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semroc 05-08-20 07:32 PM

Just scored a clement criterium from behind our local recyclery bike shop. It looked pretty gnarly. Pumped it up, and its been holding air for two days. Looks better than the old crusty wolber I'm running on the back now. Tubulars rule!

obrentharris 05-11-20 03:53 PM

Anyone have experience with the Vittoria Terreno Dry 31mm?
I'm looking for a fairly large volume tire suitable for mixed terrain rides.

The Schwalbe s-one has been discontinued, and evidently all the Schwalbe tubulars are on their way out. Bike Radar reports that Schwalbe is getting out of the tubular business.

Challenge makes a fairly wide range of tubular "gravel" tires but my experience with them in the past has been mixed.

The Specialized Trigger might be another candidate, but I think it has a tread more suitable to cyclocross in dry conditions than to mixed surfaces.

Any advise is appreciated.
Brent

Binky 05-12-20 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by lotek (Post 1830007)
As suggested by an astute member this will be for
tubular tips, hints, reviews of tires etc.
no sales, trades, wtbs, no runs no hits no errors. . .

I have had good luck in the past with tubulars... sometimes generating good will by offering them for free in the past on this Forum.
I live close to the 401 highway about 50 km (30 miles) east of Toronto, (The City Drake Made Famous) and I have picked up a few Holdsworth relics over the years that came to me with decent Mavic tubulars installed.
Right now I have this relic, with good useless Mavic rims with flat tires.
If it were not for this Covid-19 pandemic, I'd consider offering them to whomever can pass by and pick them up to use them.
Not holding air...

Binky
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jimmuller 05-12-20 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Binky (Post 21471006)
...
Right now I have this relic, with good useless Mavic rims with flat tires.
If it were not for this Covid-19 pandemic, I'd consider offering them to whomever can pass by and pick them up to use them.
Not holding air...

If they have removable valve cores, have you tried squirting some Stan's Tire Seal into them? Of course, "Not holding air" is all relative. Latex tubes lose air all by themselves, no leaks required.

Binky 05-12-20 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by jimmuller (Post 21471165)
If they have removable valve cores, have you tried squirting some Stan's Tire Seal into them? Of course, "Not holding air" is all relative. Latex tubes lose air all by themselves, no leaks required.


I never thought of that.
I do have a gallon jug of green Slime sealer. I'll give it a shot.
Maybe these tires can be rejuvenated so at least who ever buys the bike can take it for a test ride !!

Thanks again.

squirtdad 05-12-20 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Binky (Post 21471211)
I never thought of that.
I do have a gallon jug of green Slime sealer. I'll give it a shot.
Maybe these tires can be rejuvenated so at least who ever buys the bike can take it for a test ride !!

Thanks again.

slime is horrible...even if you have it
stans, orange seal or what has been best for me coffeelatex

L134 05-15-20 07:17 AM

Is any shop selling Veloflex Vlaanderen at a good price?

smontanaro 05-15-20 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by L134 (Post 21476220)
Is any shop selling Veloflex Vlaanderen at a good price?

There's often someone selling them for about $60. Google tells me that starbike.com (whoever that is) has them for $58.86 at the moment.

L134 05-15-20 09:33 AM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 21476426)
There's often someone selling them for about $60. Google tells me that starbike.com (whoever that is) has them for $58.86 at the moment.

Thanks. Thatís a pretty good price but, unfortunately, they donít seem to have free shipping to US. Interestingly, if I upped order from 2 to 4 tires, shipping dropped about a third but didnít budge if I went to 6 tires (just to see).

smontanaro 05-15-20 09:54 AM

That was just the first vendor I noticed in the $60 ballpark. Dive a little deeper into the Google search results for "Veloflex Vlaanderen". I'm sure something will come up with better shipping.

semroc 05-15-20 05:09 PM

Latex tube tubulars
 
I've been searching for a list of tubulars with latex tubes but it's not going well. I know veloflex uses latex tubes and some vittoria. It's hard to find out which models. Does anyone know the brands that use latex? They seem to feel the best. Has anyone tried a dugast? I can't switch over from Italian to English on their website. Much appreciated. Thanks

L134 05-15-20 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by smontanaro (Post 21476572)
That was just the first vendor I noticed in the $60 ballpark. Dive a little deeper into the Google search results for "Veloflex Vlaanderen". I'm sure something will come up with better shipping.

Right and Iím sorry, I wasnít really expecting anyone to do the digging for me, I just thought maybe somebody already had a line on a good buy. I think most of my best buys on tubulars have originated from tips on BF. It is how I got introduced to Veloflex in the first place. I even thought maybe someone would suggest another good alternative that I wasnít even considering? My tires are getting a bit thin! Merlin, who Iíve used for veloflex before, seems to have some good prices on Vittorias. Has anyone ridden Vittoria Corsa G+ Isotech? They are available in 28 or 30mm and I think Merlin ships free (or did)? Thing is, I know I like the Vlaanderen.

machinist42 05-17-20 10:37 AM

Patience
 

Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh (Post 21307806)
If you like Schwalbe One HT 28mm tubulars in all black, they are at this moment $26.30 (plus shipping) on Amazon. They are back ordered from Amazon UK and my total for two with shipping was $68. I won't be charged until they ship.

These are "sort of" available again!

pastorbobnlnh , did you ever get your second tire? Was it tan wall like the first?

(I ordered a pair of these way back BC, but my order was cancelled. So I tried again, and that and subsequent attempts were all cancelled. Then, the product disappeared altogether. However, I'm nothing if not persistent, and mysteriously, they presented yesterday, albeit "back ordered". so I am trying once again. They are a couple of bucks less now, and shipping is like $18 for the first one, but only $6 for each additional tire in the order. My total with tax for two came to ~$78.)

obuckler 05-17-20 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by L134 (Post 21477360)
Right and Iím sorry, I wasnít really expecting anyone to do the digging for me, I just thought maybe somebody already had a line on a good buy. I think most of my best buys on tubulars have originated from tips on BF. It is how I got introduced to Veloflex in the first place. I even thought maybe someone would suggest another good alternative that I wasnít even considering? My tires are getting a bit thin! Merlin, who Iíve used for veloflex before, seems to have some good prices on Vittorias. Has anyone ridden Vittoria Corsa G+ Isotech? They are available in 28 or 30mm and I think Merlin ships free (or did)? Thing is, I know I like the Vlaanderen.

I have ridden both of these. The Corsa seems to pick up more junk from the road on the tread. This is even more true when wet. I still love them even though I had one flat (no biggie as they get lots of miles). These are also more available than than the Vlaanderenówhich became my most favorite tubie...did not pick up any road rubble at all. But I did slice a sidewall riding thru some debris from a construction zone. That ruined a brand new tire. Even though I will migrate to the Vlaanderen over time. Just harder to find at a good price.

masi61 05-17-20 05:15 PM

Has any one tried the Michelin Power 28mm tubular tire? These look they would be nice.

L134 05-18-20 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by obuckler (Post 21480911)
I have ridden both of these. The Corsa seems to pick up more junk from the road on the tread. This is even more true when wet. I still love them even though I had one flat (no biggie as they get lots of miles). These are also more available than than the Vlaanderenówhich became my most favorite tubie...did not pick up any road rubble at all. But I did slice a sidewall riding thru some debris from a construction zone. That ruined a brand new tire. Even though I will migrate to the Vlaanderen over time. Just harder to find at a good price.

Thanks. Do the Corsas have latex tube and removable core? Vittoriaís web page doesnít say!?!? I guess I would assume so but...

obuckler 05-18-20 12:11 PM


Originally Posted by L134 (Post 21482250)
Thanks. Do the Corsas have latex tube and removable core? Vittoriaís web page doesnít say!?!? I guess I would assume so but...

Yes to both for Corsa G* and Veloflex. Have not ridden the Corsa 2.0 but would assume so.

Both the Corsa G+ 25 and 28 AND the Vlaanderen are delightful rides.

For context my other experiences were with older used tubulars (really small sizes!), really old clement 66 (came to me nos with a nos 74 ral international) which are really light save for race day type of tire which I thoroughly enjoyed using briefly but not long term óunobtainable now, and Tufos which had no feel and are now my spares only. For me Tufos feel like bricks compared to what I ride now.

Wileyone 05-18-20 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by obuckler (Post 21482438)
Yes to both for Corsa G* and Veloflex. Have not ridden the Corsa 2.0 but would assume so.

Both the Corsa G+ 25 and 28 AND the Vlaanderen are delightful rides.

For context my other experiences were with older used tubulars (really small sizes!), really old clement 66 (came to me nos with a nos 74 ral international) which are really light save for race day type of tire which I thoroughly enjoyed using briefly but not long term óunobtainable now, and Tufos which had no feel and are now my spares only. For me Tufos feel like bricks compared to what I ride now.

I have a set of the tufo hi-carbon composites on one of my bikes. I didn't really like them at first the ride was a bit harsh. Kind of like the ride of most continental tires. But they are very susceptable to air pressure a few pounds here and there can make a big difference in ride quality. They are not latex inner tubes so you don't have to pump them up daily. And they are as tough as nails. But only available as a blackwall.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned the michelin pro 4's these are excellent tires and can be found at very good prices.

L134 05-18-20 03:52 PM


Originally Posted by obuckler (Post 21482438)
Yes to both for Corsa G* and Veloflex. Have not ridden the Corsa 2.0 but would assume so.

Both the Corsa G+ 25 and 28 AND the Vlaanderen are delightful rides.

For context my other experiences were with older used tubulars (really small sizes!), really old clement 66 (came to me nos with a nos 74 ral international) which are really light save for race day type of tire which I thoroughly enjoyed using briefly but not long term óunobtainable now, and Tufos which had no feel and are now my spares only. For me Tufos feel like bricks compared to what I ride now.

Thanks a lot. I just ordered a couple from Merlin. I agree that Vlaanderen are wonderful. One of the four I have finally bit the dust and a second will any time. The two, which were fronts, still have life. I just don't want to wind up having to pay MSRP for decent tires by waiting too long to order new tires.

masi61 05-19-20 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by Wileyone (Post 21482548)
I have a set of the tufo hi-carbon composites on one of my bikes. I didn't really like them at first the ride was a bit harsh. Kind of like the ride of most continental tires. But they are very susceptable to air pressure a few pounds here and there can make a big difference in ride quality. They are not latex inner tubes so you don't have to pump them up daily. And they are as tough as nails. But only available as a blackwall.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned the michelin pro 4's these are excellent tires and can be found at very good prices.

I was asking about the Michelin Power tubular. I see where there was the Pro4 as well. In the USA these don’t seem to be as common. Some of the prices I have seen are ~80 USD to over $100.

Could you give a link link to where these are available at a better price?

I have this Chris King R45 11 speed hubset in silver 28f, 28r that I had laced up to Velocity polished Major Tom rims and they came out beautiful. I’m not planning on using them for cyclocross, just road. In a separate thread, a BF member said the rim base is too flat/wide for road tubulars. I’m bummed about this but plan to forge ahead and try some wider road tubulars and also try some double sided 3M tape to mount them.

Wileyone 05-19-20 06:24 AM


Originally Posted by masi61 (Post 21484014)
I was asking about the Michelin Power tubular. I see where there was the Pro4 as well. In the USA these donít seem to be as common. Some of the prices I have seen are ~80 USD to over $100.

Could you give a link link to where these are available at a better price?

I bought them a couple of years ago at either chain reaction or pro bike kit. They were on sale I think for $120 cad. a pair.

pastorbobnlnh 05-19-20 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by machinist42 (Post 21480144)
These are "sort of" available again!

pastorbobnlnh , did you ever get your second tire? Was it tan wall like the first?

(I ordered a pair of these way back BC, but my order was cancelled. So I tried again, and that and subsequent attempts were all cancelled. Then, the product disappeared altogether. However, I'm nothing if not persistent, and mysteriously, they presented yesterday, albeit "back ordered". so I am trying once again. They are a couple of bucks less now, and shipping is like $18 for the first one, but only $6 for each additional tire in the order. My total with tax for two came to ~$78.)

As best I know, I never have. I've been away from NH since mid-March, but I've not received any notification from Amazon saying that it shipped. I still feel as if I made out well in this instance. :D

squirtdad 05-19-20 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by masi61 (Post 21484014)
I was asking about the Michelin Power tubular. I see where there was the Pro4 as well. In the USA these donít seem to be as common. Some of the prices I have seen are ~80 USD to over $100.

Could you give a link link to where these are available at a better price?

I have this Chris King R45 11 speed hubset in silver 28f, 28r that I had laced up to Velocity polished Major Tom rims and they came out beautiful. Iím not planning on using them for cyclocross, just road. In a separate thread, a BF member said the rim base is too flat/wide for road tubulars. Iím bummed about this but plan to forge ahead and try some wider road tubulars and also try some double sided 3M tape to mount them.

is this tape designed for tubular installs? if not I would suggest get tubular specific tape..... if you are concerned about strength I am pretty sure tufo makes an extreme tape for CX and mountainbike use.

masi61 05-19-20 11:34 AM


Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 21484526)
is this tape designed for tubular installs? if not I would suggest get tubular specific tape..... if you are concerned about strength I am pretty sure tufo makes an extreme tape for CX and mountainbike use.

No it is not tubular specific but it comes recommended in a YouTube by ďCadenĒ an Australian wheel builder who swears by this (generic version) of 3M double sided tape. Iíll double check the width and marking on the tape. In the video he explains the advantages of being able to position your tubular tire properly before peeling back the wax paper then inflating the tire.

As as far as my wider than normal Velocity Major Tom rims, Iíll try different tires and hopefully find some that are road specific that donít end up with a gap at the base tape. 27 to 30 mm would be ideal and hopefully clear whichever frame I ultimately run these on.

ddeand 05-19-20 12:17 PM


Originally Posted by masi61 (Post 21484703)
As as far as my wider than normal Velocity Major Tom rims, Iíll try different tires and hopefully find some that are road specific that donít end up with a gap at the base tape. 27 to 30 mm would be ideal and hopefully clear whichever frame I ultimately run these on.

I was just gifted a Major Tom wheelset - my first set of tubular wheels. I got them from a pretty intense cx racer, so they are shod with Clement PDX tires. I think the tires will work well for gravel and some moderate off-road riding, but I already have a couple pairs of clinchers that also fill that niche. So I would appreciate you keeping us posted with anything you come up with for more road-worthy tires that will fit the Major Toms. Iím pretty nervous about getting into the tubular world after spending so many decades not using them. I just really want to use these new wheels. Thanks!

obuckler 05-19-20 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by masi61 (Post 21484703)
. ......,,,,,,,,,,,(delete),,,,,...In the video he explains the advantages of being able to position your tubular tire properly before peeling back the wax paper then inflating the tire.
............

this is the advantage of any tape probably, it is this way for Tufo which I used. Itís real slick way to mount. For me I also found it a big disadvantage when I had to change out an old one. The tape stuck so good it was extremely hard to remove a tire and I realized I would never be able to do this out on the road.

On the earlier comment on Pit Stop ... I tried a couple of cans of it. It sealed a slow leak once for a Tufo well, but on a Corsa tire after a flat it worked for a few rides but not for long, Same hole opened back up later so just unsewed it up and repaired it normal the old way.

jonwvara 05-25-20 01:14 PM

A couple of beginner tubular questions:

Vermont roads--even paved ones, of which there are not many--tend to be rough. The narrowest clinchers I use are 28mm, so I'd like to start with some wide, relatively low-pressure tubulars. I can't see 22mm tires pumped up to 140 psi working out well for me. What's a good beginner option in a wide tire, preferably a butyl-tubed one?

Will tires of that width fit well on an early 70s rim that was probably designed with 22-24mm tires in mind? I can't give an actual width, because I don't have the wheels in hand yet.

Also, is anyone here riding on a set of Tufo HICC 28s? They seem to be reasonably priced--an important criteria for me--but I can't find much information about them.

smontanaro 05-25-20 03:46 PM


Originally Posted by jonwvara (Post 21496342)
Will tires of that width fit well on an early 70s rim that was probably designed with 22-24mm tires in mind? I can't give an actual width, because I don't have the wheels in hand yet.

My Griffon has Veloflex Vlaanderen (27mm true-to-size) glued to Ambrosio Montreal Durex rims (Specialized hubs complete the package). My Frejus TdF also has Vlaanderen, this time fixed to AVA rims. Both sets of rims date from that era. I've had no problem.

My Redcay has 25mm Vittoria Rally tubulars (substantially cheaper than the Veloflex tubulars). Can't recall the rims at the moment, but again, no problem.

I'm not sure there is a truly wide tubular tire at an entry level price point. I get Vlaanderen for about $60 on sale. The Rallys can be found for about half that. I would be happy to ride my Redcay on Vermont roads.

I wouldn't worry about latex vs butyl tubes. The time it takes to bring the the up to pressure before a ride is minimal. In my mind, the improved ride is worth it.

L134 05-25-20 08:09 PM


Originally Posted by jonwvara (Post 21496342)
A couple of beginner tubular questions:

Vermont roads--even paved ones, of which there are not many--tend to be rough. The narrowest clinchers I use are 28mm, so I'd like to start with some wide, relatively low-pressure tubulars. I can't see 22mm tires pumped up to 140 psi working out well for me. What's a good beginner option in a wide tire, preferably a butyl-tubed one?

Will tires of that width fit well on an early 70s rim that was probably designed with 22-24mm tires in mind? I can't give an actual width, because I don't have the wheels in hand yet.

Also, is anyone here riding on a set of Tufo HICC 28s? They seem to be reasonably priced--an important criteria for me--but I can't find much information about them.

I did a motel to motel tour of around 400 miles in New England (including VT) last fall on Vlaanderens and had no problems at all. I used rear panniers. We rode mostly on pavement but some hard pack and some gravel rail trail. Iím not obsessive about tire pressure and guess I was riding them at something like 70-75 psi using a thumb test. At home I pump them to 60psi up front and 75 in back and they are very comfortable. I weigh 170.

jonwvara 05-26-20 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by L134 (Post 21497079)
I did a motel to motel tour of around 400 miles in New England (including VT) last fall on Vlaanderens and had no problems at all. I used rear panniers. We rode mostly on pavement but some hard pack and some gravel rail trail. Iím not obsessive about tire pressure and guess I was riding them at something like 70-75 psi using a thumb test. At home I pump them to 60psi up front and 75 in back and they are very comfortable. I weigh 170.

I like those pressures, and I also weigh 170. So useful information, thanks.


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