Rolling resistance ratings and tire wear
I’m curious if there are any opinions/experience here concerning how tire wear effects rolling resistance?
As my tires develop flat areas over time, I can’t help but think that it must have at least some level of increased resistance? Although they may still be safe to ride perhaps they become “performance compromised”? |
We all become 'performance compromised' over time. Some(things) more than others. :twitchy:
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As the casing gets thinner, it's more likely to be more supple and roll better, rather than worse.
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Originally Posted by Tomm Willians
(Post 22550384)
As my tires develop flat areas over time,
Rim brakes ? Barry |
Check out the bicyclerollingresistance.com series on GP5000S for a good demonstration of rolling resistance as tires wear.
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Am curious about the flat areas? I take it you are not skidding the rear tire so is it due to unequal material on your tires wearing faster? What brand and type of tires? Very perplexing since I have ridden for decades on all sorts of rubber and never seen this.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 22550389)
As the casing gets thinner, it's more likely to be more supple and roll better, rather than worse.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
(Post 22550431)
Am curious about the flat areas? I take it you are not skidding the rear tire so is it due to unequal material on your tires wearing faster? What brand and type of tires? Very perplexing since I have ridden for decades on all sorts of rubber and never seen this.
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Originally Posted by stevel610
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Check out the bicyclerollingresistance.com series on GP5000S for a good demonstration of rolling resistance as tires wear.
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I have been idly curious about that, since a person running their tire pressure higher to try to get lower rolling resistance will get more squaring off of the tread. How does that affect the rolling resistance versus a tire that has worn down more evenly thanks to lower pressures...
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Originally Posted by Barry2
(Post 22550397)
Assuming not a "fixed" gear bike...
Rim brakes ? Barry |
Originally Posted by Barry2
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Assuming not a "fixed" gear bike...
Rim brakes ? Barry |
Originally Posted by WhyFi
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I assume that he's talking about the squaring off of the rear tire profile.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
(Post 22550585)
I believe he's talking about the wide flattish center strip that tires, especially rear tires, wear to just from rolling, not the skid patches from braking.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 22550464)
I assume that he's talking about the squaring off of the rear tire profile.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 22550389)
As the casing gets thinner, it's more likely to be more supple and roll better, rather than worse.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 22550389)
As the casing gets thinner, it's more likely to be more supple and roll better, rather than worse.
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Originally Posted by t2p
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 22550389)
As the casing gets thinner, it's more likely to be more supple and roll better, rather than worse.
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The Vittoria Corsa's I had showed a very weird wear pattern. They didn't wear the outside longitudinal line tread but the tread thickness of the tire grew quite thin before the tread started wearing. For a long while I thought that the tread wasn't going to wear and then suddenly it wore down very rapidly.
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I wonder if the initial higher RR has to do with the tire taking a slightly different shape when inflated on a rim than it had in the mold, and then break-in is the casing having loosened up a bit to assume the correct shape. The tread theoretically ought to become more flexible as it gets thinner, but it must depend on whether it gets harder first... my takeaway is that you are probably best served with the thinnest tread you can get away with, especially if you take a lot of calendar time to wear tires out (like I do.)
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Originally Posted by koala logs
(Post 22552321)
Before I had this truly crap cheap Wanda king tires. But the walls are so thin it actually had much lower rolling resistance than my current Gravelking plus tires!! I can cruise a couple mph faster on it but flats so frequently I had to let it go. The walls felt like paper, crazy thin, while the gravelking plus felt like thick leader hide.
The initial increase in CRR for new tires could well be that once the tire is out in the real world, there is additional stiffening of the tread rubber due to oxidation. |
Originally Posted by KerryIrons
(Post 22551936)
This is correct. Less tread rubber to deflect means lower hysteresis losses. It sometimes amazes me how people tend to draw the exact opposite conclusion of what the data show, and what logic dictates.
The data present here supports the opposite of your assertion. |
Originally Posted by SpedFast
(Post 22550388)
We all become 'performance compromised' over time. Some(things) more than others. :twitchy:
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