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cudak888 03-13-21 08:35 PM

Installed a pulley wheel in my '52 today and decided to put on a small Sports show for myself:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cf0872fe08.jpg

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0f1a31947b.jpg

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c7fc3adce1.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9946bdcf59.jpg

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...41c6bd65a2.jpg

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4d5fcda07e.jpg

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f84d7446fe.jpg

-Kurt

browngw 03-13-21 10:40 PM

I also did a little backyard Three Speed Show just before putting mine away for the winter.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e373ab61d5.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5ce3d4bce9.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...402721dcb2.jpg

gster 03-14-21 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 21966280)

I did the same thing last summer...
Party of one.....

erileykc 03-14-21 05:13 PM

The indicator pin on my 1979 Tourist popped out of the hub today on the return leg of a 20 mile ride. I haven't dissembled the hub yet as it happened just before dark and I won't be back to where the bike is for a month. I'm trying to round up the usual suspects on fixing this before I return hopefully with the likely parts in hand. The pin only seems to grab threads on the last turn into the hub but the pin threads like and feel to be in good shape. I over hauled the hub three years ago and it's been working reasonably well since then until now. Would it be reasonable to ASSume that a new indicator pin and new axel key would cover all the bases on repairing the hub or are there other things I should look at? Second question is where to find parts. Are modern replacements available and any good or should I be looking for used hubs or parts?

Thanks for any suggestions

thumpism 03-14-21 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by erileykc (Post 21967277)
The indicator pin on my 1979 Tourist popped out of the hub today on the return leg of a 20 mile ride. I haven't dissembled the hub yet as it happened just before dark and I won't be back to where the bike is for a month. I'm trying to round up the usual suspects on fixing this before I return hopefully with the likely parts in hand. The pin only seems to grab threads on the last turn into the hub but the pin threads like and feel to be in good shape. I over hauled the hub three years ago and it's been working reasonably well since then until now. Would it be reasonable to ASSume that a new indicator pin and new axel key would cover all the bases on repairing the hub or are there other things I should look at? Second question is where to find parts. Are modern replacements available and any good or should I be looking for used hubs or parts?

Thanks for any suggestions

I wouldn't worry about used parts if that's all I could get. I might have the new pieces in a couple of Sturmey boxes.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4aba272b9c.jpg

barnfind 03-15-21 06:36 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 21960388)
+1 for "hammer-fisted genetic wonder".

I'll second it.
It sure does seem to sum up the type to do those kind of repairs.

It all goes back to two things:
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
and
"You can't fix stupid"

I've been working on bikes for over 40 years and can't count how many bikes were turned to scrap metal by someone with a big hammer, a pipe wrench or a welding torch.

gster 03-15-21 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by erileykc (Post 21967277)
The indicator pin on my 1979 Tourist popped out of the hub today on the return leg of a 20 mile ride. I haven't dissembled the hub yet as it happened just before dark and I won't be back to where the bike is for a month. I'm trying to round up the usual suspects on fixing this before I return hopefully with the likely parts in hand. The pin only seems to grab threads on the last turn into the hub but the pin threads like and feel to be in good shape. I over hauled the hub three years ago and it's been working reasonably well since then until now. Would it be reasonable to ASSume that a new indicator pin and new axel key would cover all the bases on repairing the hub or are there other things I should look at? Second question is where to find parts. Are modern replacements available and any good or should I be looking for used hubs or parts?

Thanks for any suggestions

May be a silly question..
Have you tried just re installing the indicator and seeing what happens?
it seems like an odd failure..

gster 03-15-21 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 21964379)
Around 2:43 or so in the video I see a man who seems to be a temporary cog in the machine. Such is life now and ahead.


dweenk 03-15-21 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by barnfind (Post 21967861)
I'll second it.

It all goes back to two things:
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
and
"You can't fix stupid"

I think there is one more thing:
"Git 'er done"

erileykc 03-15-21 07:13 PM

Yup, tried rethreading the indicator pin multiple times on the way back and it seems to thread in but then when tugged on even slightly it it pops out as if only the last thread was seated. I didn't have a chance to disassemble the hub before I left but when I do return to the house the Tourist is my only transportation so I was hoping to go back with those parts that would fix it regardless of what it turns out to be. Thus my question as to whether anything other than the indicator pin or the axel key could account for this. I know lots of people here have much older hubs than this still working well but I also read that the Raleighs by the late 70s were having a lot of corners cut. Not sure if this issue is emblematic of that or just bad luck.


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21967969)
May be a silly question..
Have you tried just re installing the indicator and seeing what happens?
it seems like an odd failure..


Unca_Sam 03-15-21 07:15 PM


Originally Posted by erileykc (Post 21969297)
Yup, tried rethreading the indicator pin multiple times on the way back and it seems to thread in but then when tugged on even slightly it it pops out as if only the last thread was seated. I didn't have a chance to disassemble the hub before I left but when I do return to the house the Tourist is my only transportation so I was hoping to go back with those parts that would fix it regardless of what it turns out to be. Thus my question as to whether anything other than the indicator pin or the axel key could account for this. I know lots of people here have much older hubs than this still working well but I also read that the Raleighs by the late 70s were having a lot of corners cut. Not sure if this issue is emblematic of that or just bad luck.

Yeah, I would agree that if something's broken and causing this failure, a new pin and key should solve it.

Ghostknife 03-15-21 07:26 PM

Well, bought my first 3speed, bought what looks like a complete Ď77 Raleigh Sports. Won it at a auction for $29.99. Iíll be picking it up Friday, so we will actually see what condition itís in.

Edit: looks to be missing the rear reflector.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a0b980b9b.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...db174f408.jpeg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...21ca17c0e.jpeg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...586ac7244.jpeg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0465750be.jpeg

clubman 03-15-21 07:28 PM

Looks great. Repack and get a new saddle and Bob's your uncle.

cudak888 03-15-21 07:32 PM

Looks as if it'll clean up remarkably well. Excellent score. I'll bet it's a '78 or '79, given that there's no white tail.

These later ones lend themselves to modernization nicely too. They really wake up with aluminum rims and a Nexus hub.

-Kurt

Ghostknife 03-15-21 08:24 PM

Thanks to all, I have been looking through all the sports threads I can find trying to do some learning on them. I was looking for some Sun CR18s and they prove to be quite difficult to find. Iíll post some cleaned up pictures when I get it home. Excited to add this to the stable and ride it to work. Have a 10 mile round trip bike path route to work.

SirMike1983 03-15-21 08:31 PM

The last time I had the indicator pop out and not go back in was quite a few years ago. Turned out to be a broken axle key. They do break on rare occasion.

clubman 03-15-21 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ghostknife (Post 21969422)
Thanks to all, I have been looking through all the sports threads I can find trying to do some learning on them. I was looking for some Sun CR18s and they prove to be quite difficult to find. I’ll post some cleaned up pictures when I get it home. Excited to add this to the stable and ride it to work. Have a 10 mile round trip bike path route to work.

If you rebuild bearings, lube or replace cables, use nice new pads, you can dial in the Sports without the Sun Rims. It can be done. Suns can come later. 10 km/miles is perfect.

BFisher 03-15-21 09:30 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21969440)
If you rebuild bearings, lube or replace cables, use nice new pads, you can dial in the Sports without the Sun Rims. It can be done. Suns can come later. 10 km/miles is perfect.

Amen to that. It seems like too much emphasis gets put on the need to "upgrade" to aluminum rims asap by the well-meaning bike nerd masses. For basic transport/utility a steel rim is totally fine, and the braking issue is not nearly as serious or urgent as is so often parroted. I get totally adequate performance from 46 year old rod brakes on steel rims with fresh new pads.

I will also add that by far the most difficult rim I have ever had for mounting tires was a pair of Sun CR18s in 590, and I sometimes run the notorious Ambrosio Extra Elite Durex 700c on my bikes. Those CR18s were brand new, and so incredibly difficult to mount tires to that I gave them away.

Ghostknife 03-16-21 05:30 AM

I wont be doing anything before I clean and inspect everything, just looking at all options before I pick up the bike (part of the fun). I do know that it needs tires so the plan is to order those today, just not too sure what tires I wanna go with. So far I have found that not much is in stock, assuming that is due to covid. I recall seeing a list of tires in the 590 sizing somewhere on here so I will have to try to find that again.

browngw 03-16-21 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by erileykc (Post 21969297)
Yup, tried rethreading the indicator pin multiple times on the way back and it seems to thread in but then when tugged on even slightly it it pops out as if only the last thread was seated. I didn't have a chance to disassemble the hub before I left but when I do return to the house the Tourist is my only transportation so I was hoping to go back with those parts that would fix it regardless of what it turns out to be. Thus my question as to whether anything other than the indicator pin or the axel key could account for this. I know lots of people here have much older hubs than this still working well but I also read that the Raleighs by the late 70s were having a lot of corners cut. Not sure if this issue is emblematic of that or just bad luck.

Its too bad you didn't live around the corner as I have plenty of the keys and likely a spare indicator for a DL1. On my 79 DL1 the indicator is longer than my seventies sports.

BFisher 03-16-21 12:00 PM


Originally Posted by Ghostknife (Post 21969689)
I wont be doing anything before I clean and inspect everything, just looking at all options before I pick up the bike (part of the fun). I do know that it needs tires so the plan is to order those today, just not too sure what tires I wanna go with. So far I have found that not much is in stock, assuming that is due to covid. I recall seeing a list of tires in the 590 sizing somewhere on here so I will have to try to find that again.

I have had Panaracer's Col de la Vie, cheapos from Kmart, and Schwalbe Delta Cruisers, and if I were looking for 590 size tires I'd try to get my hands on the Schwalbes. I really like them, and they will take higher pressure than the Panaracers.

Ghostknife 03-16-21 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by BFisher (Post 21970326)
I have had Panaracer's Col de la Vie, cheapos from Kmart, and Schwalbe Delta Cruisers, and if I were looking for 590 size tires I'd try to get my hands on the Schwalbes. I really like them, and they will take higher pressure than the Panaracers.

I see the Schwalbe's come in the 590x37 and 590x42, anyone have insight on if the wider ones would fit, be better, slower, ect?

BFisher 03-16-21 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Ghostknife (Post 21970337)
I see the Schwalbe's come in the 590x37 and 590x42, anyone have insight on if the wider ones would fit, be better, slower, ect?

I have the 37 size on my wife's '64 Huffy (Raleigh) Sportsman and there doesn't seem to be much more room between the chain stays, although I've never tried to fit 42s.

Unca_Sam 03-16-21 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by BFisher (Post 21970351)
I have the 37 size on my wife's '64 Huffy (Raleigh) Sportsman and there doesn't seem to be much more room between the chain stays, although I've never tried to fit 42s.

EA-3's only came in 1 3/8" thickness, right?

BFisher 03-16-21 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by Unca_Sam (Post 21970735)
EA-3's only came in 1 3/8" thickness, right?

Sounds right?

On Schwalbe's website I only see 37-590 (26x1 3/8) for the regular Delta Cruiser.
SJS Cycles shows a 26x1 5/8 Marathon Plus.

I'd just stick with the 26x1 3/8 (37-590). Never felt like they were lacking. They ride fine.

Unca_Sam 03-16-21 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by BFisher (Post 21970755)
Sounds right?

On Schwalbe's website I only see 37-590 (26x1 3/8) for the regular Delta Cruiser.
SJS Cycles shows a 26x1 5/8 Marathon Plus.

I'd just stick with the 26x1 3/8 (37-590). Never felt like they were lacking. They ride fine.

They do! Even the lowly Kendas. Inflation is key (hint, it's not usually going to be max inflation unless you plus bike weight is approaching 300 lbs.)

clubman 03-16-21 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by Unca_Sam (Post 21970735)
EA-3's only came in 1 3/8" thickness, right?

No, I've got a pair of Continental City Runners (?) at 1" ! They're like road tires.

howie2wheels 03-16-21 04:58 PM

Supremacy 3sp Roadster
 
Back about 1962 in Toronto, Canada I had a yellow English Supremacy 3 speed SA roadster bike and I can't find any info about it on the net. Anbody remember them?

browngw 03-16-21 09:16 PM

The Schwalbe Delta cruisers have worked great on my Robin Hood and no flats yet. 37-590
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...67423d8b51.jpg

AustinFitz 03-16-21 09:25 PM

Finally decided to do something with it and pulled this out of the pile today. Sturmey Archer hub is dated May of 1979. Frame is made in Taiwan, but it was free so I really can't complain. Unfortunately there's a lot of rust... Not exactly sure what the plan is yet, so I'm just going to start disassembling and then cleaning everything.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bec1169f71.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9a8c635402.jpg
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...49038d3b2c.jpg
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