2020 Motobecane Fantom Cross UNO PRO DISC
Has anyone bought one from bikes direct yet? Really curious how much it weighs and how the rear caliper mounts.
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No but they look like either IS or Post mount calipers. It probably weighs quite a bit and is certainly full of cheap parts. The price they list is a fake price they made up to make it feel like you are getting some sort of great deal. Also good to keep in mind if you are expecting this to be a Motobecane it is not, they bought the name to give the bike some prestige that doesn't exist.
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Looks like a decent bike and deal to me. You're not gonna find anything better (new) at that price. If I were looking for that type of bike I certainly wouldn't hesitate to get it. Go for it and give us a review! :)
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veganbikes being a current bike shop guy, his campaign against Bikes Direct is understandable. That said, I worked in bike shops for 15 years (including a shop where I sold Motobecanes in the 1970s), and I miss bike employee discount pricing, so I've bought two $1,000+ Bikes Direct Motobecanes. Both are great bikes. Buying from Bikes Direct is as close as you can get to buying at bike store employee pricing.
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I'll put the over-under at 25 pounds. My money is on over.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
(Post 21330480)
veganbikes being a current bike shop guy, his campaign against Bikes Direct is understandable. That said, I worked in bike shops for 15 years (including a shop where I sold Motobecanes in the 1970s), and I miss bike employee discount pricing, so I've bought two $1,000+ Bikes Direct Motobecanes. Both are great bikes. Buying from Bikes Direct is as close as you can get to buying at bike store employee pricing.
Sometimes yes a bikes direct bike might have a few nice parts on it and they can certainly undercut people but you don't get to test ride anything and you either have to know how to build it yourself or pay someone to do it and I don't know if they have any warranty but you can be damn sure you will have no support through it and will have to go at them alone which ain't a lot of fun (I am a warranty manager, I know). Plus you won't really get support from the shop when you have issues. They will likely be willing to fix it but it won't be a free tune up or warrantied work because you chose to support the internet instead of the bike shop. |
It has a butted chromoly frame AND fork, so for $399 it's not a bad deal. Obviously it's not going to be light but most of the pigness will be in the cheap wheels. Some of those BD models are the exact same bike as one from a major brand, just rebranded. The Windsor Tourist is a rebranded older model Fuji Touring. Take that Fantom Cross at that price and call it a Fuji then everyone would say what a great deal it is.
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It would be good to find someone that has actually purchased one to speak authoritatively about it. Most of us are very familiar with the "typical" 4130 chromoly frame and can form an opinion but nothing substitutes for having one and riding it.
Having said that, I tend to agree with Veganbikes and would recommend shying away from online dealers if you can. I am not singling anyone out. Buying local keeps the shops open, employs local people and gives you a place to go for support. You cannot underestimate the value in that. Some things are worth paying a little more for. I also agree that inflated MSRPs and "sales" tend to get old. How about just listing the bike and the price and letting the consumer decide if it is a deal or not? There are some that don't have a local shop they can depend on, or don't see a value in supporting one. I guess in that case, let the buyer beware. Do your research and roll the dice. |
Originally Posted by TugaDude
(Post 21332303)
Most of us are very familiar with the "typical" 4130 chromoly frame and can form an opinion
.Do your research and roll the dice. What is your opinion of the 4130 chrmo frames? I bought the Dawes SS bike with chromo frame/fork from BD for $209...The bike weighs 24lbs takes a 32C tire. Once I dialed it in, it rolls real nice, turns easy and rides lighter than it's 24 pounds. I'm considering the Fantom beacuse it's chromo, SS, disc brake and takes a wide tire....I'm guessing it has a 120mm rear drop out, I'd like to see how the caliper mounts. I'm down with supporting local bike shops. I can only imagine what a though business model that must be, but truth be told I work on my own bikes and I'm not to concerned with warranties on one of these low end bikes especially the parts on it. |
Originally Posted by zsir
(Post 21332823)
What is your opinion of the 4130 chrmo frames? I bought the Dawes SS bike with chromo frame/fork from BD for $209...The bike weighs 24lbs takes a 32C tire. Once I dialed it in, it rolls real nice, turns easy and rides lighter than it's 24 pounds. I'm considering the Fantom beacuse it's chromo, SS, disc brake and takes a wide tire....I'm guessing it has a 120mm rear drop out, I'd like to see how the caliper mounts. I'm down with supporting local bike shops. I can only imagine what a though business model that must be, but truth be told I work on my own bikes and I'm not to concerned with warranties on one of these low end bikes especially the parts on it.
Regarding the wheel spacing, it is anybody's guess. You could reach out to them and ask. |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 21331871)
Yes but Motobecane in the 70s was an actual real company making some really solid bikes that are worth something. Bikes Direct is a name they took to put on cheap stuff and sell it at what you think are good prices because they say everything in on sale compared to finding this elsewhere unfortunately they are the ones who sell the name Motobecane and nobody else so they are not really on sale. It is a trick to get you to buy something. If I have an item that is permanently on sale and I show it as 28% off all the time, it isn't really on sale I am just basically scamming you into thinking it is on sale rather than just being honest. At least with employee pricing I am getting a true discount mainly because I sell their product and in some cases sell a lot of their product.
Sometimes yes a bikes direct bike might have a few nice parts on it and they can certainly undercut people but you don't get to test ride anything and you either have to know how to build it yourself or pay someone to do it and I don't know if they have any warranty but you can be damn sure you will have no support through it and will have to go at them alone which ain't a lot of fun (I am a warranty manager, I know). Plus you won't really get support from the shop when you have issues. They will likely be willing to fix it but it won't be a free tune up or warrantied work because you chose to support the internet instead of the bike shop. |
Originally Posted by onyerleft
(Post 21334224)
But this Fantom Cross Uno is just so wrong in so many ways. I'm not going to go into detail - either you immediately get it, or you don't.
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If the Kilo TT is a Steamroller copy, this is just a Nature Boy copy but with fork zits to make it an easy target for bicyclepubes.
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I picked one of these up to replace a stolen commuter (hard to find replacement bikes right now), so figured I'd answer a few of the questions for future shoppers. Feel free to add more Qs if you have them.
Sizing: I'm 6' 33" inseam and bought the 58cm bike. The TT / reach feels good, stand-over is fine but I wouldn't want any shorter an inseam. I probably would have been good on a 56cm bike as well. Weight: ~27.5 lbs (with the cheapo pedals provided) Brakes: 51mm IS mount Front rotor was severely warped when the bike arrived, but the only pain when "building" it was getting the brakes to run cleanly. Haven't had a chance to do a real test yet but will post back when I do. |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 21330107)
No but they look like either IS or Post mount calipers. It probably weighs quite a bit and is certainly full of cheap parts. The price they list is a fake price they made up to make it feel like you are getting some sort of great deal. Also good to keep in mind if you are expecting this to be a Motobecane it is not, they bought the name to give the bike some prestige that doesn't exist.
I love how people who have no idea what they are talking about make statements that only make them look like imbeciles. The prices are real. I know, I bought one about 20 years ago and I'm still riding it. |
Originally Posted by MntnMan62
(Post 21717512)
I haven't bought this particular bike but I bought a road bike from Bikesdirect. They are real bikes. They list the components included on each bike and they aren't fke components. Yes, Motobecane no longer exists as a French bike company. Bikesdirect bought the name. The bikes are made in Taiwan in the same factory that many if not most bikes are made. I bought a Motobecane Sprintour road bike with full Ultegra drivetrain, breaks and shifters. The components alone were worth the price I paid for the bike. If you are a label ***** then don't buy from them. If you know what you want in terms of size, geometry and component mix, then you can find what you want as they seem to have lots of different options.
I love how people who have no idea what they are talking about make statements that only make them look like imbeciles. The prices are real. I know, I bought one about 20 years ago and I'm still riding it. "2021 Motobecane Fantom Cross UNO PRO SALE $399.95 (List $995)" |
PSA: don't even do a shakedown ride on the pedals provided. I got a full two blocks before one splintered into my shin...it cracked at the spindle.
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Originally Posted by MntnMan62
(Post 21717512)
I haven't bought this particular bike but I bought a road bike from Bikesdirect. They are real bikes. They list the components included on each bike and they aren't fke components. Yes, Motobecane no longer exists as a French bike company. Bikesdirect bought the name. The bikes are made in Taiwan in the same factory that many if not most bikes are made. I bought a Motobecane Sprintour road bike with full Ultegra drivetrain, breaks and shifters. The components alone were worth the price I paid for the bike. If you are a label ***** then don't buy from them. If you know what you want in terms of size, geometry and component mix, then you can find what you want as they seem to have lots of different options.
I love how people who have no idea what they are talking about make statements that only make them look like imbeciles. The prices are real. I know, I bought one about 20 years ago and I'm still riding it. Philasteve got it correct their prices are a big joke. No sales no nothing just a bunch of B.S. You aren't going to sell a bike saying generic open mold frame at bargain bin prices but Motobecane on SALE it is more attractive. The components being hung on them may be good components that is fine but just be honest about it. Honesty is always the best policy. |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 21330107)
a Motobecane it is not, they bought the name to give the bike some prestige that doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted by Philasteve
(Post 21717729)
When he say's the prices are fake I think he's referring to this. The sale price is just the normal price, and the list price is just made up it's not listed for that price anywhere.
"2021 Motobecane Fantom Cross UNO PRO SALE $399.95 (List $995)" |
Originally Posted by veganbikes
(Post 21718517)
I didn't say the components are fake or the bikes are fake but the name is a bunch of B.S. designed to give their bikes fake prestige. The bikes are not at all the same as the other bikes being made in Taiwan. Making it in the same place doesn't mean the same quality at all. It is not like BikesDirect is paying anyone to do a bunch of real R&D and testing and all the stuff that say Specialized or Kona or Trek or whoever does.
Philasteve got it correct their prices are a big joke. No sales no nothing just a bunch of B.S. You aren't going to sell a bike saying generic open mold frame at bargain bin prices but Motobecane on SALE it is more attractive. The components being hung on them may be good components that is fine but just be honest about it. Honesty is always the best policy. |
Originally Posted by seau grateau
(Post 21333950)
...Planet X is starting to solidify as a good option, depending on shipping cost out of the UK. They don't really hit the steel or cheap single speed bracket, but they seem to have some really decent stuff. Company is now employee owned as well apparently.
It is indeed sad that Planet X is no longer pursuing this market. Outside of a few city-ish bikes, they obviously have decided to go modern. And let us not forget One On & their Il Pompino & other Pompino-ish bikes. Not to mention that not all that long ago Planet X/On One was actually getting into it pretty strongly via some old brand names they bought but handled in a different manner than Bikesdirect does theirs. I have a "Holdsworth Laquelda" bike I built from a frame I got from them that they were selling sooo cheap and it nobly serves its purpose for me. Maybe modern production neo-retro-kinda vintage is not so big anymore? |
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