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Ballenxj 04-28-18 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20311450)
Hmmm, seems the new format won't support linking images from the web anymore. Typing in the IMG tags manually won't work either. Too bad. Also, you now can't add any more text after a link. It's like the program leaves out the /a closing tag.

I'm glad to see Schwinn bicycles are included in this mix.
http://nh.craigslist.org/bik/d/61-sc...566583414.html
As for adding text after a link, you know I'm going to have to try and defeat that? :beer:

BigChief 04-28-18 08:10 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20311639)
I'm glad to see Schwinn bicycles are included in this mix.
http://nh.craigslist.org/bik/d/61-sc...566583414.html
As for adding text after a link, you know I'm going to have to try and defeat that? :beer:

How did you fix that? Or maybe an admin got to it. Let's see
https://nh.craigslist.org/bik/d/61-schwinn-traveler-3-speed/6566583414.html
testing 123. Nope! I give up. How did you get around the bug?

Ballenxj 04-28-18 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20311653)
How did you fix that? Or maybe an admin got to it. Let's see

The answer has been sent via PM. :)

paulb_in_bkln 04-28-18 09:02 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20311630)
That is sharp. Radial spoked front wheel too. I like it.

Wheels are 700c. Forgot to mention that.

thumpism 04-28-18 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20308386)
This doesn't include seven bikes in the shed and one in the house...
I need help.

Don't worry, I can sell you a few more if you need 'em. Always ready to help.

clubman 04-28-18 01:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20311657)
The answer has been sent via PM. :)

Share? :)

gster 04-28-18 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20312000)
Don't worry, I can sell you a few more if you need 'em. Always ready to help.

I think you'll have to speak to my wife.

SirMike1983 04-28-18 04:10 PM

1961 Schwinn: Those '61 Schwinn fenders can be found if you keep at the search a little while. The shark fin fender sets are less common than the later, plain ones, but they're not rare either. They can be found with a little looking in decent shape, at least decent enough to suit that project. That will be a nice bike for someone once it's all cleaned up. I love that blue color.

Sun CR 18 Rims: I have to admit I'm not a big fan. Yes, they're reasonably well-made, and yes, they're the best "drop-in" modernized rim for the English 3-speed, but they don't look anything like the original rims and I've found they're a massive pain to fit tires. I've given them several tries over the years, and I just don't think they're as good an option as original rims. I've never had an easy tire mount/dismount on CR-18 rims. This held true for Panaracer, Kenda, Schwalbe, and Cheng Shin tires - all were a bear to mount and dismount on the CR-18 rims. On some brake calipers, they also result in some weird brake arm angles when applying the brakes too (the arms being designed for wider rims). I don't think they're a "bad" choice, but I'm not buying any more of them if I can help it.

desconhecido 04-28-18 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20312212)

Sun CR 18 Rims: I have to admit I'm not a big fan. Yes, they're reasonably well-made, and yes, they're the best "drop-in" modernized rim for the English 3-speed, but they don't look anything like the original rims and I've found they're a massive pain to fit tires. I've given them several tries over the years, and I just don't think they're as good an option as original rims. I've never had an easy tire mount/dismount on CR-18 rims. This held true for Panaracer, Kenda, Schwalbe, and Cheng Shin tires - all were a bear to mount and dismount on the CR-18 rims. On some brake calipers, they also result in some weird brake arm angles when applying the brakes too (the arms being designed for wider rims). I don't think they're a "bad" choice, but I'm not buying any more of them if I can help it.

ok, more for me. Only tires that gave me trouble were Schwalbes, but after being mounted for a while, not so much trouble.

paulb_in_bkln 04-28-18 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20312212)
Sun CR 18 Rims: I have to admit I'm not a big fan. Yes, they're reasonably well-made, and yes, they're the best "drop-in" modernized rim for the English 3-speed, but they don't look anything like the original rims and I've found they're a massive pain to fit tires. I've given them several tries over the years, and I just don't think they're as good an option as original rims. I've never had an easy tire mount/dismount on CR-18 rims. This held true for Panaracer, Kenda, Schwalbe, and Cheng Shin tires - all were a bear to mount and dismount on the CR-18 rims. On some brake calipers, they also result in some weird brake arm angles when applying the brakes too (the arms being designed for wider rims). I don't think they're a "bad" choice, but I'm not buying any more of them if I can help it.

I like the lighter weight and 5 years of banging around NYC streets they seem durable but I too wish they gave a more original look.

BigChief 04-28-18 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20312212)
1961 Schwinn: Those '61 Schwinn fenders can be found if you keep at the search a little while. The shark fin fender sets are less common than the later, plain ones, but they're not rare either. They can be found with a little looking in decent shape, at least decent enough to suit that project. That will be a nice bike for someone once it's all cleaned up. I love that blue color.
.

From the catalog, this model had chrome fenders, shark fin front. Available in a 23" frame. I'd have a tough time passing up an earlier Traveler in 23". I can't see frame size as easily as I can with Raleighs, but it looks to be a smaller frame. Nice bike though.

SirMike1983 04-28-18 07:54 PM

I do see why some people love the CR-18 rims if they're doing tougher riding, in a lot of traffic, etc. They do stop better than the originals and they are quite a bit lighter. Aluminum rims took over for some good reasons. I've scored some nice, old rims from people swapping on the CR-18s, and I end up with the originals because people don't want them any more.

The Schwinn frames have different geometry and frame joint shapes, so they look different. They are slightly larger than the corresponding Raleigh frame. The "medium" frame, with the external seat clamp in place, is about 22 inches rather than 21. The large is closer to 24 than 23. That '61 is a medium. Everyone wishes Schwinn made more tall earlier bikes (1938-63). They didn't make many compared to the medium 22 and the small 19-20 inchers.

browngw 04-28-18 08:32 PM

Had DL1 (number2) outdoors for some photos last evening. This was my favorite shot.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c5418efc85.jpg

browngw 04-28-18 08:35 PM

The rest of the bike.
.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4516bc71c0.jpg

arty dave 04-28-18 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 20312457)
The Schwinn frames have different geometry and frame joint shapes, so they look different. They are slightly larger than the corresponding Raleigh frame. The "medium" frame, with the external seat clamp in place, is about 22 inches rather than 21. The large is closer to 24 than 23. That '61 is a medium. Everyone wishes Schwinn made more tall earlier bikes (1938-63). They didn't make many compared to the medium 22 and the small 19-20 inchers.

That's why I thought they might be 28" wheel bikes. Their geometry makes them look like the top bar is proportionally longer compared to a sports. They're a nice looking bike. I favour bikes with a longer top tube as I'm a bit longer in the torso and a bit shorter in the legs than the usual male of my height. The DL-1 at 60cm - 23 & 5/8" top tube is great for me, as is my Papillionaire classic also at 60. Even with adjusting saddle set back and stem length, that extra inch in the top tube seems to make a big difference to my comfort. The large Sports I owned always felt too short in the reach :(

arty dave 04-28-18 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20312495)

Very nice! It's hard to make out the front end damage - it must be very minor...is it right at the lugs/brackets?

arty dave 04-29-18 05:15 AM

DL-1 for sale 2300 miles from me. Aussie$400/ US$300

​​​​​​https://farm1.staticflickr.com/975/4...5288316e_b.jpg
raleigh perth by arty dave armour, on Flickr

A Dutch variant perhaps? Nice shade of green. Sachs/SRAM 3 speed - possibly coaster brake, caliper brakes up front. Fancy dyno hub. My knee was doing weird things on the weekend, so I haven't checked out the China Post roadster yet.

BigChief 04-29-18 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20312722)
DL-1 for sale 2300 miles from me. Aussie$400/ US$300

​​​​​​https://farm1.staticflickr.com/975/4...5288316e_b.jpg
raleigh perth by arty dave armour, on Flickr

A Dutch variant perhaps? Nice shade of green. Sachs/SRAM 3 speed - possibly coaster brake, caliper brakes up front. Fancy dyno hub. My knee was doing weird things on the weekend, so I haven't checked out the China Post roadster yet.

The downtube transfer looks the same as the Danish Raleigh we saw earlier in this thread. I think this bike has 26" wheels. Might be Raleigh pattern, but it's hard to see. Nice looking bike.

browngw 04-29-18 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20312546)
Very nice! It's hard to make out the front end damage - it must be very minor...is it right at the lugs/brackets?

Yes it is very minor and even all around. It makes one wonder if it was a manufacturing defect when the forks and the rest of the bike appeared original and collision free.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...49c53d24cd.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 04-29-18 06:44 AM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 20312490)
Had DL1 (number2) outdoors for some photos last evening. This was my favorite shot.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c5418efc85.jpg

Hardly anything makes me grind my teeth in frustration more than immaculately clean chainlines on other peoples' bicycles. It is a good photo. Even lighting, deep depth of field.

paulb_in_bkln 04-29-18 06:53 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20311225)
Speaking of Schwinn 3 speed lightweights, here's a 61 Traveler in Portsmouth. Love the chrome trimmed chainguard, but would you ever be able to find the correct fenders?
https://nh.craigslist.org/bik/d/61-s...566583414.html

Is it the photo or my imagination or is there an unusually big space between the rear wheel and the seat tube?

BigChief 04-29-18 07:40 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20312816)
Is it the photo or my imagination or is there an unusually big space between the rear wheel and the seat tube?

It does seem to have longer chain stays than the Raleigh Sports. I like this bike. It's a top of the line 3 speed with all the extra goodies and it still has some of the older styling. If I didn't just buy another project, I'd be very tempted on this one.

paulb_in_bkln 04-29-18 08:13 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20312862)
It does seem to have longer chain stays than the Raleigh Sports. I like this bike. It's a top of the line 3 speed with all the extra goodies and it still has some of the older styling. If I didn't just buy another project, I'd be very tempted on this one.

I notice this now because I follow Rivendell. In my ideal world I'd own one of those bikes, or even two or three, but never have. Chainstays long enough to work on a cargo bike are where Grant Petersen is taking all his newer designs.

I just spent a frustrating hour trying to work the Rudge's handlebar through the stem. Could not get it past the sharper part of the bend. Is there a trick I don't know? (Other than all the many tricks I don't know.)

paulb_in_bkln 04-29-18 08:46 AM

The wheels I liberated from that abandoned Sports I posted about. Look crusty, but I think the visible surfaces will clean up well. In case I decide against CR18s for the Rudge. As a bonus, two good inner tubes and one good tire. One wheel had a rubber rim strip (rotting) and the original cloth (also rotting). Belt and suspenders. https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...af5cb0c4f7.jpg

BigChief 04-29-18 10:10 AM

Those rims look like they're still good. The thing to decide is if you want the wheels for a cheap fix or to clean up and keep for spare parts. Chances are that the spoke nipples are frozen and penetrating oil may or may not get them working. In either case, I use a wire wheel on my drill to take of the rust on the inside down to steel. I try to leave any good chrome I can. Then I give it a couple coats of silver Rustoleum. I polish the tops as best as I can and give it a coat of wax.


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