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MoAlpha 08-31-22 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by Mojo31 (Post 22630860)
Because chests assplode!

I just can't get mine to do that.

Mojo31 08-31-22 09:41 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22630871)
I just can't get mine to do that.

Been lucky so far, but there are times when it feels like it is about to.

Bah Humbug 08-31-22 09:47 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22630847)
Why is it cycling folk wisdom that old people need to limit their HR to some arbitrary number or they'll drop dead?

Some say they've been told by their doctors.

I'd love to get mine that high again; hopefully soon I'll be able to run hard enough to do that. It doesn't happen on the trainer.

genejockey 08-31-22 09:56 AM

Skunked.
Wordle 438 X/6

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genejockey 08-31-22 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Bah Humbug (Post 22630894)
Some say they've been told by their doctors.

I'd love to get mine that high again; hopefully soon I'll be able to run hard enough to do that. It doesn't happen on the trainer.

I think a lot of GPs are not acquainted with endurance sports, or endurance athletes, and for them, if one of their more sedentary patients told them their HR had been > 120 for 4 1/2 hours, it would be some kind of major health crisis, rather than a fairly relaxed Sunday afternoon ride.

rjones28 08-31-22 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by bampilot06 (Post 22630743)
made the call of shame this morning and my wife said suck it up, then hung up on me. Had to really dig deep to make it home. A couple of times I thought about just letting it all end.


Im not sure why, but this mornings ride sucked. It started bad too. Alarm went off at 330 am. I got caffeinated, suited up and went to go and my head light was not on my bike. I had charged all my gear the previous day, everything was present but my head light. I spent one whole hour silently tearing my whole house apart trying to find it. Found it in my unborn sons room. Grabbed it and launched.

heart rate off the gate was high, I was keeping a decent pace but not pushing it. Was def in zone 2 most of the time but my heart rate was in the 160s. Mile 40 I started to feel normal but my massive quads developed a massive cramp. Never have I had cramping like this and it was in both legs. I know I def was dehydrated, but over all it was depressing.

Called the wife at the end of the metric. Todays goal was a century but the big man up stairs must have had other plans.

Your wife was right.

genejockey 08-31-22 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22630871)
I just can't get mine to do that.

Last time I did a Zwift race, I got close to that. I find it hard to keep going in Ramp Tests, but in a race I'm not watching my power and HR, just trying to figure when I need to make an almighty effort and whether I can sustain it to the line. Ramp tests I run my HR up into the 160s. Races I've gone over 170.

Bah Humbug 08-31-22 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22630913)
I think a lot of GPs are not acquainted with endurance sports, or endurance athletes, and for them, if one of their more sedentary patients told them their HR had been > 120 for 4 1/2 hours, it would be some kind of major health crisis, rather than a fairly relaxed Sunday afternoon ride.

That'd be a "new doctor" situation for me, but easy to say in Boulder and Austin.

rjones28 08-31-22 10:33 AM

Double take of the day:

A pick up truck with a snow plow just went by.

#toosoon

Mojo31 08-31-22 10:54 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22630953)
Double take of the day:

A pick up truck with a snow plow just went by.

#toosoon

#lifeinfrigidnorth

Eric F 08-31-22 10:55 AM

Wordle 438 6/6. Blah.

MoAlpha 08-31-22 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22630932)
Last time I did a Zwift race, I got close to that. I find it hard to keep going in Ramp Tests, but in a race I'm not watching my power and HR, just trying to figure when I need to make an almighty effort and whether I can sustain it to the line. Ramp tests I run my HR up into the 160s. Races I've gone over 170.

Last week I did a ramp, in 3 min/25W steps from Z1 to about 1.25 x FTP, for lactate testing. It definitely helped to have two guys yelling at me. No way I could have completed it on my own. However, my HR only got to 170 and it routinely gets higher than that when I ride with the local knuckleheads. I can even hit 180 once or twice a year, but it just hurts, never assplodes, and I don't die.

Eric F 08-31-22 11:02 AM

My current max is 189. When I'm feeling good, I can sustain a hard effort in the mid-170s, and make repeated short efforts to 180. However, I've always had a high HR. In my prime (early 30s), I was seeing a max of 207, and could climb for extended periods at 192.

DougRNS 08-31-22 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by rjones28 (Post 22630953)
Double take of the day:

A pick up truck with a snow plow just went by.
#toosoon

Was ​​​​Velo Vol driving it?

datlas 08-31-22 11:38 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22630847)
Why is it cycling folk wisdom that old people need to limit their HR to some arbitrary number or they'll drop dead?

IDK but it's not true, obv.

datlas 08-31-22 11:39 AM

We had a really good ride today. We had a couple newer riders who were stronger than average, so of course the pace was a bit spirited. The temperature and road conditions were good, and a splendid time was had by all.

MoAlpha 08-31-22 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22631004)
My current max is 189. When I'm feeling good, I can sustain a hard effort in the mid-170s, and make repeated short efforts to 180. However, I've always had a high HR. In my prime (early 30s), I was seeing a max of 207, and could climb for extended periods at 192.

I'm old now, but I used to live happily in the 180s and could hit the 200s when I was running competitively and I got my first Polar watch in about 2003. For some reason, however, a high HR did not make me fast.

genejockey 08-31-22 11:53 AM


Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 22631004)
My current max is 189. When I'm feeling good, I can sustain a hard effort in the mid-170s, and make repeated short efforts to 180. However, I've always had a high HR. In my prime (early 30s), I was seeing a max of 207, and could climb for extended periods at 192.

These days I see 170 rarely, but I'm not pushing as hard as I was 20 years ago when I'd see 185 sometimes. But I also feel like my entire HR zone range moved downward about 10 bpm in the last 3 years. It used to be that as long as I was on a bike, my HR was never below 120, and most of my rides would have averages in the 140 range. These days the speeds are quite a bit higher, but the average HR is a lot lower.

Just for fun, I went back in Strava all the way to 2018 and looked at Sunday rides in August/September - this is about peak fitness for the year, when I do my longest rides, after months of ramping up.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d77f13f6d1.jpg
I must be doing something right.

genejockey 08-31-22 11:55 AM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22630994)
Last week I did a ramp, in 3 min/25W steps from Z1 to about 1.25 x FTP, for lactate testing. It definitely helped to have two guys yelling at me. No way I could have completed it on my own. However, my HR only got to 170 and it routinely gets higher than that when I ride with the local knuckleheads. I can even hit 180 once or twice a year, but it just hurts, never assplodes, and I don't die.

You're sure about that? Maybe this is Hell.

MoAlpha 08-31-22 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22631098)
You're sure about that? Maybe this is Hell.


Why, this is hell, nor am I out of it.
Think'st thou that I, who saw the face of God
And tasted the eternal joys of heaven,
Am not tormented with ten thousand hells?
Christopher Marlowe

genejockey 08-31-22 12:03 PM


Originally Posted by MoAlpha (Post 22631108)
Christopher Marlowe

Better to reign in Heav'n, than to serve in Hell.
Wait. That can't be right.

EDIT: Which reminds me of "Starship Troopers" when the Sarge yells, "Come on, you apes? You want to live forever?" I always imagine someone at the back yelling, "Wait! Is that an option?"

seedsbelize2 08-31-22 12:09 PM

It has never crossed my mind to keep track of my heart rate, and you guys have been doing it since time immemorial.

MoAlpha 08-31-22 12:15 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22631122)
It has never crossed my mind to keep track of my heart rate, and you guys have been doing it since time immemorial.

I've actually been counting the beats!

genejockey 08-31-22 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by seedsbelize2 (Post 22631122)
It has never crossed my mind to keep track of my heart rate, and you guys have been doing it since time immemorial.

Once I got an HRM, I discovered that my Perceived Exertion was wildly out of sync with it at time. E.g., there's a couple miles of 1-2% descent - straight, no stops, wide bike lanes - that I'd go zooming down, thinking I was hardly exerting effort, but I was actually doing Tempo.

Mojo31 08-31-22 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by genejockey (Post 22631135)
Once I got an HRM, I discovered that my Perceived Exertion was wildly out of sync with it at time. E.g., there's a couple miles of 1-2% descent - straight, no stops, wide bike lanes - that I'd go zooming down, thinking I was hardly exerting effort, but I was actually doing Tempo.

On the other hand, there are times when I believe I am busting my ballz and will die, only to find that I'm merrily (or not so merrily) rolling along in Z1.


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