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BigChief 10-18-17 11:35 AM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19937080)
On the left side (?) is it righty tighty or righty loosey? Which way is it threaded? The rest is apart. The shifter is going to need work. The four stops are H, N, L, and B. I thought that it was a 3 but it's a B.


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Great! This is just the shifter you want for your restoration. Looks to be in good shape too. When they first came out with the redesigned trigger, they planned on only one for both 3 and 4 speed hubs. Didn't last long. They went back to dedicated shifters. Don't know why. Maybe they didn't work well on 4 speeds, I don't know, but they work fine on 3 speed AW hubs. Not sure what B stands for. Bottom maybe? I know N is for "normal" Odd isn't it? N on a shifter always stood for neutral in my book. It's just another Raleigh quirk.
here's an ad for the new shifter in Dec. 1949

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4336/...dc13557e_b.jpg1949 sa ad by Billy Bones, on Flickr

Salubrious 10-18-17 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Scipunk (Post 19929539)
I do like those a lot. Let me ask, are the D versions that different? They are so much less expensive...lol

The steel ones are bit tricky to find. The D is a very nice pedal though!


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19931016)
So here's another feature question. This stem has a different shape than the ones I'm used to seeing. It's necked down to the clamp, stamped with "patent number" instead of Sir Walter and somebody took the time to grind the joint smooth at the back. A bit less boxy and more elegant than the later versions I think. I've never had a Raleigh with this style stem. If anybody here has one, I'd love to know the hub date. Thanks

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4476/...e05218a1_z.jpgstem01 by Billy Bones, on Flickr

That stem is very similar to the one on my 1935 Sports...

plympton 10-18-17 01:10 PM

So the part that is still left on the hub, before I breakout the big hammer, does it thread left or right?

BigChief 10-18-17 04:51 PM

The only thing I see left to take apart in the photos are the wheel bearing retainer caps. But, this hub is older than the ones I'm familiar with. A person that would know better than me is the post right above. @Salubrious He has a 1935 Sports and just came through with the answer to a question I had about a stem. No AW hub I've ever worked on had any LH threads.

BigChief 10-18-17 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 19937421)
The steel ones are bit tricky to find. The D is a very nice pedal though!



That stem is very similar to the one on my 1935 Sports...

Thanks! This stem may be older than what ever frame I come up with for my project, but I'll use it anyway. I like it :innocent:

arty dave 10-18-17 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19937517)
So the part that is still left on the hub, before I breakout the big hammer, does it thread left or right?

Leave it there. This is the 'Left hand Ball cup' you're talking about? Think of it as the fixed cup on your bottom bracket, only more so :) Leave it there, clean it in place.
I think they can be removed, but they are really easy to clean leaving them in place. I haven't read or heard of anyone removing them, even for a complete strip-down clean & re-build.
I enjoy pulling these hubs apart and re-building them.

plympton 10-18-17 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by arty dave (Post 19937971)
Leave it there. This is the 'Left hand Ball cup' you're talking about? Think of it as the fixed cup on your bottom bracket, only more so :) Leave it there, clean it in place.
I think they can be removed, but they are really easy to clean leaving them in place. I haven't read or heard of anyone removing them, even for a complete strip-down clean & re-build.
I enjoy pulling these hubs apart and re-building them.

Thanks: That seems like the way to go. The hub is in VG shape and a wash and buff ought to do it.

johnnyspaghetti 10-18-17 05:48 PM

This is DL1 in MPLS CL are asking $100 https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...281396445.html
This one is just a couple miles from the house.

https://images.craigslist.org/00V0V_...yA_600x450.jpg

PilotFishBob 10-18-17 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 19938055)
This is DL1 in MPLS CL are asking $100 https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/h...281396445.html

Wow

drasp 10-18-17 07:20 PM

Haven't had quite as much time w/ the new '51 as I'd like, but I have ticked several little things off my "to-do" list and she's riding very nicely!!!

http://www.delaraspelle.com/misc_pix..._updates-a.jpg

http://www.delaraspelle.com/misc_pix..._updates-b.jpg

johnnyspaghetti 10-18-17 09:17 PM

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Marfield brand? This one looks like a very clean mid to late 60's Raleigh product in Chicago area.

https://offerup.com/item/detail/362438262/?ref=Search

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SirMike1983 10-18-17 09:48 PM


Originally Posted by 3speedslow (Post 19936077)
Does anyone know what brake end lead shape these use? I have these which fit but want to know what originally were used.

This is a "lever and swivel link" system. Rather than having the cable end rest in the lever itself, the lever is riveted to a swiveling link with a hole and slot in it to house the cable end. The levers you show are usually from the 1960s when we find them in the US now. For some reason, they were popular in the 1960s for lower-end road bikes. But the lever and link system is much older and goes back to at least the 1940s or earlier.

Schwinn used the lever and swivel link system, which I believe they partially copied from British designs.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9huVQ0SB9...916_164504.jpg

The levers that you show I also have a pair of on a 1941 New World. They resemble the much more expensive Schwinn levers and use the same general system, at least enough for purposes of rehabilitating the New World. For $20 I was able to buy levers that look enough like Schwinn levers for this project. A pair of original Schwinn levers is easily $100+.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sl8x4mOLy...007_171229.jpg

These post-war English-made lever and swivel parts seem to like the basic, generic "mushroom" ended cables. I actually use the generic "Bell Pit Crew" cables on my Schwinn and English levers of this design.

I've also seen the levers you show on Schwinn Varsity and Continental "touring" configuration bikes from the 1960s.

gster 10-19-17 06:16 AM

1953 Eaton Commander 3 Speed
 
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An interesting bike for sale here in Toronto.
A 1953 Eatons Commander. Built by Hercules with a 3 speed Herc-u-matic hub and shifter.
Priced at $60.00.
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clubman 10-19-17 06:45 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 19938762)
An interesting bike for sale here in Toronto.
A 1953 Eatons Commander. Built by Hercules with a 3 speed Herc-u-matic hub and shifter.
Priced at $60.00.

Nice one and thanks. I've always wondered who built my wife's Commander roadster and now I know.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LE...=w1217-h912-no

gster 10-19-17 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 19938818)
Nice one and thanks. I've always wondered who built my wife's Commander roadster and now I know.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/LE...=w1217-h912-no

They appear to have the same chainguard.

johnnyspaghetti 10-19-17 08:00 AM

That Eaton Commander is desireable. Many Raleigh like attributes. Unusal lugs, real nice pin stripping, outstanding condition I wish I could reach Toronto shipping costs, too few nickels in my budget. I do need to break out of the 60's and find 50's machines.

https://www.bikeforums.net/attachmen...7&d=1508415372

3speedslow 10-19-17 09:09 AM

@SirMike1983 Thanks for the write up!

BigChief 10-19-17 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by drasp (Post 19938223)
Haven't had quite as much time w/ the new '51 as I'd like, but I have ticked several little things off my "to-do" list and she's riding very nicely!!!

http://www.delaraspelle.com/misc_pix..._updates-a.jpg

http://www.delaraspelle.com/misc_pix..._updates-b.jpg

What a beauty!

dweenk 10-19-17 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 19938466)
Marfield brand? This one looks like a very clean mid to late 60's Raleigh product in Chicago area.

https://offerup.com/item/detail/362438262/?ref=Search

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Marshall/Fields house brand maybe?

plympton 10-19-17 03:46 PM

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Picked up this morning. $25 1970 sports very clean
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nlerner 10-19-17 04:42 PM

^ That's a very good deal!

Here's a $40 men's 23" coffee brown Sports in the Boston area:

https://boston.craigslist.org/sob/bo...323706834.html

plympton 10-19-17 05:31 PM

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I could use a little help again. So, I've taken the hub apart and laid it out before me. I think I'm missing a couple pieces. As I look at the exploded view and my layout I am missing 2 part # K521 axle washers which are squared in the center and tabed but I do have 2 locking washers that have round centers. I have an extra 1/8 thick washer. Part "X49-2 fitted" sprocket spacing washer 1/16 thick, I have not separated the sprocket dust cap from the sprocket is that where the spacing washers are? and finally part K463 Circlip I don't have one?
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BigChief 10-19-17 06:17 PM

This exploded view is of the later splined driver type hub. Wish I knew more about your old style threaded driver hub, but for sure, yours doesn't have the circlip. That holds the cog on a splined driver. Don't know about the spacers. Here's some anti rotation washers (k521). You will need those.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/STURMEY-ARC...U8Z6vameP7Bd2g

JohnDThompson 10-19-17 06:20 PM

I don't see the anti-rotation washers among your parts:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/sturm...ges/hmw155.jpg

You do need these. If you're planning on using the hub with vertical dropouts, you'll need the modern version with only one tab:

http://www.biketoolsetc.com/Product_.../SU-HMW518.jpg

And yes, the spacers and circlip mount on the driver to hold the cog in place. Pop the circlip off with a screwdriver, and the cog and spacers will just slide off the driver. Unless you have one of the pre-1952 AW hubs with the threaded driver, in which case you need to secure the driver in a vise and use a chain whip to get the cog off the driver.

BigChief 10-19-17 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by plympton (Post 19940029)
Picked up this morning. $25 1970 sports very clean
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Good buy! Another tall frame too. Really, really nice. I think this one is the deluxe model because it has the westrick rims and single bolt brake levers. Here it is in the 1970 catalog with it's Brooks saddle, frame pump and saddlebag.

http://www.kurtkaminer.com/TH_Raleigh_Cat_70_3_LG.jpg

BigChief 10-19-17 07:36 PM

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I did it again. At least it was cheap, but the last thing I needed was another shifter. This one was a wreck. Bent case, missing it's bolt, clogged up with dirt and dried up grease. Only light rust though. I seem to have a problem passing up basket cases. I soaked the parts overnight in Evapo-Rust, squared up the case, patched up the case finish with Brownell's Action Magic. BTW, this stuff works great for replacing that dull gray finish Sturmey Archer used on some parts like shifter cases and guide wheels. It's a dry lube that burnishes into the steel. I ironed out the faceplate as best as I could. There wasn't much left of the black in the embossed areas of the face plate so I replaced it and gave it a new spring. So it was junk and now it's a bit dinged up but respectable and works great. I hope it finds it's way to an old bike someday.

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nlerner 10-19-17 07:39 PM

^ Nicely done!

plympton 10-19-17 08:06 PM

BigChief thanks for the link and the info and the images of the deluxe. $25 I couldn't believe it. I'm not a bike guy but viewing all the images posted here, I just got caught up in it. It will become my Maine bike.
JohnD. yes it is pre 52, It's off a 49 and has no date on the hub. I emailed a guy in England (forget the name right now) but he's an expert on hubs and couldn't explain this anomaly. It's old. Also the serial number on my "52" is another anomaly #69722 so go figure. Hopefully I'll find those anti-rotation washer on my other hub axle or buy them.
also, I really like the Sprite tires with the two pinstripe whitewalls but I can't find them on line.

plympton 10-19-17 08:22 PM

[QUOTE=BigChief;19940483]I did it again. At least it was cheap, but the last thing I needed was another shifter.

I would like to take my 49 shifter aparts but what would I do to replace the bolts [rivets]?

USAZorro 10-19-17 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 19938947)
That Eaton Commander is desireable. Many Raleigh like attributes. Unusal lugs, real nice pin stripping, outstanding condition I wish I could reach Toronto shipping costs, too few nickels in my budget. I do need to break out of the 60's and find 50's machines.

https://www.bikeforums.net/attachmen...7&d=1508415372

That's a very excellent example of a cherished 1960's rider. I definitely feel the attraction of earlier times also, but don't feel like yours is somehow lacking.


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