mostly all there and I couldn't resist! A decade ago I used to ride an Avon roadster from India and have really missed having one around. Rod brake roadsters are so fun to cruise around the neighborhood.

The hub says '62 but the rest seems to be late 70's, early 80's. No white on the rear fender and a plain reflector mount up front.

BigChief 01-15-18 05:59 PM


Originally Posted by tigervw78 (Post 20111525)
I've been browsing for months and this is my first login/post. I've mainly ridden folding bikes (xootr,dahon) and road/touring bikes in the past, all for pleasure however. I found the road bikes to be uncomfortable for pleasure riding/commuting, so thought I'd try a vintage upright bike. I overpaid for a pair of his and hers Schwann Suburbans, put on new panaracers and positron cables and enjoyed the ride.

I ran across this forum and decided I had to have a Sports. After lots of CL hunting, I was lucky enough to find a black 72 Sports with a 23" frame in great condition. Paid $80 for it, cleaned it up, flipped the bars, bought some cream delta cruisers and broke the front axle trying to put the tire on because I wasn't aware of the cone design.

Long story kinda shorter, I ordered an axle from eBay, but didn't want to wait that long, so got lucky and found one at the coop. Back on the road in no time. Looking forward to getting more advice from this folks on this forum!

I will post a pic when I figure out how.

Welcome! I've been a 3 speed lover for a long time. Always kept one regular bike, but the heard of old English 3 speeds kept growing somehow. They can be additive. The best way to post pictures...and we love pictures here...is to use a hosting service like Flikr. This forum dose have a built in photo upload feature, but it it a bit awkward and impossible to find on your own so here it is.
click " go advanced" button
click the little paper clip icon (a dialog box opens)
click the browse button
click upload button
close the dialog box
click the paper clip icon again and choose "insert"
then submit reply

BigChief 01-15-18 06:17 PM

Speaking of Flickr. I put together a photo album of the best of my original condition Sturmey Archer shifters and a few restoration projects while they were apart.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/150931...57686501575124

noglider 01-15-18 08:01 PM

Welcome, @tigervw78. Please post pictures of your new Sports. I'm glad to hear of your quick repair and that you're enjoying the bike on the road.

tigervw78 01-15-18 08:57 PM

Thanks BigChief! Yea, I've got too many bikes already, and I'm now looking for a green 23" Sports or Superbe! I had setup a photobucket account already, but I didn't realize I have to have 10 posts. Is it ok to just post gibberish until I can post pics : )

tigervw78 01-15-18 08:58 PM

Thanks noglider! I'm not very mechanically inclined, but luckily I joined a coop that has bike mechanics to help instruct us newbies. I'll post a pic as soon as I hit 10.

gster 01-16-18 04:55 AM


Originally Posted by tigervw78 (Post 20112087)
Thanks noglider! I'm not very mechanically inclined, but luckily I joined a coop that has bike mechanics to help instruct us newbies. I'll post a pic as soon as I hit 10.

Once you get the hang of it and some of the subtle nuances of adjusting the hub, these bikes are quite simple to work on.Note that pretty much everything on these bikes is proprietary. Don't throw away a rusty axle nut assuming you'll get a new one at the hardware store.

nlerner 01-16-18 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20111833)
Speaking of Flickr. I put together a photo album of the best of my original condition Sturmey Archer shifters and a few restoration projects while they were apart.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/150931...57686501575124

Nicely done!

BigChief 01-16-18 08:17 AM

Thanks. Some of these old English bike details are so obscure that normal web searches don't turn up much information. A lot of the images and information in my reference collection was obtained from other 3 speeders here at BF and copied to my hard drive for easy reference. Then, they are shared here when the subject comes up. This seems to be the best way of sharing information among the small band of 3 speed enthusiasts.

BigChief 01-16-18 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by roughrider504 (Post 20111555)
Picked this gent up a couple weeks ago off CL. Overpaid at $260, but it's mostly all there and I couldn't resist! A decade ago I used to ride an Avon roadster from India and have really missed having one around. Rod brake roadsters are so fun to cruise around the neighborhood.

The hub says '62 but the rest seems to be late 70's, early 80's. No white on the rear fender and a plain reflector mount up front.

I don't think you overpaid by much. Bargain DL-1s are pretty rare these days. Nice bike! You are correct. The transfers are post 1972, chainwheel post 73 and the rear mudguard lost it's white blaze in 1979. I love these bikes.


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