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thumpism 01-04-19 06:24 AM

Nice oldie at a decent price, and a fine contender for the "Crustiest Brooks" title.

https://richmond.craigslist.org/bik/...786419746.html

Vintage 1960's/70's Raleigh 3-speed - $65 (City of Richmond)

https://images.craigslist.org/00c0c_...oG_600x450.jpg

bicycle type: road
frame size: Medium
wheel size: 26 in Needs new tires and a seat, light rust that will clean-up.

Dan Burkhart 01-04-19 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20729328)
Seemingly... haha
Rode it around the parking lot at my shop for a few minutes and with a touch of tuning it shifted into all 4 gears up and down!
I think it must be a testament to thier design skill throughout thier history that this shifter from this year uses the same "clicks" as my hub from 64. The old adage "don't fix what isnt broken".

That's interesting. Their 5 speed shifters are not cross compatible across the generations of those hubs.

Buellster 01-04-19 01:52 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 20732019)
That's interesting. Their 5 speed shifters are not cross compatible across the generations of those hubs.

I was quite surprised. Found it on Ebay for $18 which is a lot less than the older 4 speed trigger so I figured I'd try it still hoping to rebuild the original someday.
if I can ever get the danm pins out! Haha

SirMike1983 01-05-19 10:49 PM

Nice day for early January...

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9_Kd4hCaD...105_155532.jpg

Ged117 01-06-19 05:12 PM

Pedal Blocks
 
Hi folks,
I'm slowly disassembling the '50 Sports. Currently I'm working on rebuilding the pedals, but I can't seem to separate the housing pieces. The axle came out fine, but I'd like to remove and wash the blocks and polish the housing. Not sure how to do so (the method for later pedals doesn't seem to work). See below. Thanks...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f97c8a2fc4.jpg

Bad Lag 01-06-19 05:25 PM

My bike is not English and is not three speeds. What it has is a sprung BROOKS saddle carrying a black BROOKS saddle bag. It is my homage to black English 3 speeds but with more than a few modern updates to greatly enhance the bike's usefulness - 8 speed IGH, North Roads bars, double-butted Cro-Mo frame, cantilever brakes and stainless steel fenders covering lovely big, fat tires.

BigChief 01-06-19 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20735231)
Hi folks,
I'm slowly disassembling the '50 Sports. Currently I'm working on rebuilding the pedals, but I can't seem to separate the housing pieces. The axle came out fine, but I'd like to remove and wash the blocks and polish the housing. Not sure how to do so (the method for later pedals doesn't seem to work). See below. Thanks...

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f97c8a2fc4.jpg

Those are just long bolts through the rubber blocks. I didn't remove them because I was afraid I'd mess up the threads if I hammered on the ends. I put some polish on a cloth and threaded it through to polish the chrome. I love these early style pedals.

thumpism 01-06-19 07:16 PM

Found this prize at a hole-in-the-wall shop's open house. Never seen one in the metal before. If it had been cheap I'd have bought it, but it was nowhere near cheap. Laced to an ancient Weinmann tubular rim.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97a0b78589.jpg

Dan Burkhart 01-06-19 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 20735423)
Found this prize at a hole-in-the-wall shop's open house. Never seen one in the metal before. If it had been cheap I'd have bought it, but it was nowhere near cheap. Laced to an ancient Weinmann tubular rim.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...97a0b78589.jpg

Look at the length of those spoke nipples. Looks like nipples made for wooden rims.

thumpism 01-06-19 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart (Post 20735446)
Look at the length of those spoke nipples. Looks like nipples made for wooden rims.

And the thinnest spokes I've seen in a built wheel.

clubman 01-06-19 07:48 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 20735231)
Hi folks,
I'm slowly disassembling the '50 Sports. Currently I'm working on rebuilding the pedals, but I can't seem to separate the housing pieces. The axle came out fine, but I'd like to remove and wash the blocks and polish the housing. Not sure how to do so (the method for later pedals doesn't seem to work). See below. Thanks...

A deadblow or wooden mallet should start the bolts moving, drip some lubricant in and they should come out without too much fuss.

jamesj 01-07-19 10:38 PM

Does anyone have a 1 inch fulcrum clip for the top tube they are willing to get rid off?

dweenk 01-09-19 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20737371)
Does anyone have a 1 inch fulcrum clip for the top tube they are willing to get rid off?

I thought I had you covered, but mine measures as 1 1/8. Could you shim it with a piece of inner tube? If you can use it, it is yours for free.

clubman 01-09-19 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20737371)
Does anyone have a 1 inch fulcrum clip for the top tube they are willing to get rid off?

I'll look tomorrow...standard Sports top tube yes?

jamesj 01-10-19 12:12 AM


Originally Posted by dweenk (Post 20739779)
I thought I had you covered, but mine measures as 1 1/8. Could you shim it with a piece of inner tube? If you can use it, it is yours for free.

I think I might have one of those, I just don't want to shim it cause the brake line runs along the top tube and it isn't the movable kind. I don't know maybe I'm overthinking it.

jamesj 01-10-19 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20740572)
I'll look tomorrow...standard Sports top tube yes?


Yes, just regular Sports.

Buellster 01-10-19 01:11 AM

Phew. So I was going at the pins in my 4 speed shifter, when the hole punch bent on me! I bent it back with some pliers but it just kept bending. The punch did not work. So I picked up a similair tool, one actually made to punch nails out of wood, it was much sturdier and I was able to bust it through!

Before I did this job I bought some small machine screws with the hopes of replacing the pins. It worked! They fit in through the first hole and then could be screwed through the rear faceplate. After taking them in and out a few times the metal widened and I can now just pull them out. Attaching a nut keeps them in place. To me this was perfect because I can adjust how tight the case is. I'm glad I went this route because I had to experiment with the old spring and how much bend was not enough or too much. To do that I had to take it apart quite a few times and had I been using the pins I definitely would have lost patience. Now I can service the spring easy if and when it wears again!
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f4a656ab3d.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a62484c2b4.jpg


Also it should be noted that though the new shifter works for awhile, that first gear manages to pull itself out going up hills or on heavy pushes of any kind. So it kind of works.
just an fyi to anyone considering it.

clubman 01-10-19 08:06 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 20740741)
Yes, just regular Sports.

Pm'd

BigChief 01-10-19 08:14 AM

A proper punch set is a great tool to have around. I have a Starrett set from my days as a tool and die maker, but even a cheapo set like this would be fine for occasional bike work. I would add a center punch to the kit for drilling.
https://www.amazon.com/Pieces-Pin-Pu...ords=punch+set

BigChief 01-10-19 08:16 AM

center punch
https://www.amazon.com/Starrett-117C...s=center+punch

Buellster 01-10-19 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20740996)
A proper punch set is a great tool to have around. I have a Starrett set from my days as a tool and die maker, but even a cheapo set like this would be fine for occasional bike work. I would add a center punch to the kit for drilling.
https://www.amazon.com/Pieces-Pin-Pu...ords=punch+set


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20741001)


Set one is the kind I bent haha picked it up at lowes. Likley using it wrong, or perhaps the pins were proper stuck.

Second link is similair to what I actually used to get it out. I'm glad i have them now. I'd say getting them apart is the toughest part, everything seemed pretty easy after that ordeal haha
The spring require significantly more tension than I would have thought. No wonder they wear down.

BigChief 01-10-19 11:39 AM

Springs will take a set after time. Somewhere back in this thread is a photo comparison of a new trigger spring and one that had been in use for 50 years. You can re-set them if they aren't rusted. You can also use a center punch to tighten up the press fit of the trigger pins if they don't hold tightly in the hole at the back of the case. A gentle center punch will flare out the top of the pin so it holds securely.

Buellster 01-10-19 11:54 AM

Luckily it was quite bendable still. I still have the new leaf springs in case I end up needing them but I figure since the old one could work, I should keep the spares new.
I didnt even try and set the punches once I found the machine bolts fit. I know it's not a full resto unless I use the pins but you've seen the bike it's on so it's not like I'm damageing any integrity haha
It just strikes me the bolts are a better set up than the pins, as far as future disassembly goes that is.

Buellster 01-10-19 11:54 AM

And thank you @BigChief for all the help!
I could not have done it without you. There a hundred videos for dissembling hubs but none for the triggers, without you I'd have been lost!

clubman 01-10-19 02:16 PM

@mtb_addict

Too hard to tell without pics. IMO very few Sports are worth $200, especially with trashed seats and rust. Many times, $50 is too much. You are more likely to screw up by jumping at offers without an informed opinion so you probably did the right thing. Don't stress, there's thousands of them out there. Where do you live?

BigChief 01-10-19 03:55 PM

In New England, $200 is a top of the line price for a Sports, but there are a lot of different factors that add or subtract value. Some of them are personal to me and not important to the marketplace. Some good features can cancel out bad ones, so it's a balance of what you want to end up with against what you're willing to spend. Many variations out there, they aren't rare.

Salubrious 01-10-19 04:12 PM

@mtb_addict

I have a nice Sports with a B-72 that isn't too bad. Its a 1963 IIRC. The frame is a 23". I have new brake pads, tires and tubes on it so its probably going to go for about $125.00 or so. Paint is a bit faded, but the graphics are intact. I'm in St. Paul; pretty sure its not worth the drive!

If that gives you any idea of what a Sports goes for... $200 in the condition of the photo you posted is nuts IMO. You did the right thing.

clubman 01-10-19 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20741820)
@mtb_addict
If that gives you any idea of what a Sports goes for... $200 in the condition of the photo you posted is nuts IMO. You did the right thing.

Funny can't see a pic. Flyin' blind. BirdBox! Maybe some idiot will ride a 3 speed in traffic

Salubrious 01-10-19 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 20741857)
Funny can't see a pic. Flyin' blind. BirdBox! Maybe some idiot will ride a 3 speed in traffic

You say'n photos or it didn't happen?

I'll see what I can do.

52telecaster 01-10-19 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Salubrious (Post 20741820)
@mtb_addict

I have a nice Sports with a B-72 that isn't too bad. Its a 1963 IIRC. The frame is a 23". I have new brake pads, tires and tubes on it so its probably going to go for about $125.00 or so. Paint is a bit faded, but the graphics are intact. I'm in St. Paul; pretty sure its not worth the drive!

If that gives you any idea of what a Sports goes for... $200 in the condition of the photo you posted is nuts IMO. You did the right thing.

i would have bought yours last time i was in the twin cities. Love to have a 23.


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