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gster 04-04-19 08:36 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20870219)
That looks like a fun bike. Nice job. Those Sunlite stems are great aren't they? Long legs...short frame...no problem :thumb:

BC always has some positive and helpful comments.

browngw 04-04-19 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20869987)
It seems there's so many discrepancies with these later bikes to accurately date them This might be a Canadian model, judging by the alloy stem; 80's models even had alloy cranks. Terrible chrome of course. I thought 2 point chainguards were ubiquitous in this timeframe.
2 cents worth of opinion.
I've got a half dozen older chainguards in the stash if anyone needs one for the cost of shipping.

I'm thinking the same as @clubman . The bikes we got through the 70's that were made in England are often completely different than those pictured in US catalogs. Things like cables, turning pulleys pump pegs decals etc. are often not the same. Add in the variability with the Canadian made models and the various department store models and it becomes really confusing. Supercycle for example, was ordering 3 speeds from England while Canada was making them here. The 79 sports step-through looks like it is wearing all its original parts. My latest 72 Sports has the same two point mount on the chain guard.

paulb_in_bkln 04-05-19 06:28 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20870330)
BC always has some positive and helpful comments.

Yes, and speaking for myself I always need the encouragement. As I do all this in my Brooklyn apartment there's no place to organize tools and so I keep wrenches in this coffee can where they are a total PITA to find the right size when I need it. I'm going to get a tomato paste can for the small ones but if someone is in a similar pickle and has found a better way I'd love to see it.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c88ddf7250.jpg

gster 04-05-19 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20870650)
Yes, and speaking for myself I always need the encouragement. As I do all this in my Brooklyn apartment there's no place to organize tools and so I keep wrenches in this coffee can where they are a total PITA to find the right size when I need it. I'm going to get a tomato paste can for the small ones but if someone is in a similar pickle and has found a better way I'd love to see it.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c88ddf7250.jpg

I'm a big fan of the coffee can tool box as well.
Also good for small parts storage, varsol bath to degrease, cable storage etc.

Ged117 04-05-19 06:57 AM

I also have a small apartment in which I work on projects. I use old plastic containers for parts cleaning, and have a few carry bags for tools. It can be annoying at times, bumping into bikes or knocking carefully placed bits from the work table. Especially this '50 Superbe project which has meant bits and bobs scattered here and there while I tend to the old paint. Not for long - full assembly is nearly here. I just need to finish taking parts away from the '79 Sports and put the frame in the car. One day, I'll have a bigger space...maybe even a workshop.

3speedslow 04-05-19 07:19 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20870661)
I'm a big fan of the coffee can tool box as well.
Also good for small parts storage, varsol bath to degrease, cable storage etc.

Maxwell House for the win, great coffee!

i use a military canvas tool bag for when I move the project to the carport. Rest of the tools stay in the old wooden tool chest I got from my father. It can be a pain to rummage around for a tool but once out of the bag, I donít put it back in till the job is done. More tools out, easier to find the next new one.

keep up the good work!

gster 04-05-19 08:35 AM

1930 Hercules Progress
A good productive day, yesterday.
fenders installed, BB done, generic chainring and cranks installed.
Brake linkage installed.
I've treated this bike to a nice pair of MKS 3000 pedals.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e4ae3f43e2.jpg

I quite like the L shaped seat post. It offers a greater range of positions.
I tend to like the seat further back.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3e122f1dd8.jpg
I've seen these posts selling for $75.00.
Another bonus with this purchase was a triple rail seat clamp.
Something I've been looking to get for several years and not willing
to order one from Brooks @ 16.00 pounds
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d26fcf7a19.jpg
Mine is currently soaking in the rust bath and will get painted black.

carfreefamily 04-05-19 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20870650)
Yes, and speaking for myself I always need the encouragement. As I do all this in my Brooklyn apartment there's no place to organize tools and so I keep wrenches in this coffee can where they are a total PITA to find the right size when I need it. I'm going to get a tomato paste can for the small ones but if someone is in a similar pickle and has found a better way I'd love to see it.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c88ddf7250.jpg

I've never tried it, but I think one of those wall-mounted, magnetic strips for knives would work. The ones I've seen seem to have enough strength to hold a spanner. Of course, that's if you have the wall space.

paulb_in_bkln 04-05-19 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by carfreefamily (Post 20870844)
I've never tried it, but I think one of those wall-mounted, magnetic strips for knives would work. The ones I've seen seem to have enough strength to hold a spanner. Of course, that's if you have the wall space.

I hadn't thought of it but you're right, it could work. Although you're also right I don't have the wall space. What would help is if I organized my tasks better and then kept my head in the job without letting my thoughts stray as I work.

Jawihan 04-06-19 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20870830)
1930 Hercules Progress
A good productive day, yesterday.
fenders installed, BB done, generic chainring and cranks installed.
Brake linkage installed.
I've treated this bike to a nice pair of MKS 3000 pedals.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e4ae3f43e2.jpg

I quite like the L shaped seat post. It offers a greater range of positions.
I tend to like the seat further back.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3e122f1dd8.jpg
I've seen these posts selling for $75.00.
Another bonus with this purchase was a triple rail seat clamp.
Something I've been looking to get for several years and not willing
to order one from Brooks @ 16.00 pounds
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d26fcf7a19.jpg
Mine is currently soaking in the rust bath and will get painted black.

Good job on the restoration

gster 04-06-19 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Jawihan (Post 20872281)
Good job on the restoration

Thanks.
I ordered some parts form these guys in Owen Sound yesterday.
https://www.hoopriderparts.com/
Prices were good and I got a notice from Canada Post
that the order was already in transit last night.

paulb_in_bkln 04-06-19 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20868315)


Even at their best the shiny versions of the CR18 rims don't gleam like the chrome. Darn! I guess you really can't have everything. I like what I see of those Roadsport tires. If I can't find a shop that carries them locally, I can order directly from Specialized.

Ged117 04-07-19 10:09 AM

I managed to extract the AW from the badly rusted rear wheel of the '79 Sports. I wiped it with a rag and some WD40, and sent some PB inside the oil fill hole in anticipation of taking it apart. Here's a photo of it, and a comparison shot with my 1953 FW hub.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4b035a4e16.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8e6ceaaaac.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9e63edbf75.jpg

The quality difference is evident.

3speedslow 04-07-19 12:06 PM

Miller bulb info Please

Went back into the rear lamp to unscrew the blown bulb. Lookin close, it is indeed gone. No charging or corrosion at all but the filament has broken.

im trying to read the tiny print on the side. Miller 6V BSA ???? I am not quite sure of the BSA part and cannot, no matter what I try get the last letters or numbers to become clear.

Has anyone else replaced a bulb from these lamps? Is it a standard? 6V seems to be but I do not know what the Watts are for these units. Must not be reading in right places.

Appreciate the knowledge!

BigChief 04-07-19 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20873719)
Miller bulb info Please

Went back into the rear lamp to unscrew the blown bulb. Lookin close, it is indeed gone. No charging or corrosion at all but the filament has broken.

im trying to read the tiny print on the side. Miller 6V BSA ???? I am not quite sure of the BSA part and cannot, no matter what I try get the last letters or numbers to become clear.

Has anyone else replaced a bulb from these lamps? Is it a standard? 6V seems to be but I do not know what the Watts are for these units. Must not be reading in right places.

Appreciate the knowledge!

Bulbs are available here. The red LED tail light is especially good. I have one on my Rudge.
NICELITE SUPER LED LIGHT BULBS

3speedslow 04-07-19 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20873813)
Bulbs are available here. The red LED tail light is especially good. I have one on my Rudge.
NICELITE SUPER LED LIGHT BULBS

Thanks BC!

Holy Cow! That is some new wonder works for our old stuff. What sort of prices do they run, canít find that info there.

Might try the old bulbs first just to see the difference between the two when I go for the new.

arty dave 04-07-19 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20870830)
1930 Hercules Progress

I've treated this bike to a nice pair of MKS 3000 pedals.
I quite like the L shaped seat post. It offers a greater range of positions.
I tend to like the seat further back.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3e122f1dd8.jpg
I've seen these posts selling for $75.00.

Looking good! I picked up a ladies roadster recently for parts - it has a nice Williams snowflake pattern 44 tooth crankset that may come in handy, and it also has a quite long L shaped seat post. For some reason I'd never thought to use it reversed to set back a saddle like you have here - guess I've only ever seen them used facing forwards. I've also seen them called 'Lucky 7'.
Nice choice on the MKS 3000 pedals - another thing on my want list

gster 04-07-19 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20874052)
Looking good! I picked up a ladies roadster recently for parts - it has a nice Williams snowflake pattern 44 tooth crankset that may come in handy, and it also has a quite long L shaped seat post. For some reason I'd never thought to use it reversed to set back a saddle like you have here - guess I've only ever seen them used facing forwards. I've also seen them called 'Lucky 7'.
Nice choice on the MKS 3000 pedals - another thing on my want list

I've heard MKS 3000(S) may have been discontinued....
If you find some,
stock up.

arty dave 04-07-19 08:21 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20874156)
I've heard MKS 3000(S) may have been discontinued....
If you find some,
stock up.

Thanks for the heads up - I had to google this as I didn't know there were 2 models. They have stopped manufacturing the (S) which has no reflectors, and they'll continue making the (R), which has reflectors. They seem to look identical apart from the reflectors.

BigChief 04-08-19 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 20873844)


Thanks BC!

Holy Cow! That is some new wonder works for our old stuff. What sort of prices do they run, can’t find that info there.

Might try the old bulbs first just to see the difference between the two when I go for the new.

Here's the page with prices. For my old SA Dyno hub I needed the NL 432 for the headlamp and NL 437R for the tail lamp. You can also buy a limiter for the circuit to protect the bulbs and even a capacitor to smooth out the strobe effect if you want to get fancy. I'm only using the bulbs, so far without any problem.
buyingbulbs.html

paulb_in_bkln 04-08-19 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20873551)
I managed to extract the AW from the badly rusted rear wheel of the '79 Sports. I wiped it with a rag and some WD40, and sent some PB inside the oil fill hole in anticipation of taking it apart. Here's a photo of it, and a comparison shot with my 1953 FW hub.

The quality difference is evident.

It is a shame the way SA spoiled the shifters over the years. Although the derelict that's gone on the Peugeot has the black plastic cover and sleeve over the lever, and despite being still rusty on the inside (needed a PB soak just to pull out the remnant of the cable), it works, even though it's lost the clean snap from first to second. The earliest hub I've taken apart is a '63 and if there are quality differences from the latest one ('79) they aren't obvious to me.

gster 04-08-19 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 20874329)
Thanks for the heads up - I had to google this as I didn't know there were 2 models. They have stopped manufacturing the (S) which has no reflectors, and they'll continue making the (R), which has reflectors. They seem to look identical apart from the reflectors.

That's good to hear. They're great pedals and really compliment a vintage English bike.
I have them on eight of my bikes.

Ged117 04-08-19 10:03 AM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20874692)
It is a shame the way SA spoiled the shifters over the years. Although the derelict that's gone on the Peugeot has the black plastic cover and sleeve over the lever, and despite being still rusty on the inside (needed a PB soak just to pull out the remnant of the cable), it works, even though it's lost the clean snap from first to second. The earliest hub I've taken apart is a '63 and if there are quality differences from the latest one ('79) they aren't obvious to me.

Certainly the cost-cutting is evident with the shifters through the years, but the hubs seem to all hum along with some clean-up and fresh grease and bearings after sitting. I think that is a testament to the strength of the original design. Some folks have spoken about the parts tooling at the factory wearing out by the '70s, and the internal tolerances being sloppier, but I'm not experienced or knowledgeable enough to speak to that. I'm pleased as punch to have a '79 to take apart, refresh, and put back together for a future project. The FW and AG hubs I have going into working bicycles will be less of a mystery thanks to it.

BigChief 04-08-19 11:20 AM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20875034)
Certainly the cost-cutting is evident with the shifters through the years, but the hubs seem to all hum along with some clean-up and fresh grease and bearings after sitting. I think that is a testament to the strength of the original design. Some folks have spoken about the parts tooling at the factory wearing out by the '70s, and the internal tolerances being sloppier, but I'm not experienced or knowledgeable enough to speak to that. I'm pleased as punch to have a '79 to take apart, refresh, and put back together for a future project. The FW and AG hubs I have going into working bicycles will be less of a mystery thanks to it.

The thing I've noticed in hubs from the late 60s and 70s is a quality inconsistency. Some are fine, while others have parts with sharp burrs and/or were cut with dull tools. I have one early 70s hub that makes a noise in operation that I can't figure out. It makes this runch runch sound with the wheel rotation. Best I can figure, something is out of round somewhere, but I haven't been able to fix it. Another thing I've heard, but can't confirm is that in the later years they started casting the planet gears out of pot metal instead of machining them from steel. At some point they discontinued the oil port. So, later hubs can be good, but the older ones are always good.

ryansu 04-08-19 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by paulb_in_bkln (Post 20870650)
Yes, and speaking for myself I always need the encouragement. As I do all this in my Brooklyn apartment there's no place to organize tools and so I keep wrenches in this coffee can where they are a total PITA to find the right size when I need it. I'm going to get a tomato paste can for the small ones but if someone is in a similar pickle and has found a better way I'd love to see it.https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c88ddf7250.jpg

I use a small husky brand tool box in my 2 bdrm Seattle apartment I have a drawer just for wrenches but its not any easier to find the right one without some hunting. It does the job of keeping all the tools in one place though, doesn't take up a ton of space and its portable. I do hope that better coffee than Maxwell house has migrated to Brooklyn :D sorry Seattle coffee snob (not sbux) coming out

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f567c53c6c.png


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