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agmetal 04-06-17 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19489525)
Nice bike. It's a Nottingham built Raleigh, but it has Birmingham style fenders. I'm going to take a guess and say Raleigh used left over fenders from their purchase of Hercules in 1960. So the bike would date to sometime close to then.

Looks like B'ham style brakes, too

agmetal 04-06-17 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19491152)
A good way about the cottered cranks is to get a decent cotter press and otherwise make sure your crank is in decent shape. If you have a cotter press you will find they are easier to work on than most alloy cranks.

The roadsters have 170mm cranks but the other bikes are 165mm.

I think the roadsters are actually more like 178mm (7" vs. 6.5" on the Sports models)

SirMike1983 04-06-17 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by exdraghunt (Post 19491029)
Yeah, that was my thought too. Oddly, it just says "Made in England" on it, but not Nottingham or Birmingham or anything else.

The seller says he got it through an estate sale, seems to me it was either never ridden or just barely. When I got it, there wasn't a speck of road grime anywhere, even the hubs.

Some other pics

https://68.media.tumblr.com/3fc76850...d9ko3_1280.jpghttps://68.media.tumblr.com/941cdeaa...d9ko2_1280.jpg

It looks to me like the second digit of the year on the hub wasn't stamped fully. Maybe a '61? (It also has the 'upside-down' Sturmey logo on the shifter)

https://68.media.tumblr.com/085600e4...d9ko4_1280.jpg


Light strike on the second year digit is a 1 - November 1961. The bike itself would then be 1961-62 model overall. It appears to have Nottingham Raleigh-style lugs from that era too. It's a transitional bike - Nottingham-built with some leftover Birmingham parts from the merger. It's in nice shape and should ride well for you.

SirMike1983 04-06-17 05:50 PM

Slipped a ride in last evening on this 1958 Sports Four Speed.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4ty7UZPGf...405_184721.jpg

clubman 04-06-17 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by agmetal (Post 19493769)
Looks like B'ham style brakes, too

Maybe alloy replacements? They don't look the part, maybe the levers too.

thumpism 04-08-17 06:57 AM

Not your average garden variety Hercules three-speed.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/6078358390.html

Hercules Motorized Bike - $300 (N.Chesterfield)

https://images.craigslist.org/00Z0Z_...L_1200x900.jpg

condition: good

This is an old bike and old motor ...It was made in Nottingham,England by the Hercules Co...It would not take a lot to get it running...Motor turns over...Very rare item....$300....No Text...No Text...No Text...804-920-628six....

SirMike1983 04-08-17 07:12 PM

Spring Cleaning: 1958 Raleigh Sports and 1946 Hercules Model C

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VBkzpP_uO...408_172410.jpg

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wOZm_34LJ...408_172447.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JaVc3uxYS...408_184011.jpg

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iDwQ0YEE7...408_184030.jpg

tbo 04-08-17 07:18 PM

If anyone is looking for a matched pair, we just don't have the room for them, but I'm willing to take a look for you if really interested. If $200 for both bikes, it's not a bad deal at all. Also note these are Florida bikes (bad thing) but garaged the whole time (good thing).

Matched pair of 1970's Raleigh 3 speed bikes - $200 (Merritt Island)
https://spacecoast.craigslist.org/bik/6074609500.html

https://images.craigslist.org/00404_...g0_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/01717_...nd_600x450.jpg

https://images.craigslist.org/01515_...9W_600x450.jpg

scale 04-08-17 07:57 PM

I built up a new wheelset on my (new to me) sports this spring. Brand new cr-18s with new tires and tubes. I got them tensioned properly.

I got it all back together and then notice the indicator chain wouldnt budge. I was 100% sure it worked last fall. I picked up the bike and had gone over it, cleaned it and put it away for the winter. I never road it but i was certain i had tested the shifting.

Anyway...i took the hub apart today and found their was a tiny bit of surface rust on the "top hat" piece that sits in the axle next to the sun gear. The tolerance is so small there that it rusted/froze. I cleaned the lubed everything in there real good. The planetary gears were filthy. I am betting some moisture had gotten in there when i was washing an cleaning it. The wheels were so caked with old oil it was sad. It then sat all winter and thats how i ended frozen.

It was really neat to take one apart and see how they worked. I have always wanted to do it. I want to know how they had such great machining and ingenuity before computers? Amazing feat to have created something so intricate but so durable......well until you and idiot and get water in there like i did.

tbo 04-08-17 08:19 PM


Originally Posted by scale (Post 19498377)
I built up a new wheelset on my (new to me) sports this spring. Brand new cr-18s with new tires and tubes. I got them tensioned properly.

I got it all back together and then notice the indicator chain wouldnt budge. I was 100% sure it worked last fall. I picked up the bike and had gone over it, cleaned it and put it away for the winter. I never road it but i was certain i had tested the shifting.

Anyway...i took the hub apart today and found their was a tiny bit of surface rust on the "top hat" piece that sits in the axle next to the sun gear. The tolerance is so small there that it rusted/froze. I cleaned the lubed everything in there real good. The planetary gears were filthy. I am betting some moisture had gotten in there when i was washing an cleaning it. The wheels were so caked with old oil it was sad. It then sat all winter and thats how i ended frozen.

It was really neat to take one apart and see how they worked. I have always wanted to do it. I want to know how they had such great machining and ingenuity before computers? Amazing feat to have created something so intricate but so durable......well until you and idiot and get water in there like i did.

Did it go back together properly? It sounds as if it did, but just checking.

I have the same rims because I actually like to stop when I squeeze the brake levers. I also added a Tektro R559 to the front. It does go around the front fender just fine. Not cheap, but stops like a real bike now.

I couldn't get a rear R559 to clear that fender properly.

BigChief 04-08-17 09:12 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19494400)
Slipped a ride in last evening on this 1958 Sports Four Speed.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4ty7UZPGf...405_184721.jpg

I love this bike!

BigChief 04-09-17 06:23 AM


Originally Posted by tbo (Post 19498400)
Did it go back together properly? It sounds as if it did, but just checking.

I have the same rims because I actually like to stop when I squeeze the brake levers. I also added a Tektro R559 to the front. It does go around the front fender just fine. Not cheap, but stops like a real bike now.

I couldn't get a rear R559 to clear that fender properly.

Just a quick reminder...There's a couple of things, like the Raleigh pattern dual purpose steel rims and original fluted cable casings that people sometimes replace even though they are still in good condition. These can be hard to find items and some of us here look for them.

scale 04-09-17 06:39 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19498803)
Just a quick reminder...There's a couple of things, like the Raleigh pattern dual purpose steel rims and original fluted cable casings that people sometimes replace even though they are still in good condition. These can be hard to find items and some of us here look for them.

The originals were not horrible but there were a spot or 2 with some curb dents. Chrome was good. One of them had rust inside but i was able to clean that up and prime where the rim strip would go. Not worth saving if you ask me but i do have them

scale 04-09-17 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by tbo (Post 19498400)
Did it go back together properly? It sounds as if it did, but just checking.

I have the same rims because I actually like to stop when I squeeze the brake levers. I also added a Tektro R559 to the front. It does go around the front fender just fine. Not cheap, but stops like a real bike now.

I couldn't get a rear R559 to clear that fender properly.

yup...went back together fine. I put new pads on and it seems ok for stopping. Ill probably run these. If i see some R559s cheap at a swap somewhere i will grab them. Nutted tektros are hard to come by used and right now buying the new is not a high priority for this bike.

SirMike1983 04-09-17 04:54 PM

Really nice day here - got some quality ride time on this 1947 Schwinn New World 3 speed.

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aNs30_DDb...409_135712.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-J1upMvrtF...409_135722.jpg

CriticalThought 04-09-17 08:15 PM

Superbe Ride
 
Took the Raleigh Superbe out on the salt marshes of San Francisco Bay this weekend (accompanied by the little Birdy).

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2909/...383bd6d5_c.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2919/...0486fd34_b.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2905/...01ce7ce6_c.jpg

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3929/...29f43485_z.jpg

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2859/...d257d2e3_b.jpg

noglider 04-09-17 08:50 PM

Today, I rode my own bike to the blood center in midtown to make a donation. I usually ride Citi Bike for errands, but I wanted to meet a friend and take a ride with a friend after my donation. I took my Raleigh International which isn't highly flashy, but some thief might recognize it as worth stealing or cannibalizing. So I was nervous for the three hour period I left it outside in sight of lots of people, including huge numbers of tourists. My bike was fine, as should be expected, but I was thinking, I really need a Raleigh Sports, because it would always be ready for service, and those things don't get stolen. Most other bikes do get stolen. I'd prefer to have an ugly old one.

BigChief 04-10-17 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19500251)
Today, I rode my own bike to the blood center in midtown to make a donation. I usually ride Citi Bike for errands, but I wanted to meet a friend and take a ride with a friend after my donation. I took my Raleigh International which isn't highly flashy, but some thief might recognize it as worth stealing or cannibalizing. So I was nervous for the three hour period I left it outside in sight of lots of people, including huge numbers of tourists. My bike was fine, as should be expected, but I was thinking, I really need a Raleigh Sports, because it would always be ready for service, and those things don't get stolen. Most other bikes do get stolen. I'd prefer to have an ugly old one.

I think that's an excellent idea! I've repaired a lot of junkers. Most of the time these bikes aren't worn out from use, but suffer from neglect. Things can be put right mechanically without much expense. I think a scruffy old Sports would make a very handy city bike.

nlerner 04-10-17 08:05 AM

I just ran an errand on my '73 Sears Ted Williams Free Spirit with rear 2-speed SRAM hub. This is the one made by Puch with a full Reynolds 531 frameset, so it's the ideal stealth relatively high-end urban machine.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8463/2...417c7684_c.jpg

noglider 04-10-17 08:33 AM

@BigChief, lots of New Yorkers have discovered how suitable a junky old three speed is. There are lots of them locked up outside 24 hours a day. The thieves leave them alone.

But maybe I'd be happier with something more like @nlerner's stealthy bike. I probably have the parts on hand to build one.

3speedslow 04-10-17 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 19500942)
I just ran an errand on my '73 Sears Ted Williams Free Spirit with rear 2-speed SRAM hub. This is the one made by Puch with a full Reynolds 531 frameset, so it's the ideal stealth relatively high-end urban machine.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8463/2...417c7684_c.jpg

Always love to see this bike! Will have todo until I find one myself.

NormanF 04-10-17 06:52 PM

I have a GT with a Shimano Alfine 8 speed hub.

What's new is old again.

erileykc 04-10-17 08:24 PM

Been parking my Tourist around town for 15 years without a lock and its still in the stable. Of course any thief would probably kill themselves in the first 100 feet with the rod brakes but that's their problem. Just sayin'


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19500251)
...I really need a Raleigh Sports, because it would always be ready for service, and those things don't get stolen. Most other bikes do get stolen. I'd prefer to have an ugly old one.


Jobax 04-10-17 08:47 PM

Love the leather seat.

noglider 04-11-17 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by erileykc (Post 19502718)
Been parking my Tourist around town for 15 years without a lock and its still in the stable. Of course any thief would probably kill themselves in the first 100 feet with the rod brakes but that's their problem. Just sayin'

I'm surprised no one steals it. I mean, yeah, it's an old bike, but I would expect any bike in DC not tied down would be taken, given enough time.


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