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Johno59 07-30-18 07:51 AM

It was called the Dynolamp rather than the Dynohub and was offered for sale in the 1938 SA catologhttps://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...faf44714ed.jpg

noglider 07-30-18 08:40 AM

@RobbieTunes, congratulations. 1959 is a great year for the Sports. Maroon with white sounds gorgeous. Why no pictures yet?

Stainless spokes, yes. While you're at it, get some aluminum CR18 rims.

An LED bulb may be an improvement, but I think you should still get a regulator. If you really plan to ride this bike at night, I would recommend a modern light. You can drive a Busch & Müller light with an old Dynohub. They have regulators built in, and I haven't heard of anyone blowing one of these out at high speed.

Lawrence_S 07-30-18 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 20477500)
It was called the Dynolamp rather than the Dynohub and was offered for sale in the 1938 SA catologhttps://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...faf44714ed.jpg

Great advert! Really helps with zeroing in on a date for this bike.

Lawrence_S 07-30-18 08:50 AM

Anyone care to posit an age for this Sports? I can't find any images of that swan's head stem (probably called something different by the cognoscente.) And what's up with the chaincase? Someone get tired of oiling through the pedal port, or did some versions come bobbed like that? [Edit: now I see that the rear lower inspection port is just missing.] Another white-flagged rear mudguard - looks like it had the flap.

This is near me and I may go look at it. Rear Dynohub supposedly still lights the front and rear (seatstay mounted) lights. Not my photo.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8fe711d727.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...30a533cdda.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...57fef300c0.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fa7d251ab7.jpg

BigChief 07-30-18 11:00 AM

The frame mounted guide wheel generally dates it to pre TI (1960 or earlier) but there's no saying how long these frames lasted into 1961. The shape of the head lug puts it after 1954 but I can't see the top tube joint to either the head tube or seat tube which could narrow it down some. For a few years in the mid 50s the lugs looked like this.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c950ff46c.jpg

Lawrence_S 07-30-18 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20477931)
The frame mounted guide wheel generally dates it to pre TI (1960 or earlier) but there's no saying how long these frames lasted into 1961. The shape of the head lug puts it after 1954 but I can't see the top tube joint to either the head tube or seat tube which could narrow it down some. For a few years in the mid 50s the lugs looked like this.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6c950ff46c.jpg

This looks different.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c27ab2991d.jpg

BigChief 07-30-18 12:10 PM

That does narrow it down. I'm going to call it 1958-1960 with a small chance it reaches into 1961. But this bike qualifies as a pre-TI in my book.

browngw 07-30-18 01:02 PM

NOS Brooks by Sturmey Archer
 
Picked up this black B66 at the Canadian Vintage Bicycle Show with its original box. A nice new double rail saddle for $75 (clamp included) Interesting to note the copper rivets and different font with England on the rear of the saddle. This one is destined for Sir Wayes A. Tonne and its' current newish B67 will move to the Root Beer Sports in the future. It looks unused and I assume it to be of '90s vintage?






https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2de5825b8d.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f749028f53.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...370c5894b8.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...08d3c762cc.jpg

Ballenxj 07-30-18 01:15 PM

^^ Another revelation for me.^^ I had no inkling prior to this that Brooks was a Sturmey Archer product? Thanks browngw. :thumb:

Lawrence_S 07-30-18 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by Lawrence_S (Post 20477950)

Thanks as always BigChief. Any comments on the stem? Seems to me there was a thread outside of this one talking about a particular stem that was only used for one or two years, but now I can't find it and I may have made the whole thing up....sigh...age.

BigChief 07-30-18 01:39 PM

Nice deal. This will look great on SWAT.

BigChief 07-30-18 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by Lawrence_S (Post 20478269)
Thanks as always BigChief. Any comments on the stem? Seems to me there was a thread outside of this one talking about a particular stem that was only used for one or two years, but now I can't find it and I may have made the whole thing up....sigh...age.

Doesn't appear to be a Raleigh stem. Looks like somebody wanted the bars higher than the original would allow. Still, you always want to keep the expander below the threaded section of the fork tube. Sometimes people get carried away and adjust the stem too high, but this looks like a extra length stem to me.

desconhecido 07-30-18 02:30 PM


Originally Posted by Lawrence_S (Post 20477619)
Anyone care to posit an age for this Sports? I can't find any images of that swan's head stem (probably called something different by the cognoscente.) And what's up with the chaincase? Someone get tired of oiling through the pedal port, or did some versions come bobbed like that? [Edit: now I see that the rear lower inspection port is just missing.] Another white-flagged rear mudguard - looks like it had the flap.

This is near me and I may go look at it. Rear Dynohub supposedly still lights the front and rear (seatstay mounted) lights. Not my photo.

https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8fe711d727.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...30a533cdda.jpg

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...57fef300c0.jpg

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fa7d251ab7.jpg

My wag is early 50s. Date code on the hub, probably concealed by OEM grease, will tell the tale.

Most of the seat tube and downtube decals, which would help nail down the age, are not visible.

browngw 07-30-18 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 20478265)
^^ Another revelation for me.^^ I had no inkling prior to this that Brooks was a Sturmey Archer product? Thanks browngw. :thumb:

"Was" being the key word. I believe it is now owned by Selle (Italy).

nlerner 07-30-18 03:51 PM

I acquired a 1938 Raleigh Sports some time back that came with a swan’s neck stem. I wasn’t sure if it was original, but I did see in the Raleigh catalog of that era that such a stem was an option.

clubman 07-30-18 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Johno59 (Post 20477500)
It was called the Dynolamp rather than the Dynohub and was offered for sale in the 1938 SA catolog

Great picture. It looks so similar to the BMW headlights with wedged pin key of the day but it's odd to imagine English and German designers copying each other in 1938.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a7b6069daa.jpg

BigChief 07-30-18 08:16 PM

Back in the day, we used to call those chicken head knobs. Old guitar amps had them. The rotary pickup selector switch on my Kay Value Leader was a chicken head. Ahhhh memories

Lawrence_S 07-31-18 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 20478611)
I acquired a 1938 Raleigh Sports some time back that came with a swan’s neck stem. I wasn’t sure if it was original, but I did see in the Raleigh catalog of that era that such a stem was an option.

Thanks, nlerner! I seem to remember a thread about such a stem but I can't find it now. Did it look anything like the stem in the photos I posted at #17567?

Lawrence_S 07-31-18 05:51 AM

Kurt Kaminer's "The Headbadge" shows the bike as ca. 1958-60 based on the seat tube decals. If I make it down to look at the bike I'll check the SA hub.

'The Headbadge': Raleigh Sports Visual ID & Decals, 1951-1982


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3f6f1406e0.jpg

gster 07-31-18 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20479081)
Back in the day, we used to call those chicken head knobs. Old guitar amps had them. The rotary pickup selector switch on my Kay Value Leader was a chicken head. Ahhhh memories

Yes, the old chicken head!
Seen on Kay's, Harmony's and Silvertones
We all seem to like the same old stuff.
Bikes, cars and guitars.....
I've got a nice Silvertone 1446
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...fbcd678070.jpg

BigChief 07-31-18 11:24 AM

I've noticed that these sort of interests cross paths a lot. To me it seems natural that someone who appreciates old English 3 speeds would also enjoy things like this old Harmony/Silvertone. I still have the Danelectro short horn I bought at a pawn shop in 1969. And the Kay...and a Harmony...and a beat Teisco Del Rey for that Hound Dog Taylor sound!!

gster 07-31-18 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20480129)
I've noticed that these sort of interests cross paths a lot. To me it seems natural that someone who appreciates old English 3 speeds would also enjoy things like this old Harmony/Silvertone. I still have the Danelectro short horn I bought at a pawn shop in 1969. And the Kay...and a Harmony...and a beat Teisco Del Rey for that Hound Dog Taylor sound!!

Yes, and old cars as well.

markk900 07-31-18 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20480652)
Yes, and old cars as well.

And old radios.....

gster 07-31-18 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by markk900 (Post 20480831)


And old radios.....

Agreed and vintage Hi Fi equipment.

BigChief 07-31-18 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20480890)
Agreed and vintage Hi Fi equipment.

True! A friend of mine has a workshop where he brings all sorts of vintage electrical things back to life. Similar to my old roadster hobby in many ways. You get to be part technician and part historian. It is a very satisfying feeling to bring some neglected piece of the past back to usefulness especially when you have to solve puzzles along the way. This hobby blends in perfectly with my natural love of cycling.


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