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arty dave 04-25-18 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20306089)
In addition to everything else you got a fine and unusually dramatic, it being nighttime, bike photo. I like it a lot.

Thanks, it was a total fluke, plus I had help from the sports field floodlights :)


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20307045)
I have to have a 60's DL1

I know I'm probably being greedy, but I'd like a 2nd DL-1. I'll keep looking but I think they're quite rare here (Australia). I'm going to look at a China Post roadster on Saturday, looks just like a 22" DL-1. Not sure what to expect, I've heard quality can vary...

BC I couldn't make it quite to the top before my knee was injured! Besides, you get to see a lot more when you're pushing the bike :)

BrownGW that should be an easy sale, looks to be in top condition. I remember you posting about the clean-up rebuild.

BigChief 04-25-18 06:18 PM

I'm fine with the hockey stick chainguards on DL-1s. Enclosed chaincases are classy but rear wheel removal plenty difficult enough without one.
I have two. I really don't need two, but selling one off just seems to keep getting put on the back burner. Wonder why.



https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/...aff3960f_b.jpg73DL1a by Billy Bones, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/943/4...dac0659b_h.jpgDL-1 Roadster by Billy Bones, on Flickr

gster 04-25-18 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20307396)
Thanks, it was a total fluke, plus I had help from the sports field floodlights :)



I know I'm probably being greedy, but I'd like a 2nd DL-1. I'll keep looking but I think they're quite rare here (Australia). I'm going to look at a China Post roadster on Saturday, looks just like a 22" DL-1. Not sure what to expect, I've heard quality can vary...

BC I couldn't make it quite to the top before my knee was injured! Besides, you get to see a lot more when you're pushing the bike :)

BrownGW that should be an easy sale, looks to be in top condition. I remember you posting about the clean-up rebuild.

Although a visual copy, the Chinese (Flying Pigeons Etc.) are no match for the Raleigh.
They're heavy and cumbersome.
The metal can be soft.
Still, could be part of the fleet...

johnnyspaghetti 04-25-18 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20307418)
I'm fine with the hockey stick chainguards on DL-1s. Enclosed chaincases are classy but rear wheel removal plenty difficult enough without one.
I have two. I really don't need two, but selling one off just seems to keep getting put on the back burner. Wonder why.



https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4319/...aff3960f_b.jpg73DL1a by Billy Bones, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/943/4...dac0659b_h.jpgDL-1 Roadster by Billy Bones, on Flickr

I want the laid back ride. Thats it.

SirMike1983 04-25-18 08:55 PM

A couple shots of a 1941 Schwinn New World 3-speed from this past weekend.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o_UwvQxV5...422_173739.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dqhltkaQF...422_173745.jpg

arty dave 04-25-18 10:41 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20307548)
Although a visual copy, the Chinese (Flying Pigeons Etc.) are no match for the Raleigh.
They're heavy and cumbersome.
The metal can be soft.
Still, could be part of the fleet...

Gster you have an Eastman roadster don't you? Do you think the Indian roadsters are better made or better metal than Chinese roadsters?
Maybe a little closer to a Raleigh? I briefly owned a 22" Burmese roadster but at the time couldn't keep it. It was a cool looking bike but yeah, no match for the Raleigh.

BigChief 04-26-18 03:06 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20307675)
A couple shots of a 1941 Schwinn New World 3-speed from this past weekend.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-o_UwvQxV5...422_173739.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-dqhltkaQF...422_173745.jpg

Those shark fin front fenders are just so cool. Really gave the bike a distinct look. Whoever decided to change to plain janes should have been run out of Chicago.

gster 04-26-18 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20307777)
Gster you have an Eastman roadster don't you? Do you think the Indian roadsters are better made or better metal than Chinese roadsters?
Maybe a little closer to a Raleigh? I briefly owned a 22" Burmese roadster but at the time couldn't keep it. It was a cool looking bike but yeah, no match for the Raleigh.

Good memory!
I have an Eastman Roadster that I originally bought when I realised that I couldn't afford a Pashley Path Racer.
I bought it and modified it to replicate the Pashley.
I bought this before i got into the 3 speeds.
It looks good...
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Rod and lever brakes work as well as they can....
Geometry is very laid back with the front wheel way out front.
It doesn't get much use.
I also have an old (1957?) Flying Pigeon.
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This has drum brakes and is very heavy, no gears...
It doesn't see much use either.
It can only be ridden on level ground.
I still like them both and have had no issues with the quality of the materials used.
This Superbe was my first 3 Speed (since I was a kid) and it's still my everyday bike.
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arty dave 04-26-18 06:01 AM

Yes that's right, the double top bars! I really like that frame with the 2 top bars close together. I didn't realise the bar ends dropped down. And that's why we all need 2 roadsters - 1 path racer 'scorcher', and 1 'full dress' roadster :)
That was the thing with the Burmese roadster too - no gears in a hilly area, and less knowledge at the time about bike tinkerings and internal gears.

Sir Mike what wheel size is the '41 Schwinn New World?

johnnyspaghetti 04-26-18 06:12 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 20306012)
I call it flossing.

Flossing works well...although tiring.

johnnyspaghetti 04-26-18 06:17 AM

Its a beautiful day. Dog gets a ride round lake as yesterday.

paulb_in_bkln 04-26-18 06:29 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20307675)
A couple shots of a 1941 Schwinn New World 3-speed from this past weekend.

I didn't even know about Schwinn's filet brazed bikes when they were in production--just the standard heavyweight models, and the Paramounts. But reading the article on Sheldon's site, they seem like wonderful bikes and it seems a shame that Schwinn didn't highlight them. Could you post some closeups of the '41?

johnnyspaghetti 04-26-18 08:05 AM

Maybe

SirMike1983 04-26-18 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20308033)
I didn't even know about Schwinn's filet brazed bikes when they were in production--just the standard heavyweight models, and the Paramounts. But reading the article on Sheldon's site, they seem like wonderful bikes and it seems a shame that Schwinn didn't highlight them. Could you post some closeups of the '41?

That article is pretty good. It tends to focus on some of the later, "road" bikes from the 10-speed series, but the construction methods are described well. The pre-WWII New World is unique in that it was fillet brazed, but it was not Cro-Mo. They used a "drawn seamless" tubing on the pre-war New World.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FbgT8Mo6f...909_183009.jpg

The New World could come with a US-style one-piece crank, but also could be bought with three-piece cottered cranks. Schwinn was "modern" in its view of branding - that is to say, it put its name everywhere it could. Cranks were stamped "Schwinn" and the chainrings sometimes had the company's initials.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R7GGu-UJo...609_170558.jpg



Graphics:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IZFDgLvsQ...609_170543.jpg



I keep an eye out for reference pictures because I find the Schwinn experiment so interesting. They were trying to sell decent bikes to adults in the 1930s-40s in the US, when the "bike boom" was still a generation away. They couldn't compete with the automobile, especially after the war.

I found pictures of a bare New World frame on the internet, which show the brazing joints nicely:

https://thecabe.com/forum/attachment...nn-jpg.688085/

SirMike1983 04-26-18 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20307895)
Those shark fin front fenders are just so cool. Really gave the bike a distinct look. Whoever decided to change to plain janes should have been run out of Chicago.

Amen on that.

SirMike1983 04-26-18 09:06 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20307985)
Yes that's right, the double top bars! I really like that frame with the 2 top bars close together. I didn't realise the bar ends dropped down. And that's why we all need 2 roadsters - 1 path racer 'scorcher', and 1 'full dress' roadster :)
That was the thing with the Burmese roadster too - no gears in a hilly area, and less knowledge at the time about bike tinkerings and internal gears.

Sir Mike what wheel size is the '41 Schwinn New World?

They're 26 inch, but an odd size - mostly 597mm, but a few of the really early ones from 1939-40 are 599mm. You can use a 597 Schwinn S6 tires on them.

gster 04-26-18 10:20 AM

The Madness MUST Stop!
 
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I've had some trouble with a bad raccoon the last week or so. He thinks my garage is his new home.
It's not.
I decided to do a clean up/purge just so I could find his hiding place.
I moved all the cars and bikes just in case there was another epic battle.
They often don't want to go...
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This doesn't include seven bikes in the shed and one in the house...
I need help.

Ballenxj 04-26-18 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20308386)
I've had some trouble with a bad raccoon the last week or so. He thinks my garage is his new home.
It's not.
I decided to do a clean up/purge just so I could find his hiding place.
I moved all the cars and bikes just in case there was another epic battle.
They often don't want to go...
Attachment 609166

Attachment 609167

This doesn't include seven bikes in the shed and one in the house...
I need help.

Is that a BSA Lightning I see? My friend had one, and rode with me on my old Triumph Bonneville. And, did you rid yourself of the raccoon?

BigChief 04-26-18 02:21 PM

Looks like a fun place to me...well, except for the racoon. A big fat one was making a mess in my barn last year. Peanut butter gets em every time. Caught him in a box trap, drove him 15 miles away and told him that if he ever came back I'd make a hat out of him. Worked. Haven't seen him since.

paulb_in_bkln 04-26-18 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20308386)
I've had some trouble with a bad raccoon the last week or so. He thinks my garage is his new home.
It's not.
I decided to do a clean up/purge just so I could find his hiding place.
I moved all the cars and bikes just in case there was another epic battle.
They often don't want to go...
Attachment 609166

Attachment 609167

This doesn't include seven bikes in the shed and one in the house...
I need help.

Is there some problem we're supposed to be seeing? The raccoons?

browngw 04-26-18 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gster (Post 20307388)
That's a nice bike...
I'd price it at $500.00 (in Toronto).


Not as nice as it appears I'm afraid. Chrome is marginal in spots particularly the front wheel. Paint is 70% Tremclad. If I had not put the Schwalbe Marathons on it, I'd be happy with $150 but the tires were $90 alone. The saddle is a NOS BSA cover (Wrights?) "modificated" to the original Brooks frame. It's fairly comfortable and I used it on "Sir Wayes A. Tonne" (my primary DL1) before I bought a new B67. The down tube has a small ripple at the head tube lug like a hit at some time but the fork seems fine. Rides fine. I'd be happy to see $250.

clubman 04-26-18 02:57 PM

Signage
 
@gster, you seem to have a nice sign collection as well as bikes. Any of those from Honest Eds? :thumb:

gster 04-26-18 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20308867)
@gster, you seem to have a nice sign collection as well as bikes. Any of those from Honest Eds? :thumb:

Good eye. Yes from good ol' Honest Ed's...
A side note.
I used to work there after school back in the late 1970's
and yes, I wore a red and white striped blazer.....

gster 04-26-18 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20308442)
Is that a BSA Lightning I see? My friend had one, and rode with me on my old Triumph Bonneville. And, did you rid yourself of the raccoon?

Yes. A 1969 BSA 650 Lightning.
It hasn't been ridden in a while. It's much easier for me to just get on a bicycle these days.
Toronto traffic and drivers in general are horrendous.

gster 04-26-18 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20308815)
Looks like a fun place to me...well, except for the racoon. A big fat one was making a mess in my barn last year. Peanut butter gets em every time. Caught him in a box trap, drove him 15 miles away and told him that if he ever came back I'd make a hat out of him. Worked. Haven't seen him since.

This one's kind of mangy looking, I don't want to get too close. I'm running out of brooms. I've broken 2 already.
No sign of it today and I've patched the bottom of the door he was getting in through.

paulb_in_bkln 04-26-18 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20308237)
That article is pretty good. It tends to focus on some of the later, "road" bikes from the 10-speed series, but the construction methods are described well. The pre-WWII New World is unique in that it was fillet brazed, but it was not Cro-Mo. They used a "drawn seamless" tubing on the pre-war New World.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FbgT8Mo6f...909_183009.jpg

The New World could come with a US-style one-piece crank, but also could be bought with three-piece cottered cranks. Schwinn was "modern" in its view of branding - that is to say, it put its name everywhere it could. Cranks were stamped "Schwinn" and the chainrings sometimes had the company's initials.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-R7GGu-UJo...609_170558.jpg



Graphics:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IZFDgLvsQ...609_170543.jpg



I keep an eye out for reference pictures because I find the Schwinn experiment so interesting. They were trying to sell decent bikes to adults in the 1930s-40s in the US, when the "bike boom" was still a generation away. They couldn't compete with the automobile, especially after the war.

I found pictures of a bare New World frame on the internet, which show the brazing joints nicely:

https://thecabe.com/forum/attachment...nn-jpg.688085/

Must be a very satisfying bicycle to have in the fleet. The long chainstays are a thing again, too.

desconhecido 04-26-18 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20308898)
This one's kind of mangy looking, I don't want to get too close. I'm running out of brooms. I've broken 2 already.
No sign of it today and I've patched the bottom of the door he was getting in through.

Raccoons are smart and crafty. We were having possum issues so I set out a trap and a game camera. Used cat food, weiners, and honey. Caught about 20 possums over a three month period. Of course, caught a number of feral cats as well. Caught two or three juvenile racoons, but the big ones would just walk around the trap examining it. My guess is that it's real hard to trap a raccoon that's been trapped before. The strangest thing we caught was a ring-tailed cat, which is not a cat at all, but a maskless relative of the raccoon. Stinky, too. Not common in Houston or the coast area, but is resident of the TX hill country. Have no idea what it was doing here. Hauled them all from just north of downtown Houston to Bear Creek park about 15 miles west and let them go. Except for some of the cats that appeared to be well fed and cared for. Released them. Didn't want a 7 yo girl's heartbreak on my conscience. Didn't want to see lost cat posters for a cat I had relocated.

BigChief 04-26-18 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20308237)
That article is pretty good. It tends to focus on some of the later, "road" bikes from the 10-speed series, but the construction methods are described well. The pre-WWII New World is unique in that it was fillet brazed, but it was not Cro-Mo. They used a "drawn seamless" tubing on the pre-war New World.



The New World could come with a US-style one-piece crank, but also could be bought with three-piece cottered cranks. Schwinn was "modern" in its view of branding - that is to say, it put its name everywhere it could. Cranks were stamped "Schwinn" and the chainrings sometimes had the company's initials.





Graphics:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IZFDgLvsQ...609_170543.jpg



I keep an eye out for reference pictures because I find the Schwinn experiment so interesting. They were trying to sell decent bikes to adults in the 1930s-40s in the US, when the "bike boom" was still a generation away. They couldn't compete with the automobile, especially after the war.

I found pictures of a bare New World frame on the internet, which show the brazing joints nicely:

That hat in a ring emblem was in my memory somewhere but I couldn't find it. Had to look it up. Interesting history.
hat in the ring history

SirMike1983 04-26-18 08:40 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20308993)
That hat in a ring emblem was in my memory somewhere but I couldn't find it. Had to look it up. Interesting history.
hat in the ring history

Yes - 94th Aero Squadron in WW1. This series of bikes was also Schwinn's way of "throwing its hat in the ring" in the realm of adult bikes and 3-speed bikes in the late 1930s. It was a bold idea, but did not really pan out in terms of profits. Though it did leave us today with some outstanding old bikes to ride.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HbsLZ4Hla...426_182205.jpg

Ballenxj 04-26-18 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20308891)
Yes. A 1969 BSA 650 Lightning.
It hasn't been ridden in a while. It's much easier for me to just get on a bicycle these days.
Toronto traffic and drivers in general are horrendous.

Told my friend about yours. He got a kind of far away look on his face and said if he ever got another bike, it would be either a BSA lightning, or BMW K1000.


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