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clubman 12-19-17 05:16 AM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20060973)
Question is the 2 1960 bikes i have the Sturmey Archer spoke drop type rims like the others but the spoke area is a satin finish around the center not polished chrome. I tried to look up this but no avail. whats up with that. Not complaining just wonder why? They are very nice.

You mean Dunlop rim? In my experience, the unpolished centre line rims were common up to the early/mid 50's and went away. Somehow they made their way on to a 60's bike...rebuilt wheels, old stock stashed away?

jman0war 12-19-17 06:38 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20061002)
This is how I would handle this fender, just my opinion. I would smooth out the rust on the underside by sanding or wire brush on a drill. Not down to bare steel, just enough to knock off loose rust then brush in a coat of black Rustoleum. If any areas, like the very end looks thin, I would reinforce it with some JB Weld before painting. Personally, for the top surface, I would just give it a coat of wax and leave it at that. I've found that if you wax a bike occasionally and keep it in a reasonably dry place, any rust will stabilize and not get any worse. But if I do decide to patch a painted primary surface, I'll very carefully smooth (somewhat) the rust and paint it over with an artists brush. I use the gloss black because it's easier to remove gloss than add it. The patched spot will stand out because the gloss won't match the rest of the paint, so after a week of drying, I'll use a polishing compound on the whole fender to blend in the patch. Generally, if the gloss of the repair matches the rest of the fender, it will still be noticeable, but it won't jump out at you.

Thanks, is black Rustoleum basically just spray paint?

BigChief 12-19-17 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by jman0war (Post 20061164)
Thanks, is black Rustoleum basically just spray paint?

No, I use the small can and brush on the paint. For the underside of that fender, I'd brush on 2 coats. Touching up primary surfaces is something I do sparingly. Sometimes it works very well and you have to look closely to see the repair, but usually you can notice it. It depends on where it is on the bike and the condition of the surrounding paint. From the look of this fender, I'd be inclined to paint the underside and just wax the top. There's plenty of paint left, the pinstripes are still intact, but there's lots of small rust spots. Hard to match in a repair. Not that a repair is always a bad thing. I have touched up the edges of fenders. You may not notice it at first glance, but it won't match the rest of the paint exactly. That might be preferable to a bare rust spot. It's a tough call.

restlessswind 12-19-17 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20060668)
That men's bike looks like a 21" but the ladies' looks like a 23". I have 23s in each and that men's looks like a smaller frame than the one I have.

Thanks for the clarification :)

johnnyspaghetti 12-19-17 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20057522)

sold $989

BigChief 12-19-17 09:19 PM

Nah, just relisted. As nice as it is, the world just isn't ready for thousand dollar 3 speeds...thankfully

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Raleig....c100011.m1850

gster 12-20-17 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20062701)
Nah, just relisted. As nice as it is, the world just isn't ready for thousand dollar 3 speeds...thankfully

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Raleig....c100011.m1850

Here's a restoration kit out of Ireland for 466 pounds or close to $1000.00.
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bwilli88 12-20-17 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20063003)
Here's a restoration kit out of Ireland for 466 pounds or close to $1000.00.

or closer to $625

gster 12-20-17 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by bwilli88 (Post 20063107)
or closer to $625

I failed to use the currency converter.....

johnnyspaghetti 12-20-17 12:12 PM

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Against my better judgement I am going to touch up this frame The "made in England" decal is no longer there. The other decals are in OK condition.

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markk900 12-20-17 05:49 PM

I am curious about that restoration kit....how much of the stuff included is even close to the original quality?

johnnyspaghetti 12-20-17 09:47 PM

Fables come & go so does spam

johnnyspaghetti 12-20-17 10:00 PM

Here is the start.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...2912-local0&zw

gster 12-21-17 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20064118)
I am curious about that restoration kit....how much of the stuff included is even close to the original quality?

Most of the parts are sourced from India where Roadster style bikes are still big sellers.
BSA Roadster below. Single speed with rod and lever brakes.
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ThermionicScott 12-21-17 11:36 AM

That rack looks flimsy as hell. :lol:

nlerner 12-22-17 03:45 PM

Not an English-made 3-speed but one on the spirit that I picked up today for relatively small money: Taiwanese-made Schwinn Collegiate with Shimano rear hub (and bell crank on the non-drive side w/ coaster brake), 26 x 1 3/8" wheels, and a funky front basket. Front fork looks a bit tweaked but it tracked straight on my test ride. Finish is in quite good shape:

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gster 12-22-17 04:17 PM

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adventurepdx 12-22-17 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20067557)
Not an English-made 3-speed but one on the spirit that I picked up today for relatively small money: Taiwanese-made Schwinn Collegiate with Shimano rear hub (and bell crank on the non-drive side w/ coaster brake), 26 x 1 3/8" wheels, and a funky front basket. Front fork looks a bit tweaked but it tracked straight on my test ride. Finish is in quite good shape:

Nice! Had one of those Tiawanese (Giant?) 80's Collegiates just like that. Enjoyed it before it got stolen.

One thing to note, though is that those 26" x 1 3/8" wheels are the Schwinn specific size, not the common British size. The Schwinn size is 597mm (which would be 26" x 1 1/4" in British specs), whereas the British size is 590mm. Unfortunately there is not much selection in tires for the Schwinn size, maybe one or two cheap Kenda/CST offerings. And the sizes are off just enough that you probably can't get the 590 tire on the 597 rim.

It's really only a big deal if you a) want a decent tire selection and b) stop in the rain (those wheels are steel, IIRC.) Otherwise, building new 590 wheels with the Sun CR18 rims is an option.

nlerner 12-22-17 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 20067834)
Nice! Had one of those Tiawanese (Giant?) 80's Collegiates just like that. Enjoyed it before it got stolen.

One thing to note, though is that those 26" x 1 3/8" wheels are the Schwinn specific size, not the common British size. The Schwinn size is 597mm (which would be 26" x 1 1/4" in British specs), whereas the British size is 590mm. Unfortunately there is not much selection in tires for the Schwinn size, maybe one or two cheap Kenda/CST offerings. And the sizes are off just enough that you probably can't get the 590 tire on the 597 rim.

It's really only a big deal if you a) want a decent tire selection and b) stop in the rain (those wheels are steel, IIRC.) Otherwise, building new 590 wheels with the Sun CR18 rims is an option.

I wondered about that before picking the bike up, but they’re both 590mm wheels (and, yes, steel rims).

adventurepdx 12-22-17 07:10 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20067872)
I wondered about that before picking the bike up, but they’re both 590mm wheels (and, yes, steel rims).

Interesting! My bike from that era was definitely 597. It would seem more logical for a bike coming from Taiwan to have the 590 wheels, but maybe Schwinn still had a pile of 597 wheels they wanted to use up?

johnnyspaghetti 12-23-17 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20067615)

This is a unfortunate piece junk


https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/s...aleigh+chopper

https://images.craigslist.org/00202_...cz_300x300.jpg

johnnyspaghetti 12-23-17 03:32 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20067557)
Not an English-made 3-speed but one on the spirit that I picked up today for relatively small money: Taiwanese-made Schwinn Collegiate with Shimano rear hub (and bell crank on the non-drive side w/ coaster brake), 26 x 1 3/8" wheels, and a funky front basket. Front fork looks a bit tweaked but it tracked straight on my test ride. Finish is in quite good shape:


https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4642/...9c496f31_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4595/...ba6d726b_c.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4593/...9692e936_c.jpg

I have a box full of a 71 or 72 Collegiate with good chrome all fasteners, parts, the solid steel fork included, no frame. I don't think anything will fit that one except the brakes.

dweenk 12-23-17 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20067557)
Not an English-made 3-speed but one on the spirit that I picked up today for relatively small money: Taiwanese-made Schwinn Collegiate with Shimano rear hub (and bell crank on the non-drive side w/ coaster brake), 26 x 1 3/8" wheels, and a funky front basket. Front fork looks a bit tweaked but it tracked straight on my test ride. Finish is in quite good shape:

I have a ton of internal Shimano 3 speed parts if you should need them - yours for the cost of shipping (but no face plate for the shifter. I think I have 1 or 2 bell cranks.

nlerner 12-23-17 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20069260)
I have a ton of internal Shimano 3 speed parts if you should need them - yours for the cost of shipping (but no face plate for the shifter. I think I have 1 or 2 bell cranks.

Thanks! So far, looks like all three gears and the coaster brake are working. I don’t whether or not to tempt fate and overhaul it.

johnnyspaghetti 12-23-17 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by johnnyspaghetti (Post 20064501)

The train has left the station. Some black lacquer on there to wet sand yet then clear after that. It is IMO too glossy. But all original paint is there.

https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&i...0464-local0&zw


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