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Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19261452)
Great find. I like that color too. If you wanted to, since it's a solid color and not the candy apple type, you could match this paint on an old 2 point hockey stick chainguard and use a downtube transfer since they're the same on this model. The new vinyl transfers are quite good. I have one on my roadster. I like to use One Shot sign painter's enamel. I buy small cans of primary colors and experiment until I get a good match. You can spray a clear coat or not and use a more coarse compound to leave the finish a bit dull. It's possible to blend in the new chainguard pretty well and who knows, after a few years of use it might look almost original.
Here's a 64 I finished up last summer. http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/f.../64_Sports.jpg |
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Originally Posted by dweenk
(Post 19262252)
A friend bought this for me back in October in Richmond, VA (the city where old Raleighs retire). I just got it from him today and must say I am pleased with the bike. It appears to be original except for the seat, shifter cables, and tires. The only problems I have found are a front tube that needs replacing and a broken plastic faceplate on the 3 speed shift trigger. It shifts through all gears, so now I only need to wait for a warmer day to begin the cleanup. Oh, I have a sprung leather saddle waiting for it too.
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Originally Posted by thumpism
(Post 19189376)
Swung by the co-op again this afternoon for a closer look at the European 3-speed I noticed there previously. After clambering over more junk than can be found in my own garage, I saw the headbadge and turns out it's a Condor, made in Switzerland by the same company that builds the Swiss army bikes. Photo below is not the same bicycle but looks very close, and those of you with Puch/A-D mixtes will probably recognize the bend of the handlebars, missing on the bike I found. Darn.
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Originally Posted by desconhecido
(Post 19261847)
Mighty fine looking bike and the chainguard looks like a match. those rims are pretty nice, too. The only ones of the original rims I ever got looking decent are on a 51. Didn't have to do much to them as they are some sort of different steel alloy and they hold up very well. They are the ones with the raised matte finish centers. I was pretty surprised when I started cleaning up the bike to find the rims in nice condition and stainless spokes, too. I think they stopped using those pattern rims and the stainless spoke in 52 or 53. By 56, they were gone.
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Originally Posted by Salubrious
(Post 19262199)
Looks like you could do with a metal pulley. You can get them and the metal fulcrum clip from Jon the Gentleman Cyclist- see the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour website for contact info.
The Lake Pepin 3-Speed Tour Gentleman Cyclist Merchandise |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19262891)
You got it...great! Been waiting to see better pics. Looks to be in super condition. This is one rare bike. I've never even seen a picture of one before. All the catalogs show the gents version. Beautiful bike. Bet you're gonna like the S5. I have a different version of the bell crank on mine.
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Originally Posted by dweenk
(Post 19263983)
I discovered another issue with the Sprint today. The chainring is bent so that it nearly rubs the chainstay. When I take it all apart for cleaning and bearing maintenance, I'm thinking that a no-bounce mallet and a wood block may straighten it out. Any better ideas/
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Hammering with a soft mallet works, but it's difficult to keep track of things. You need to have a nice wide flat surface like a kitchen counter top to check your progress. Because the wheel is dished and there's a fixed crank in the way, you need a 2"x2" piece of steel or hardwood chucked in a bench vise to use as an anvil and you work out the bend a small area at a time. You can also try to spot the bend by eye and chuck the chainwheel in the bench vise between two boards and use a steel rod through the spindle hole to make corrections. The trick is to go slow and keep checking against a flat surface.
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Originally Posted by dweenk
(Post 19263983)
I discovered another issue with the Sprint today. The chainring is bent so that it nearly rubs the chainstay. When I take it all apart for cleaning and bearing maintenance, I'm thinking that a no-bounce mallet and a wood block may straighten it out. Any better ideas/
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Originally Posted by thumpism
(Post 19262928)
Well, I went by the co-op again this evening and bought it. Don't tell Santa; she doesn't know about it yet. It's Swiss, not English but it has a Sturmey with the hub date of 78 and 700C alloy wheels, full alloy chainguard (never seen one before), broken taillight and no handlebars. Pics coming.
I really hate that it's missing some parts but I probably would not have found it otherwise, and the rest is in very good shape. Attachment 546584 This type frame must have a specific name. I'll have to research that. Union pedals. Attachment 546585 Sturmey hub from '78. Attachment 546586 DT spokes in a modest level bike. Must be a Swiss thang. Attachment 546587 Union front hub with oil port. Attachment 546588 |
My experience is also that the Westrick rims with the matte raised center ridge hold up better and are more rust resistant. They lasted through at least the late 1950s on standard pattern bikes, later on specialty export models. My 1958 Sports came with them stock, as did my 1964 Danish-export Dawn Tourist.
1964 Dawn Tourist rim: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BK7urL8pl...0/IMG_2956.JPG 1964 Dawn Tourist for the Danish market: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XVlWdiv7g...0/IMG_2951.JPG https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5ZSev8tVa...0/IMG_2952.JPG |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 19264969)
I've straightened a few soft steel cranks with the mallet/blocks thing 'in situ'. I also have a 16" adjustable wrench that allows you to push and pull the ring into alignment. No I don't worry about the hard steel BB's on these bikes, I find they tolerate the abuse. I guess it depends on the bike. It's easier than truing a wheel
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I plan to regrease the bottom bracket on the Sprite, so I may as well pull the chainwheel. I have a vise with wooden jaws, so I can give lots of support to the area in question.
BYW, the bike has a shop sticker on it that reads "Dieners, Pottstown, PA". |
I've straightened many crank arms over the years but only 2 chainwheels. Both were the standard Raleigh spoked type not heron wheels. The bench vise method did work, but I'm very interested in what clubman said about tweeking the wheel with a large wrench while it was mounted on the BB. You could just spin the crank and make adjustments by eye. I'm going to try this next time. I spent a long time getting those to lie flat on the surface plate. Bending it with a wrench would be far more efficient and may work just as well.
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Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 19265267)
My experience is also that the Westrick rims with the matte raised center ridge hold up better and are more rust resistant. They lasted through at least the late 1950s on standard pattern bikes, later on specialty export models. My 1958 Sports came with them stock, as did my 1964 Danish-export Dawn Tourist.
1964 Dawn Tourist rim: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BK7urL8pl...0/IMG_2956.JPG 1964 Dawn Tourist for the Danish market: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XVlWdiv7g...0/IMG_2951.JPG https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-5ZSev8tVa...0/IMG_2952.JPG |
Originally Posted by BigChief
(Post 19266423)
I've straightened many crank arms over the years but only 2 chainwheels. Both were the standard Raleigh spoked type not heron wheels. The bench vise method did work, but I'm very interested in what clubman said about tweeking the wheel with a large wrench while it was mounted on the BB. You could just spin the crank and make adjustments by eye. I'm going to try this next time. I spent a long time getting those to lie flat on the surface plate. Bending it with a wrench would be far more efficient and may work just as well.
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Just finished restoring my Huffy yesterday:
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Got er' done just in time for the winter solstice.
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1960 Raleigh Sports with 6 speed conversion. Except for the grips it is ready. Also, this bike has the Westrick rims as noted in the previous post.
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Originally Posted by 2cam16
(Post 19268376)
Just finished restoring my Huffy yesterday:
http://i67.tinypic.com/65zhfq.jpg |
Originally Posted by clubman
(Post 19268459)
Really nice work, best $10 Huffy I've ever seen. Don't forget to drizzle lots-o-oil into the rear brake housing. Water likes to get in there causing seizures.:eek:
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Okay, so it's not English, but German. However it is a 3-speed. Actually, it's kinda like two 3-speeds.
Vintage German Westfalen tandem cruiser bicycle Vintage German Westfalen tandem cruiser bicycle - $500 (Williamsburg) https://images.craigslist.org/01313_...K_1200x900.jpg condition: excellent make / manufacturer: Westfallen model name / number: Top Modell size / dimensions: 22" front post 21" rear post Reluctantly selling my 1980's Westfalen Top Modell tandem bike. This tandem is in beautiful condition, new tires and tubes, freshly tuned and ready to ride. Features a Sachs 3 speed coaster brake hub, dual Aero Continental cranksets, front and rear Weinmann side pull brakes, Pletscher rack, full lighting, chrome fenders, 26" CST Classic E-Bike tires with reflective sidewall. 22" / 21" frame that sports the original air pump, original tool kit, and a rear wheel lock built into the frame. Built and sold in Germany to a high standard with detail and aesthetics that are rare anymore and hard to find. This is a gorgeous bike that rides perfectly. I collect, restore and ride vintage bikes and consider this one of my best but it does not get ridden like it should! The bike is perfect for rides on the Capitol bike trail, Colonial Parkway, the oceanfront, or around Richmond. May consider trades of quality men's mountain bike MTB or road bike. |
Originally Posted by SirMike1983
(Post 19265267)
My experience is also that the Westrick rims with the matte raised center ridge hold up better and are more rust resistant. They lasted through at least the late 1950s on standard pattern bikes, later on specialty export models. My 1958 Sports came with them stock, as did my 1964 Danish-export Dawn Tourist.
Any idea how to rechrome that type of rim and retain the satin centre? The fellow in Greece has a couple of NOS ones but chroming might be cheaper! |
old Raleigh rims
I looked through old photos that I took when I acquired a couple bikes about two years ago. One is a 51 Sports
step through the other is a 56 21" Sports. There is definitely a difference between the rims on the 51 and the 56. This first picture shows, from left to right, 590 CR18, 51 Sports front wheel, 56 Sports rear wheel, two 79 Sturmey Archer rims from a 79 Sports http://fatollie.com/rims/rim1.jpg The difference between the 51 and the 56 rims is readily apparent. They don't appear to me to be the same alloy though they seem to be the same extrusion (or however the flat rim stock is formed) which is clearly different in shape from the 79 rims, though that may not be obvious in the photo. Of course, the obvious difference is how corrosion resistant the 51 rim seems as opposed to the 56. Here's a pretty clear photo of the 51 rim which shows the raised center section which is, I believe etched perhaps mechanically. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim5.jpg Here's a photo of the 56 which, for some reason, didn't come out as clear. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim2.jpg The brand stamping is not nearly as clear and though the raised center is sort of a matte finish, it is not nearly as distinct as the 51. Interesting, the "registration" number on the 56 rims is the same as that on the 51 rims, so it seems that Raleigh considered to be identical, though they were clearly not. Here's a picture of the weld joint on the 51 rim that was in the above pictures http://fatollie.com/rims/rim6.jpg There is very little corrosion and the workmanship/machining is, by Raleigh standards, extraordinary. This rim did not get any work other than just wiping the grease off with a rag. No steel wool or wire brushing or oxalic acid treatment -- just degreasing. I don't know anything about what alloy they used back then, but it wasn't, in my opinion, what the were using in 56 and the difference compared to the mid to late 70s is obvious. Here are the 56 rims earlier today http://fatollie.com/rims/rim8.jpg Apparently I cleaned these up with oxalic acid as there are still traces of that yellow crud that gets left behind. The chrome is mostly intact, except for the brake surfaces all the way around both rims. Note that the center section on the rim is a matte finish but, to my eye, not the same as on the earlier rims. All considered, these rims actually cleaned up reasonably well. But, I'll never use them. If anybody can use them, they can have them for the cost of shipping, or for free in Houston. If they prove useful, I'd accept some random Raleigh/three speed stuff considered by the recipient to be of equal value. No considered value, no charge. Specifics: 56 Raleigh EA3 rims cleaned with oxalic acid. 40h and 32h. |
Originally Posted by 2cam16
(Post 19268376)
Just finished restoring my Huffy yesterday:
http://i67.tinypic.com/65zhfq.jpg |
Originally Posted by desconhecido
(Post 19269372)
I looked through old photos that I took when I acquired a couple bikes about two years ago. One is a 51 Sports
step through the other is a 56 21" Sports. There is definitely a difference between the rims on the 51 and the 56. This first picture shows, from left to right, 590 CR18, 51 Sports front wheel, 56 Sports rear wheel, two 79 Sturmey Archer rims from a 79 Sports http://fatollie.com/rims/rim1.jpg The difference between the 51 and the 56 rims is readily apparent. They don't appear to me to be the same alloy though they seem to be the same extrusion (or however the flat rim stock is formed) which is clearly different in shape from the 79 rims, though that may not be obvious in the photo. Of course, the obvious difference is how corrosion resistant the 51 rim seems as opposed to the 56. Here's a pretty clear photo of the 51 rim which shows the raised center section which is, I believe etched perhaps mechanically. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim5.jpg Here's a photo of the 56 which, for some reason, didn't come out as clear. http://fatollie.com/rims/rim2.jpg The brand stamping is not nearly as clear and though the raised center is sort of a matte finish, it is not nearly as distinct as the 51. Interesting, the "registration" number on the 56 rims is the same as that on the 51 rims, so it seems that Raleigh considered to be identical, though they were clearly not. Here's a picture of the weld joint on the 51 rim that was in the above pictures http://fatollie.com/rims/rim6.jpg There is very little corrosion and the workmanship/machining is, by Raleigh standards, extraordinary. This rim did not get any work other than just wiping the grease off with a rag. No steel wool or wire brushing or oxalic acid treatment -- just degreasing. I don't know anything about what alloy they used back then, but it wasn't, in my opinion, what the were using in 56 and the difference compared to the mid to late 70s is obvious. Here are the 56 rims earlier today http://fatollie.com/rims/rim8.jpg Apparently I cleaned these up with oxalic acid as there are still traces of that yellow crud that gets left behind. The chrome is mostly intact, except for the brake surfaces all the way around both rims. Note that the center section on the rim is a matte finish but, to my eye, not the same as on the earlier rims. All considered, these rims actually cleaned up reasonably well. But, I'll never use them. If anybody can use them, they can have them for the cost of shipping, or for free in Houston. If they prove useful, I'd accept some random Raleigh/three speed stuff considered by the recipient to be of equal value. No considered value, no charge. Specifics: 56 Raleigh EA3 rims cleaned with oxalic acid. 40h and 32h.
Originally Posted by markk900
(Post 19268987)
I have those rims on my 1949 Humber, and for the most part they are in excellent shape, except the brake surfaces were quite worn and rusty. Cleaned them up and they work as well as can be expected, and I bought some replacement CR18s for when I eventually replace them, but the trainspotter in me thinks the rim profile and the matt centre are details too nice to lose.
Any idea how to rechrome that type of rim and retain the satin centre? The fellow in Greece has a couple of NOS ones but chroming might be cheaper! What I do when they're like that is clean up the brake with WD-40 and bronze wool or a bronze/brass bristle brush and just run them as is. If the brake track wear is through the plating but not through the base steel, I consider it "honest wear" and just ride them as they stand. |
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