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PeterLYoung 03-24-19 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20852227)


Just catching up- @PeterLYoung: lovely job! As to the reflector I just did this on the Humber - the black rubber was almost completely disintegrated. Bought one of those repros on EBay with the funny Red R in the reflector - completely wrong but the rubber outer is almost an exact match (if you don’t worry about the missing lettering) and the moulding is not bad for the price. The reflector/lens moved right over. Btw: the “reflector” looked uncannily like a piece of tin foil folder over....almost certain it was original though!

I have been looking on EBay but no luck at present except for one that is too far gone to be worthwhile, will keep looking, if I can get a nice rubber one I can transfer my existing lens which is in good shape. Thanks for the advice.

browngw 03-24-19 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20852223)
Had a chance finally to road test the Humber yesterday. Getting nicer but apparently more snow than Toronto here still! Shake down ride went extremely well other than the annoying bang of the rear calliper into the seat stays when using the back brake - any ideas how to curtail that? https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1bc7b6ff.jpeg

Very sharp looking Humber! Saddle, tires, that great blue colour all add up to beautiful bike. Job well done!

PeterLYoung 03-24-19 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20851745)
Nice. I really like the curved brake bridge and the flared seat stays. My wife's Eatons-Herc re-brand has the same. I think her bike was post war with the Eadie hub and rolled fenders with lips. Your fenders do look pre-war, as BigChief suggested, maybe even as early as the twenties. The saddle may be your best clue. The crank looks like a Williams but it could easily be a replacement.

Eatons Commander

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...57ce84761d.jpg

The brake is curved to fit the profile of the Fender which is bolted vertically through the brake bridge same as on my 1936 BSA Roadster.

markk900 03-24-19 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20852269)
That Humber is stunning. Great job. My Rudge has the same frame and here's what the rear brake looks like. I don't hear a clunk, but the caliper spring contacts the seat stay as it flexes forward.

I have identical calipers, same set up. I think the problem is exacerbated by the rims being a little rough and I put new Koolstop Continentals on it...So they do grab a bit on parts of the rim. I know the sound is the caliper flexing forward and hitting the stays; I had previously put some inner tube patches on the stays to reduce the clunk but since I repainted that looked a little shabby chic. I know there were pad holders with the stop on them available but the only set I have are on my wife's 1956 Standard. Perhaps pads glued to the back of the arm would work?

And thanks for the encouragement folks! I *had* to repaint as the old paint really was bad - now I feel much better about riding the bike (and it got a complete redo of all lubrication while it was apart, not that it had been *that* long since the last one a few years back).

markk900 03-24-19 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20852313)
I have been looking on EBay but no luck at present except for one that is too far gone to be worthwhile, will keep looking, if I can get a nice rubber one I can transfer my existing lens which is in good shape. Thanks for the advice.

There are a couple of the Lucas/Raleigh Industry ones in white - at silly money in most cases, and to send to me in Canada shipping is absolutely stupid (not paying $60USD for a reflector!). However there was one I saw (suitable for 50s so maybe too new for you) currently at around $6, and if you send to your US address I bet the shipping wouldn't be too bad. Lens is amber but you wouldn't care about that!

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/VINTAGE-BICY...IAAOSwJYFazA0M

browngw 03-24-19 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20852398)
I have identical calipers, same set up. I think the problem is exacerbated by the rims being a little rough and I put new Koolstop Continentals on it...So they do grab a bit on parts of the rim. I know the sound is the caliper flexing forward and hitting the stays; I had previously put some inner tube patches on the stays to reduce the clunk but since I repainted that looked a little shabby chic. I know there were pad holders with the stop on them available but the only set I have are on my wife's 1956 Standard. Perhaps pads glued to the back of the arm would work?

And thanks for the encouragement folks! I *had* to repaint as the old paint really was bad - now I feel much better about riding the bike (and it got a complete redo of all lubrication while it was apart, not that it had been *that* long since the last one a few years back).

Just had a thought! Scary! How about a nice piece of saddle color matching leather as a brake bumper? Could be laced or sewn on. On a Raleigh ATB to Drop bar a couple of years ago I had to go back to using old pads from my collection, the new ones squealed and jittered too much.

gster 03-24-19 08:42 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20852282)
I learned something new researching this one. I always thought Raleigh came up with the idea of using the brake stirrup as a return spring. Apparently, that was an idea they borrowed from Hercules. From the looks of them, the rear axle stand and chainguard were added to this bike early on. I have seen those stands on 30s American bikes and very early motorcycles, but there's no sign of them in any of the English catalogs I've seen from that time. They always had a clip on the mudguard to hold them up. I don't see one on yours.

I have to agree re: chainguard.
Not original to the bike but it's been on there
a very long time.
The kick stand has a bracket on either side (mis aligned) to
capture the stand.
I may remove it.
I may do a limited restore on this one.
Service the bearings etc., new rubber and pads
new chain and saddle.
The front wheel spins freely and appears true(ish).
I'll leave the paint alone as it's a nice time capsule.
Pedals are somewhat intact with Hercules still
visible on the rubber blocks.
It would be nice to date it accurately.
Your suggestion of 1930 or earlier seems on track.
I'm going to try some of that Evapo Rust you suggested.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...888c550ac4.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...27d0c71ce7.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f423c63db5.jpg

gster 03-24-19 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20852223)
Had a chance finally to road test the Humber yesterday. Getting nicer but apparently more snow than Toronto here still! Shake down ride went extremely well other than the annoying bang of the rear calliper into the seat stays when using the back brake - any ideas how to curtail that? https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1bc7b6ff.jpeghttps://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...95bb77713.jpeg

That's a very attractive bike.

gster 03-24-19 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by PeterLYoung (Post 20852292)
That has to be at least early 1950's, possibly pre war. A great acquisition and because that generation were made from high quality materials I think you will be surprised at its condition as you dismantle. I see quite a few Hercules parts are of ebay, a nice crank set currently. You did very well!!!!

Thank you!
Hopefully I can do it justice.

gster 03-24-19 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20852269)
That Humber is stunning. Great job. My Rudge has the same frame and here's what the rear brake looks like. I don't hear a clunk, but the caliper spring contacts the seat stay as it flexes forward.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f753334104.jpg

Here's the rear caliper in my BSA. The spring is reversed
placing it further from the stay.
I think this is correct..
I'll check my "control" (untouched) Superbe to
see how it's set up.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7200bdde97.jpg
On a positive note.
That spill I took on the BSA a few weeks ago prompted me to make a fuss
with the city and the pot hole of death was repaired....
the seat and the bell took a beating.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...088a745a43.jpg
Despite my bravado, it took me longer to recover
from the fall than I thought.
I'm not 25 anymore.

gster 03-24-19 09:25 AM

Are these perverts trying to look up her skirt???
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...282197f5dd.jpg
And is that person with the ukulele a man or a woman??

PeterLYoung 03-24-19 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20852223)
Had a chance finally to road test the Humber yesterday. Getting nicer but apparently more snow than Toronto here still! Shake down ride went extremely well other than the annoying bang of the rear calliper into the seat stays when using the back brake - any ideas how to curtail that? https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c1bc7b6ff.jpeghttps://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...95bb77713.jpeg

Regarding the banging of the Rear Brakes, 1) one thing is the brake spindle a good fit and properly tight in the frame bridge? 2) you can get brake block holders with a tab that bears against the rear stay, acting as the stop when the brakes are applied, some bikes were fitted with them as standard. Should cure the problem all else being equal!!!

browngw 03-24-19 10:27 AM

Finally got the 23" framed 1972 Raleigh Sports ( Root Beer Express ) out for its first ride since I purchased it last summer. Very pleased with the ride and look of the bike. Saddle needs to be adjusted slightly (nose up) and I did not tighten the bars to the stem enough. The only change in the future might be those pedals which were original to the bike. They feel tiny and delicate under my size 12 feet.
Pretty drab out today and with a brown bike (coffee) but at least the snow is gone and its warmer. I thought the wider than usual bag might be in the way but it works and should be great for errands around town.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c4c8c9dfc3.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...36d520e2cc.jpg

gster 03-24-19 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20852626)
Finally got the 23" framed 1972 Raleigh Sports ( Root Beer Express ) out for its first ride since I purchased it last summer. Very pleased with the ride and look of the bike. Saddle needs to be adjusted slightly (nose up) and I did not tighten the bars to the stem enough. The only change in the future might be those pedals which were original to the bike. They feel tiny and delicate under my size 12 feet.
Pretty drab out today and with a brown bike (coffee) but at least the snow is gone and its warmer. I thought the wider than usual bag might be in the way but it works and should be great for errands around town.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c4c8c9dfc3.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...36d520e2cc.jpg

Another classic.

BigChief 03-24-19 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20852626)
Finally got the 23" framed 1972 Raleigh Sports ( Root Beer Express ) out for its first ride since I purchased it last summer. Very pleased with the ride and look of the bike. Saddle needs to be adjusted slightly (nose up) and I did not tighten the bars to the stem enough. The only change in the future might be those pedals which were original to the bike. They feel tiny and delicate under my size 12 feet.
Pretty drab out today and with a brown bike (coffee) but at least the snow is gone and its warmer. I thought the wider than usual bag might be in the way but it works and should be great for errands around town.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c4c8c9dfc3.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...36d520e2cc.jpg

Ole Root Beer Express is looking mighty good. So nice the B67 and 66 saddles have those frame mounted bag loops so you can use bigger heavier bags. Those little eyelets cut into the leather of the B72 aren't very confidence inspiring. I might even get a short ride in today if I stop poking around the internet and get my quick books finished.

gster 03-24-19 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20851935)
Here's an image from the Hercules parts catalog of 1931. Now we have the HERCULES chainring. So, from period catalogs at least, the style chainring on your bike would suggest a date of 1930 or earlier. Notice the black painted centers on the rims. Nice touch.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e9494b8808.jpg

Evidence!!
black and red striped rim centres!
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4428c2b92a.jpg

markk900 03-24-19 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20852626)
The only change in the future might be those pedals which were original to the bike. They feel tiny and delicate under my size 12 feet.

Wow - she's a beaut! I did a root beer/coffee one for my sister a few years back and the colour sparkles in the sun (too bad its not nice today!).

Re the pedals: they are awful. I had 2 fail on me over time; I tried to take one apart to see if I could repair it but no dice....I did get it apart but the outer cone retainer is a press fit and not reusable unless you are lucky. I bought a bag of c-clips to see if that would make them rebuildable but that failed quickly. Anyway, stock or not better pedals are in order!

dweenk 03-24-19 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20852525)
Are these perverts trying to look up her skirt???
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...282197f5dd.jpg
And is that person with the ukulele a man or a woman??

Ukulele man is a man, and yes they are trying to look up her skirt. She seems to have that sorted out with her right leg crossed over her left. I was a horny adolescent in the past.

dweenk 03-24-19 01:35 PM

I just noticed the camper in the background - a troika perhaps? That would make me a horny old man.

SirMike1983 03-24-19 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20852451)
I have to agree re: chainguard.
Not original to the bike but it's been on there
a very long time.
The kick stand has a bracket on either side (mis aligned) to
capture the stand.
I may remove it.
I may do a limited restore on this one.
Service the bearings etc., new rubber and pads
new chain and saddle.
The front wheel spins freely and appears true(ish).
I'll leave the paint alone as it's a nice time capsule.
Pedals are somewhat intact with Hercules still
visible on the rubber blocks.
It would be nice to date it accurately.
Your suggestion of 1930 or earlier seems on track.
I'm going to try some of that Evapo Rust you suggested.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...888c550ac4.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...27d0c71ce7.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f423c63db5.jpg

Correct about the chain guard - that looks like a McCauley aftermarket chain guard from the 1930s-40s. They made several art deco type chainguards that could be adapted to whatever bike you wanted to mount it on. The later ones from the 1950s and onward are kind of flimsy but the earlier ones are pretty good.

gster 03-24-19 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20852848)
Ukulele man is a man, and yes they are trying to look up her skirt. She seems to have that sorted out with her right leg crossed over her left. I was a horny adolescent in the past.

A great poster.

BigChief 03-24-19 04:28 PM

OK, getting his Popular "H" to stand with nothing holding it is a neat trick, but he's not going anywhere with the girl in the store wearing that outfit.

gster 03-24-19 04:39 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20853050)
OK, getting his Popular "H" to stand with nothing holding it is a neat trick, but he's not going anywhere with the girl in the store wearing that outfit.

I think the pedal is resting on the curb.
He may prefer the company of men (who doesn't?).

3speedslow 03-24-19 05:02 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...73993dd4b.jpeg
For a R20 that is in great shape and condition, it only takes one modern smuck mechanic to cause a couple hours of sidetrack repairs to ruin my day!

that leaves me back on track when I find a correct cable end for the brake handle.

3speedslow 03-24-19 05:08 PM

Any body have a extra pump that fits a Raleigh folder they want to unload? It takes a 12” I believe size. Or is there another good source to acquire one from?



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