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tcs 04-03-24 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by Small cog (Post 23198580)
Has anyone else done a tour on their 3 speed?

First leg of tour: light rail + Amtrak to get out of the city. SRAM I3 fitted to BikeFriday tikit.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...703d41b1d.jpeg

bluesteak 04-09-24 03:09 PM

Sturmey archer fm
 
I tried this as a separate thread and no one responded.

I have a SA FM that works fine, but is noisy in normal gear. I removed the internals from the wheel, just to see if I could at least see how it works.

I am thinking the primary gear set is likely worn. If so, does anyone stock parts? It doesnít seem likely that it would share parts excepting planet pins, pawl pins and springs with other hubs.

It seems like noise in normal gear would show up in AWís as well. Has anyone had trouble with that? Is there an easy remedy?

Salubrious 04-09-24 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 23210005)
I tried this as a separate thread and no one responded.

I have a SA FM that works fine, but is noisy in normal gear. I removed the internals from the wheel, just to see if I could at least see how it works.

I am thinking the primary gear set is likely worn. If so, does anyone stock parts? It doesnít seem likely that it would share parts excepting planet pins, pawl pins and springs with other hubs.

It seems like noise in normal gear would show up in AWís as well. Has anyone had trouble with that? Is there an easy remedy?

There's a bit of a nuance going on. The 4-speeds need the cones adjusted exactly, the AWs need every so slightly a bit of slop. How are yours set up?

bluesteak 04-09-24 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 23210012)
There's a bit of a nuance going on. The 4-speeds need the cones adjusted exactly, the AWs need every so slightly a bit of slop. How are yours set up?

Right now the internals are out of the hub. Generally I am of the little bit of slop school.

Iíll put it back together and see how it goes.

With an AW I tighten the drive side down tight and back off 1/2 to 3/4 turn. Then I set up the left side a little sloppy. Is that why the left side doesnít have the lock washer with tabs?

SirMike1983 04-10-24 07:47 AM

The FM and FC hubs are in a family apart from the AW or even the FW hub. They are mechanically different. The drive side cone is set first, finger tight and loosen 1/2 to 3/4 turn. It should not be loosened more than 3/4 turn. Non-drive bearing adjustment is for the slightest play at the rim. It is less tolerant of play than the AW or even the FW. Was there any visible wear on any of the parts when you dismantled the hub?

SirMike1983 04-10-24 07:51 AM

Hopefully we're finally turning the corner here into better weather - finally getting some warmth. It seemed like we were ready to start spring, but then got hit with two inches of new snow. It has melted and hopefully that is the end of winter here. I took out the 1959 Traveler yesterday evening while the weather was good.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...28319335_n.jpg

bluesteak 04-10-24 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 23210636)
The FM and FC hubs are in a family apart from the AW or even the FW hub. They are mechanically different. The drive side cone is set first, finger tight and loosen 1/2 to 3/4 turn. It should not be loosened more than 3/4 turn. Non-drive bearing adjustment is for the slightest play at the rim. It is less tolerant of play than the AW or even the FW. Was there any visible wear on any of the parts when you dismantled the hub?

This morning before I read this post I reinstalled the internals and set the hub up without as much slop. I took the bike for a spin and it is definitely quieter. Although there is still extra noise in normal gear.

I took the internals out as a unit, and didnít make any attempt at further disassembly since I figured it still worked and I wasnít likely to find replacement parts. Itís 70 years old and likely there is some wear. When I first got the hub before it was built into a wheel, I did resurface the cones with a wet stone.

I did learn a few things. I could see the the secondary planet holder turns the main sun gear when you select the lowest gear. I havenít been able to figure out the gear reduction that that creates.

I had an ahah moment when I saw the large diameter spring between the secondary and primary gear trains. ď So, thatís what those springs are for that I sent Mike in the trade.Ē

Road Fan 04-10-24 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Cyclespanner (Post 23199665)
I read Persig's book while at college in my late teens in the 70's and was mystified by the theme.
Some of it must have sunk in, though at the time I was still shedding the last vestiges of being a callow youth.
Still have the book, but each time I pick it up, I put it down.
I've never found two people who shared the same interpretive experience reading the book,

I felt he eventually threw out the entire idea of Quality, meaning the idea that of two similar items, we assign more value to one than another. Like tubulars over clinchers or 531 over high tensile steel, but he was thinking much more broadly than that. I read it mostly in the Ď70s, but didnít finish it until after Enhineering school in the Ď80s, so I donít recall how or if he treated a resolution for how it went on. Iím not interested in revisiting him. I think he got his phd in philosophy, so kudos for that!

Between Pirsig, John Muir (How to keep your Volkswagen alive) and the Tom Cuthbertsonís books on bicycle mechanics and being rough and ready when your touring situation demands it, I gained a lot which I still use in mt own mechanistic life, and in my aerospace and automotive engineering career, since college days

bharrisonb 04-10-24 05:36 PM

I'm planning a coastal tour on my Raleigh Sports 3-Speed this coming weekend .... I'll update this forum with my travel log. Will be touching 3 States ...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0e58c83326.png

SirMike1983 04-10-24 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by bluesteak (Post 23211119)
This morning before I read this post I reinstalled the internals and set the hub up without as much slop. I took the bike for a spin and it is definitely quieter. Although there is still extra noise in normal gear.

I took the internals out as a unit, and didnít make any attempt at further disassembly since I figured it still worked and I wasnít likely to find replacement parts. Itís 70 years old and likely there is some wear. When I first got the hub before it was built into a wheel, I did resurface the cones with a wet stone.

I did learn a few things. I could see the the secondary planet holder turns the main sun gear when you select the lowest gear. I havenít been able to figure out the gear reduction that that creates.

I had an ahah moment when I saw the large diameter spring between the secondary and primary gear trains. ď So, thatís what those springs are for that I sent Mike in the trade.Ē

Do you need any springs still? I can mail a couple if you need any. PM me if you do.

Small cog 04-11-24 12:15 AM

Here is a new one on me and the seller who gives plenty of background say possibly unique a Hobday Brothers 3 speed, too far away from me luckily, I am not sure I have room for another.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...33d454b9ee.jpg

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828

bluesteak 04-11-24 11:00 AM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 23211213)
Do you need any springs still? I can mail a couple if you need any. PM me if you do.

Thanks for the offer, but I donít foresee needing any. I know where they are if I ever do.

adventurepdx 04-11-24 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 23210641)
Hopefully we're finally turning the corner here into better weather - finally getting some warmth. It seemed like we were ready to start spring, but then got hit with two inches of new snow. It has melted and hopefully that is the end of winter here. I took out the 1959 Traveler yesterday evening while the weather was good.

Ah, the classic middle of April Connecticut snow! I remember how you could be wearing a t-shirt outside one day, and the next day itís snowing. While I miss a lot of things about New England, thatís not one of them.

SirMike1983 04-11-24 01:37 PM


Originally Posted by adventurepdx (Post 23211948)
Ah, the classic middle of April Connecticut snow! I remember how you could be wearing a t-shirt outside one day, and the next day itís snowing. While I miss a lot of things about New England, thatís not one of them.

The week before we had two days that made it up over 60. Of course the weather calls for "cold and rainy", and the two inches of snow at the end of the storm strike as an unpleasant surprise. Two steps forward, one step back in April around here...

1989Pre 04-12-24 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Small cog (Post 23211417)
Here is a new one on me and the seller who gives plenty of background say possibly unique a Hobday Brothers 3 speed, too far away from me luckily, I am not sure I have room for another.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...33d454b9ee.jpg

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828

It's amazing what 5 or 6 hours working on a bike like this will do. I like the period rear lamp.

1989Pre 04-16-24 01:46 PM

First ride of the season. The boat launch is always my first. Brought some lunch and my new mini-binoculars, but all I saw was herring gulls. Nice spot. Sunny, breezy. 60F https://www.mapmyride.com/workout/7877989039/
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4339c24e1a.jpg
Ready for a sandwich of salad greens and tahini.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdb2d9409a.jpg
Had to put a piece of bark under the kick-stand to stabilize the bike.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c2de9aa872.jpg
You can see where the high-tide line is. Tide was coming in.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7eb4a4462.jpg
A pier behind someone's house

clubman 04-17-24 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by Small cog (Post 23211417)
Here is a new one on me and the seller who gives plenty of background say possibly unique a Hobday Brothers 3 speed, too far away from me luckily, I am not sure I have room for another.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...33d454b9ee.jpg

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/326085113828

Lovely original bike with an FM hub goes for 37 pounds . Mudguards could be celluloid. Deal or what.

1989Pre 04-19-24 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 23217505)
Lovely original bike with an FM hub goes for 37 pounds . Mudguards could be celluloid. Deal or what.

Monitor Sheerline brakes, too. Someone with a polishing wheel is going to be a very happy man
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9e167d5e35.jpg

gster 04-21-24 05:03 PM

1972 Superbe
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7a1daa738b.jpg
I've not had this one out for several years but needed to cart some stuff downtown
I was having a hell of a time in third gear and
thought I must be getting old....
Most of my bikes have 19/20/21T cogs
and I thought the original cog on this one was an 18.
I was very surprised to find this one had a 17T cog.
This bike is very original with all of it's "R" nuts etc so
I've always assumed the back cog was original as well.

SirMike1983 04-30-24 07:57 AM

Beautiful, warm evening here last night. I took this 1957 Schwinn Traveler three speed for a ride.

https://blogger.googleusercontent.co...429_182249.jpg

bwilli88 05-01-24 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 23220307)

What is that bag, it is sweet!

AD-SLE 05-01-24 03:11 PM

Need some wisdom. Where would l find a replacement fork? Yes, I need the steering tube length. Wheels good. Bike a good size as a commuter which my son is doing in Portsmouth NH. Wanting some tips or wisdom to find the parts to put her back on the road. AW hub reads 70 5 so a 1970 era bike. Used to be easy to find parts at the dump. Less so these days. I must assume straightening the fork is not an option?
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...85282b5e64.jpg

Decided I needed to take it apart and measure the exact length of the fork steerer tube. 205mm. Now the hunt begins. It also let me see the rest of the frame naked and whether there were any bends I missed. Just the stem and the fork... I need to reacquaint myself with where or if there is a trade forum. It would be nice to put this 1970 Sports back into use. PB soaking into the cotters. Then a deep clean.

Thanks for any suggestions on where I might locate obsolete parts.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...aff586d261.jpg

SirMike1983 05-02-24 08:40 AM

You're lucky the frame is not damaged from whatever caused the damage to the fork. These forks are often fixable but I think yours is toast because the bend is so severe. I'd try to find a direct replacement in coffee paint, keeping a close eye on eBay. Your measurement sounds right - a 23 inch Sports frame usually has a fork steerer tube of around 8 inches. You should be able to eventually find a direct replacement - 1970s era coffee bikes with 23 inch frames still do turn up. I haven't seen anything like this at the dump or thrift shops in quite a long time. I'd keep an eye on eBay or Facebook Market. I'd also put out a Want ad here in the C&V market forum.

Cyclespanner 05-02-24 09:12 AM

Good luck with your project bike.

Noticed you gave the stem a metric measurement.....
These bikes were built to Imperial dimensions; you may find using feet and inches will always take you to an exact fraction of an inch.

nlerner 05-02-24 10:03 AM

Another issue on looking for a replacement fork: You might find a temporary substitute while you wait for a coffee brown one to show up, but keep in mind that the threading on these was 26tpi, so the existing headset cups won't work on a more easily found 24 tpi fork streerer.


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