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Salubrious 05-22-23 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22898049)

What a fun event! Great people, got to meet @bikamper, great weather, so many food stops! Someone described it as the kind of ride where you might actually gain weight despite the miles. Highly recommended for those of you thinking about next year.

Yes! Susan says she actually gained weight (I have absolutely no idea what she's talking about...)... The pie at the pie shop in Stockholm was really amazing. Also all the help we got (I got two flats and Susan had one; I realized that I had not included a pump, opting instead for CO2. When I screwed on the nozzle for the CO2 the valve had been left in the open position. It really was a clown show on my part. But the kindness of others on the ride got us through.

At one point outside Maiden Rock, my bad bad not good job of a shift cable for her S5 hub failed. She was stuck in high gear. Ted happened by while I was trying to see how I could mend things; he spotted a bit of plastic at his feet; it had a keyhole cutout in it that allowed it to be fished over the toggle chain and then jammed onto the chain in such a way as to prevent it retracting, thus the hub could be set to a lower gear. The level of coincidence was off the charts! This bit of plastic somehow the right shape was right where the shift cable failed- not a mile or ten away but right at Ted's feet. With exactly the kind of hole in it to make it easy to set the gear you needed when the cable was gone?? Sheesh

The next day we installed an SA cable on the Lady of the Lake using one of those SA cable clamp thingys with the barrel adjuster on it. I had saved the original cable sleeve and metal bits so it was a 5 minute job.

gna 05-22-23 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22898393)
Thanks for sharing the nice photos, gna. That really is some nice country. How were the temperatures?

Very pleasant. Saturday was cool in the mornings, maybe 50-55, with a high around 70 F. Sunday was a bit warmer--was about 60 in the morning and was 77 or 78 in the afternoon. Low humidity, light breezes. What breezes we had were tailwinds. Not a cloud in the sky--it was a little relentless; I was riding on the left on some gravel roads to stay in the shade Sunday afternoon. Not very English weather. Some of us were reminiscing about the Tornado in 2011, or the downpour in 2015.

Salubrious 05-22-23 01:28 PM

I spotted this fine machine Saturday evening at dinner. It appears to be a pre-war Raleigh- note the shifter and pulley, both pre-war bits. The Lauterwasser bars look like the real thing. Pay attention to the stem, which has no quill bolt but instead is held in place by the collar bolt of the headset (which also appears pre-war). I didn't check the hub for dates. If this is cobbled together from bits, it was done with an eye towards the arcane. The bike in the background uses a classy means to keep one's skirt out of the spokes- black lace.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f988b7c754.jpg

gna 05-22-23 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22898441)
Ted happened by

Here's the aforementioned Ted outside Maiden Rock:
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dbce008150.jpg
Ted when asked if he was ok

My bike leaning against tree near him.

ETA: and looks like Bikamper in the background.

1989Pre 05-22-23 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 22898677)
Here's the aforementioned Ted outside Maiden Rock: Ted when asked if he was ok My bike leaning against tree near him.

Now, that's a man who knows how to live life.

1989Pre 05-22-23 04:29 PM

The condition of this one caught my eye. $95.00 in Maine, somewhere:
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...656fe9576d.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e673c547cd.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...852dfc2d2a.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fa7d100100.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c6053359c3.jpg

bikamper 05-22-23 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by 1989Pre (Post 22898185)
It sounds like you and the new B17 had the opportunity to "get acquainted".:thumb:

That's a painful yes. Throw in almost 400 miles on the Ural today and Wisconsins' beat up county roads; it may take Advil, Bag Balm, and a double Balvanie to take the edge off tonight.

I made sure this one stayed put.
https://i.imgur.com/ParOXoBl.jpg

I counted Noel as one of my best friends.The cut out was Noel to a tee..
https://i.imgur.com/V0U4KBrl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tdhIQfzl.jpg

I had nice chats with nlearner, Salubrious, and gna. And I was there for the great repair to the Lady of the Lake.

It was bad enough taking over ten hours to get to Red Wing on Friday. But, dammit, having to make this repair in a parking lot 60 miles from home pushed today to 11.5 hours.
https://i.imgur.com/p0ZE24jl.jpg
I don't know how the Iron Butt riders do it.

Kekec1965 05-23-23 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22898526)
I spotted this fine machine Saturday evening at dinner. It appears to be a pre-war Raleigh- note the shifter and pulley, both pre-war bits. The Lauterwasser bars look like the real thing. Pay attention to the stem, which has no quill bolt but instead is held in place by the collar bolt of the headset (which also appears pre-war). I didn't check the hub for dates. If this is cobbled together from bits, it was done with an eye towards the arcane. The bike in the background uses a classy means to keep one's skirt out of the spokes- black lace.

The stem has no quill bolt, as you have mentioned, it is held in place by pinch of the headclip headset. That fine machine looks similar to one of mine - the SA hub on it is from 1935, still going strong 🙂

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4f18040c1e.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...59aec7a195.jpg

riverdrifter 05-23-23 08:16 AM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dfdf66117.jpeg
I owned this one a few years ago and I loved riding it. It was an 80s era Taiwan import.

This one is for sale locally now for $40. Im just about to jump on it. Just not sure I want another project right now.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0abafc7e7.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0a03dd2b9.jpeg

gna 05-23-23 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by riverdrifter (Post 22899460)
this one is for sale locally now for $40. Im just about to jump on it. Just not sure i want another project right now.

do it

gna 05-23-23 06:58 PM

I have a DL-1 Roadster question:
The front brakes pulse. Is that because the wheel is slightly out of round, or because the brakes are catching on some of the rusty/worn spots on the rims?
If new rims are needed,Yellow Jersey has rims. Are they any good, or should I try to find some good condition Raleigh ones?

riverdrifter 05-23-23 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 22900154)
do it

Can you tell from those photos, any idea what era that one is? Thanks!

gna 05-23-23 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by riverdrifter (Post 22900192)
Can you tell from those photos, any idea what era that one is? Thanks!

Looks like mid-late '70s--shifter, decals, self adjusting brake lever.
The saddle and saddle bag are worth the $40, if you ask me, and 23" Men's models are always in demand. It has a coaster brake, which you may or may not like, but it can be changed.

riverdrifter 05-23-23 08:10 PM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 22900232)
Looks like mid-late '70s--shifter, decals, self adjusting brake lever.
The saddle and saddle bag are worth the $40, if you ask me, and 23" Men's models are always in demand. It has a coaster brake, which you may or may not like, but it can be changed.


Good to know. Thanks for the info!

bikamper 05-24-23 06:07 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 22900163)
I have a DL-1 Roadster question:
The front brakes pulse. Is that because the wheel is slightly out of round, or because the brakes are catching on some of the rusty/worn spots on the rims?
If new rims are needed,Yellow Jersey has rims. Are they any good, or should I try to find some good condition Raleigh ones?

Yes. Yes. Worth a try for the price. Crapshoot.

gster 05-24-23 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 22897621)

I often suspect bikes like these started with an "I can change those tires this weekend"..... The wheels came off, time passed,
tires not installed, wheels misplaced.

Salubrious 05-24-23 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by gna (Post 22900163)
I have a DL-1 Roadster question:
The front brakes pulse. Is that because the wheel is slightly out of round, or because the brakes are catching on some of the rusty/worn spots on the rims?
If new rims are needed,Yellow Jersey has rims. Are they any good, or should I try to find some good condition Raleigh ones?

If the wheels are out of round the brakes will pulse. IMO this is the biggest weakness of the rod brakes other than the water on the rim thing.
Rust can do it too but to a far lessor degree.
If it were me and I discovered that the rim was out of round I would try to true it first before going to a new rim. Getting a new wheel built to be perfectly concentric is the hardest part about building a wheel: you may be trading one pulsing problem for another.

CV-6 05-25-23 03:52 PM

My recently revived 1946/47 Raleigh Lenton Sports after a run to the library. I had a bit of an epiphany. I realized I was doing the same thing 60 some odd years ago. Riding a three speed bike to the library. I bought this ten years ago, tore it down and left it until earlier this year. During that time, Gus Salmon recreated the markings for it. Should it ever get refinished, they will be welcome. Due to back issues, I gave it the upright treatment. I still have the original bar/stem combo. The brakes are a carryover from the PO. I do have NOS correct brakes for it. I may refinish, I may let its next caretaker do the job.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2e16d68ae.jpg

noglider 05-25-23 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22898049)



What a fun event! Great people, got to meet @bikamper, great weather, so many food stops! Someone described it as the kind of ride where you might actually gain weight despite the miles. Highly recommended for those of you thinking about next year.

Wonderful pictures, and very funny comment about gaining weight. And hello Neal. :)

nlerner 05-25-23 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 22902418)
Wonderful pictures, and very funny comment about gaining weight. And hello Neal. :)

Thanks, but do I know you?

clubman 05-25-23 09:10 PM

Love that three-pin fluted crank. I thought these only came on the Super Sports. Sharp all over.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d2e16d68ae.jpg[/QUOTE]

thumpism 05-26-23 05:46 PM

Ladies' Favorit for $200 in NY.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...15560871308273

https://scontent.fric1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...1Q&oe=647659AD

SirMike1983 05-26-23 07:38 PM

Re the pulsing rod brakes, first check for dents or impact marks in the surface of the steel. Tap out and level any dents. Then true the wheel to get as round as you can. Once you've done all that, see how bad it is. If it's still too much for your liking, try Yellow Jersey for a rim. Andrew will point you in the right direction. I have an Eastman front rim I got from them about 20 years ago because the front on my 1978 DL-1 was really, really bad. It made braking a lot better. You'll need to know how to build a wheel, or have a good shop do it for you if you get to that point. The old Raleigh rims are better than the Indian-made ones, but sometimes it's all you have. The Eastman rim is of OK quality for a basic, 1970s DL-1. I'd look for an original if the bike was an older and more collectible model.

noglider 05-28-23 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 22902488)
Thanks, but do I know you?

You do now.

repechage 05-28-23 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 22900806)
If the wheels are out of round the brakes will pulse. IMO this is the biggest weakness of the rod brakes other than the water on the rim thing.
Rust can do it too but to a far lessor degree.
If it were me and I discovered that the rim was out of round I would try to true it first before going to a new rim. Getting a new wheel built to be perfectly concentric is the hardest part about building a wheel: you may be trading one pulsing problem for another.

I suggest tire off, penetrating oil in and have all the spokes free before truing. One of the issues to consider is that these bikes are almost all old warriors and may not have been trued by an experienced mechanic.
on a rod brake bike, it is a bother to get a wheel out. Also, it helps to verify that the spokes are not protruding through the end of the nipples.
What I have done to mine was loosen the spokes a turn first to verify that they will adjust. On one wheel I unlaced the wheel, cleaned the rim, new nipples and rebuilt. That way helped much.

there was a rod brake compatible rim in aluminum sold mostly in the Netherlands at one time. I solved my problem so did not pursue.


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