Finding New 700x21C Gumwall Clincher Tires
Where can one purchase 700x21C gumwall clincher tires these days? (And hopefully for less than car tire costs.)
With my last retro bike build, I bought a pair of Michelin Dynamic Classic tires in 700x23C size which is as close as I could get to what I really want, but even those tires are hard to find. The few tires I've found in a 700x21C size are all black (i.e., no gumwall) which I think looks odd on a retro build. I remember riding even narrower tires than a 700x21C when I was young and couldn't find anything wider, but I'm guessing I'll never find a 700x20C or 700x19C these days. Note that this bike build is going to be largely a wall hanging, so the tire width is more about remembering the past than it is about comfort, ride quality, or speed. Semi related... 35 years ago, one could hardly find a road bike tire wider than 700x23C at one's local bike shop, now it's nearly impossible to find one narrower than a 700x25C. I wish the bike industry would've discovered wider tires decades ago which would've saved me a lot of physical pain. :o I now ride 700x32C and love 'em... and I would've considered that a mountain bike tire when I was younger. |
Veloflex makes the Master 20. 20 mm and fairly cheap. I'll have to pick up a set myself.
Veloflex tires |
I have a pair of skinwall Schwalbe Luganos in size 23 if you're interested. Hardly worn, stored way from UV and come with tubes, great for a wall hanger.
Yours for the cost of postage, PM me if you'd like them. |
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23217682)
Veloflex makes the Master 20. 20 mm and fairly cheap. I'll have to pick up a set myself.
Veloflex tires |
Originally Posted by Trakhak
(Post 23217689)
Good sleuthing. I also searched, with no success. Cheaper than most car tires, per the OP's stipulation. And very good quality, no doubt. The quality is likely unimportant for a bike that's going to be hung on a wall, but good luck to the OP for finding anything cheaper in that size.
|
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23217682)
Veloflex makes the Master 20. 20 mm and fairly cheap. I'll have to pick up a set myself.
Veloflex tires One example is the Veloflex Corsa Evo (formerly known as the Master)... I bought some 25mm versions and mounted them on some Mavic MA-2. These ended up measuring closer to 23mm. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...efa3eb3a13.jpg I've seen this on some Continental models too, although their sizing between models hasn't been consistent. My point... some new 23mm tires may work to replace a 20mm tire on vintage rims, although it would be work to find out which ones would do it. Steve in Peoria |
The website confirms that they're hand made in Italy.
|
Can't you "remember the past" with a 23mm tire?
|
If it's going to be a wall hanger, you might consider used: https://www.ebay.com/itm/294042736274
Fwiw, I think I put a set of these on my Raleigh SuperCourse around 1991 so that I might go "faster." |
I know a guy with some 23s in perfect shape. :innocent:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2bad857301.jpg |
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 23217893)
I know a guy with some 23s in perfect shape. :innocent:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2bad857301.jpg |
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 23217937)
^ :D
True. My 25mm Conti GP5000 tires measure 23.5 on brand new Sun m13ii rims. https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8b69187e25.jpg The frustrating part was that I had some Conti Grand Prix Classics in 25mm that measured about 26mm on the same MA-2 rims. I also have some Conti touring tires that measure 3 or 4mm smaller than the labeled size, so I knew that Conti's sizing was sketchy. However, I assumed that there would be some consistency in the Grand Prix family of tires. I was wrong. Efforts to contact Conti and get info on their sizing was unsuccessful, despite full cooperation from the US distributors. They all said that Conti was known to be unresponsive to questions. Steve in Peoria |
Another vote here for the Veloflex in 20s. I use their tubulars, which really render that classic look.
You can find Vittoria Graphene 2.0's in 23, which likely measure closer to 22, knowing their penchant to "oversize." They put much larger graphics on their tires, though, so that might turn you off. Available for cheap, nowadays. Some LBS's may stock old Continental Grand Prix's in 20 - non-foldable or foldable. Haggle the price downward. |
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 23217937)
^ :D
True. My 25mm Conti GP5000 tires measure 23.5 on brand new Sun m13ii rims. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fdd4fd085.jpeg |
|
Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
(Post 23217698)
I'm not sure exactly when it happened, but many tire manufacturers have "adjusted" their tire sizes to accommodate the greater widths of modern rims. I've had a number that ended up a couple of mm smaller than the marked size when mounted on a vintage rim.
One example is the Veloflex Corsa Evo (formerly known as the Master)... I bought some 25mm versions and mounted them on some Mavic MA-2. These ended up measuring closer to 23mm. My point... some new 23mm tires may work to replace a 20mm tire on vintage rims, although it would be work to find out which ones would do it. |
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23218265)
My Veloflex Master 23s measure 22.4. Close enough in my book.
I'm still wondering if the change in the name was just an excuse to use a bigger label or what. Steve in Peoria |
Originally Posted by SurferRosa
(Post 23217893)
I know a guy with some 23s in perfect shape. :innocent:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2bad857301.jpg |
Originally Posted by steelbikeguy
(Post 23218297)
The Masters have been out of production for 2 or 3(?) years. The Corsa Evo's use the new sizing standards.
|
Originally Posted by smd4
(Post 23218452)
I didn’t know there was such a thing as “sizing standards.” I thought there was just “sizing.”
A new standard known as ETRTO (European Tire something something something) came into effect a few years back, in order to account for a move to wider rims for road bikes. Vittoria was one of the few folks to make an effort to explain how this changed how the marked width compared to actual width. I'm not sure how long it takes for the warehouses to clear out the older tires, but anything made "recently" should be narrower than the equivalent tire produced before ETRTO took effect. Steve in Peoria |
Originally Posted by nlerner
(Post 23218036)
Wait, I found a pair in my stash!
As such, I'm looking for new tires for my restoration build in case I get the itch to actually ride it. :bike: |
Originally Posted by P!N20
(Post 23218300)
Hold onto them until the marketing geniuses run out of things to sell and tell us narrow tyres are actually faster.
Up until recently, road bike tire size was limited to a 700x25C (approximately) due to the brake caliper limiting that size. Now that disc brakes are the norm, rims have gotten wider and so have tires... and I'm thankful for it! In the last Tour de France, 700x28C was a common tire size and 700x30C and 700x32C was common on the Paris Roubaix. Where I live in lumpy-road Wisconsin, having wider tires has radically reduced the amount of fatigue on my body, allowing me to ride further w/o feeling like my bike just beat-me-up. :eek: That being said, you don't have to wait for marketers to tell you which tire size is faster... Try different sizes and find out for yourself what works best for you. I've ridden tires from 19C to 35C in width (mostly for light gravel) and for me, 700x32C is a sweet spot between comfort, performance, and handling. |
Originally Posted by PoorInRichfield
(Post 23217635)
Where can one purchase 700x21C gumwall clincher tires these days? (And hopefully for less than car tire costs.)
With my last retro bike build, I bought a pair of Michelin Dynamic Classic tires in 700x23C size which is as close as I could get to what I really want, but even those tires are hard to find. The few tires I've found in a 700x21C size are all black (i.e., no gumwall) which I think looks odd on a retro build. https://www.amazon.com/panaracer-Pas...t_sto_dp&psc=1 |
I recently got these Panaracers in 70x23 and they're supple and look the part...
https://www.amazon.com/panaracer-Tir.../dp/B07X7JH12K |
Originally Posted by PoorInRichfield
(Post 23218469)
due to the brake caliper limiting that size.
https://www.dcisite.be/sites/default...verschil-2.jpg |
All times are GMT -6. The time now is 03:16 PM. |
Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.