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Buellster 08-17-18 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by JohnDThompson (Post 20512479)
That's not the axle moving; it's the indicator rod that moves the clutch inside the hub to select the various gears.

http://www.os2.dhs.org/~john/sa-nds-windowed-nut.jpg

Woah okay I gotcha.
So it seems I've lucked out by having the none drive side nut included.
I haven't had any luck finding the non window options as you said they seem to be quite scarce.
Is this a standard aw window style you are referring too?
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hub-spares/sturmey-archer-rh-axle-nut-cp-hmn129/?geoc=US

gster 08-17-18 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20512596)
Woah okay I gotcha.
So it seems I've lucked out by having the none drive side nut included.
I haven't had any luck finding the non window options as you said they seem to be quite scarce.
Is this a standard aw window style you are referring too?
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hub-spar...mn129/?geoc=US

From the sounds of it I think you're better off buying a donor bike for the bits and pieces,
Seriously, they discard these wheels/hubs out back of bike shops all the time.
Complete bikes are often at the side of the road.
Most bike shops have new 3 speed cables @ $8.00-$14.00.
If you ask there's usually a bin of assorted 3 speed parts in
the back somewhere.
You'll pay more for a couple of lock washers + shipping
than for a parts bike.
They're out there.

markk900 08-17-18 07:36 PM

@gster speaks the truth: all of the 3-speeds I have now were acquired as whole, useable bikes for under $100 CAD each. My current favourite daily ride (Miele ATB) was found thrown out *on my own street*. You have to be alert but they are out there.

however, did want to say I have had good service from SJS among others. LBS has bins of old stuff that I am permitted to rummage through and I find all sorts of helpful stuff for fairly little money (bought a practically unused AW complete for $30CAD. It pays to make the acquaintance of a local shop or coop and spend some time and especially money there...

BigChief 08-17-18 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20512651)
From the sounds of it I think you're better off buying a donor bike for the bits and pieces,
Seriously, they discard these wheels/hubs out back of bike shops all the time.
Complete bikes are often at the side of the road.
Most bike shops have new 3 speed cables @ $8.00-$14.00.
If you ask there's usually a bin of assorted 3 speed parts in
the back somewhere.
You'll pay more for a couple of lock washers + shipping
than for a parts bike.
They're out there.

There are a lot of unwanted stepthroughs out there, but it's too bad this hub didn't come with the complete package. I think a shifter was included originally too. He may need those special anti rotation washers, but having to find a cable,fulcrum clip, cog, circlip, a pair of spacer rings and axle nuts is unfortunate.

JohnDThompson 08-17-18 07:40 PM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20512596)
I haven't had any luck finding the non window options as you said they seem to be quite scarce.
Is this a standard aw window style you are referring too?
https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hub-spar...mn129/?geoc=US

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/images/p...edium/2474.jpg

Yes, that should work just fine.

Buellster 08-17-18 08:30 PM

+1 For parts bike.
I let go of thay rusty 21" 3 speed sports and I'm regretting it now. I got offered twice what I paid and my bike fund was looking paltry. Now it looks like it would cost me the amount I got out of that bike to get the spare parts I could've taken from it haha
I do see a lot of step throughs on the cheap...
does it matter if it's a schwin?
the market here is flooded with schwin step throughs.
My understanding is that as long as the hub is SA the parts will be usable, but I want to check.

BigChief 08-17-18 09:24 PM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20512801)
+1 For parts bike.
I let go of thay rusty 21" 3 speed sports and I'm regretting it now. I got offered twice what I paid and my bike fund was looking paltry. Now it looks like it would cost me the amount I got out of that bike to get the spare parts I could've taken from it haha
I do see a lot of step throughs on the cheap...
does it matter if it's a schwin?
the market here is flooded with schwin step throughs.
My understanding is that as long as the hub is SA the parts will be usable, but I want to check.

Except for Sturmey Archer parts, nothing from a Schwinn is of any use to me, but my hobby is English bikes.

Buellster 08-17-18 09:34 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20512881)
Except for Sturmey Archer parts, nothing from a Schwinn is of any use to me, but my hobby is English bikes.

I mean those are the only parts I want Haha
I'm not a particular fan of schwinns. I know they have some supporters but I just dont find them interesting.
I'm just wondering if schwinn actually used sturmey parts. Shifter cables, pulleys, spacers etc.

BigChief 08-18-18 05:28 AM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20512891)
I mean those are the only parts I want Haha
I'm not a particular fan of schwinns. I know they have some supporters but I just dont find them interesting.
I'm just wondering if schwinn actually used sturmey parts. Shifter cables, pulleys, spacers etc.

SA hubs, especially the older ones have top quality plating. Plus, they were sometimes protected by a coat of greasy crud, so it is common to find a totally rusted away bike while the hub cleans up to be in very good condition. That's why you see so many hubs for sale on eBay. Over the years people and mechanics would toss a rotted away wheel but save the perfectly good hub. 20 years ago it was pretty easy to find free English junkers from the 50s and 60s, but they are becoming more rare all the time. These days, roadside junk day finds are mostly Asian bikes from the 90s.

gster 08-18-18 06:21 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20513163)
SA hubs, especially the older ones have top quality plating. Plus, they were sometimes protected by a coat of greasy crud, so it is common to find a totally rusted away bike while the hub cleans up to be in very good condition. That's why you see so many hubs for sale on eBay. Over the years people and mechanics would toss a rotted away wheel but save the perfectly good hub. 20 years ago it was pretty easy to find free English junkers from the 50s and 60s, but they are becoming more rare all the time. These days, roadside junk day finds are mostly Asian bikes from the 90s.

I picked up a ladies bike last year for $20.00. Harvested parts include:
Front and rear brake calipers
Trigger in good shape
Handle bars and stem
Seat post
assorted cable clips
Clean rear hub (cut from rusted rim)
Pair of brake levers
Pair of grips
Most of these parts have migrated over to other projects
or into the parts bin.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...14d6a17886.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b281d5c97e.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ff85549506.jpg

BigChief 08-18-18 06:32 AM

wow, your parts are so well organized. At least I recently migrated mine from falling apart cardboard boxes into plastic bins. Good deal at 20 bucks. I see you got a good pair of single bolt levers out of it. Nice. These always come in handy for fixing an otherwise nice mid 70s Raleighs with auto those adjust disasters.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b8b68c5cde.jpg

gster 08-18-18 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by ascherer (Post 20512493)
A Dunelt, Royal Scot and Robin Hood walk into a bar...

On Grove Street in the West Village, NYC. As @noglider points out, these classics are not unusual in NYC and in particular in this neighborhood.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...67d9a1483.jpeg

Obviously, you've spotted the infamous West Village British Bicycle Gang.
They've been terrorizing New York with their incessant demands for
moustache wax and glutten free sustainable snacks
for months now.
Good work.

gster 08-18-18 07:27 AM

Raleigh Price Structure
I've often wondered how Raleigh priced their various lines of bikes and what were the differences
in the quality of components that would make a Robin Hood, for example, less expensive than a
a Raleigh branded bike.
I found a "spotty" weld on my Robin Hood.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d581bd374b.jpg
Perhaps, as parts came off the line, seconds (imperfect) were set aside to be used on the lesser brands.
Robin Hoods, Philips, Triumphs, Gliders etc.
Just a thought.

thumpism 08-18-18 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by Buellster (Post 20512891)
I mean those are the only parts I want Haha
I'm not a particular fan of schwinns. I know they have some supporters but I just dont find them interesting.
I'm just wondering if schwinn actually used sturmey parts. Shifter cables, pulleys, spacers etc.

Yes.

Find an old Speedster and take what you need from it, but a Schwinn rim is not the same size as a Raleigh rim so your wheels won't match. Other Schwinns also used Sturmey parts but those models might be more costly to purchase as a parts bike. You can sometimes find Speedsters cheap. My local co-op has a couple that would probably go for $30 each.

gster 08-18-18 08:02 AM

Scorchers Be Gone!
A few bikes that were set up as true Scorchers have reverted to a Semi Scorcher state.
Although I really like the look, my back and neck didn't agree.
They'll actually get ridden now.
1961 Superbe.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a4e4eb3d15.jpg
Before.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7565ca215f.jpg
After.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7dc4fa4240.jpg
Heron eye stamp indicates pre 1961.

gster 08-18-18 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20513209)
wow, your parts are so well organized. At least I recently migrated mine from falling apart cardboard boxes into plastic bins. Good deal at 20 bucks. I see you got a good pair of single bolt levers out of it. Nice. These always come in handy for fixing an otherwise nice mid 70s Raleighs with auto those adjust disasters.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b8b68c5cde.jpg

Yes.
Many of the SA equipped CCM 3 speeds and Gliders came with the double bolt levers that we both dislike.

BigChief 08-18-18 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20513298)
Scorchers Be Gone!
A few bikes that were set up as true Scorchers have reverted to a Semi Scorcher state.
Although I really like the look, my back and neck didn't agree.
They'll actually get ridden now.
1961 Superbe.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a4e4eb3d15.jpg
Before.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7565ca215f.jpg
After.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7dc4fa4240.jpg
Heron eye stamp indicates pre 1961.

I think maybe we should still call them scorchers. It's such a great word. I'm glad we revived it here at BF. Which reminds me. Reading through old Raleigh catalogs online I found another long forgotten word. Well, except for maybe @noglider, to describe smaller components attached to their bicycles. "fitment" . Fitment definition: an accessory attached to an assembly of parts. I think I might start using it. Yes, Raleigh did do an excellent job plating their chrome fitments.

Buellster 08-18-18 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20513209)
wow, your parts are so well organized. At least I recently migrated mine from falling apart cardboard boxes into plastic bins. Good deal at 20 bucks. I see you got a good pair of single bolt levers out of it. Nice. These always come in handy for fixing an otherwise nice mid 70s Raleighs with auto those adjust disasters.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b8b68c5cde.jpg

I do believe this is the exact same model as my sports. Mine is a 70-71.
It rides beautifully. Of all my vintage bikes it has actually needed the least work despite being the oldest.
What's the auto adjusting disaster you speak of?

BigChief 08-18-18 11:38 AM

Raleigh had been using the same brake lever design since the 1930s. I think they are elegant and one of the fitments I appreciate on old Raleighs. But by 1972, the Raleigh bad ideas department got very busy solving problems the bikes didn't have while ignoring other issues that should have been addressed. This bike doesn't have a date stamp, but I figure it from 1973 or so. At that point the classic brake lever design was replaced by a cheap looking pressed sheet steel lever with a clunky widget hung on the end with a wire bale that contained a ratchet that would automatically readjust your brake lever too far out as the pads wore. By now you're guessing that I'm not fond of them. I bought this 73 Sports on the cheap because the hub didn't work. I repaired everything and replaced the goofy levers with a pair of earlier ones I had. Except for the seat, it's a pretty nice ride now.

browngw 08-18-18 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 20513254)
Raleigh Price Structure
I've often wondered how Raleigh priced their various lines of bikes and what were the differences
in the quality of components that would make a Robin Hood, for example, less expensive than a
a Raleigh branded bike.
I found a "spotty" weld on my Robin Hood.
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d581bd374b.jpg
Perhaps, as parts came off the line, seconds (imperfect) were set aside to be used on the lesser brands.
Robin Hoods, Philips, Triumphs, Gliders etc.
Just a thought.

I don't think that seconds or imperfects would knowingly be used. I am though, thinking that large North American distributors requested models built to a price. I have a 72 Sports that is unlike others with cables pedals grips etc yet are obviously original to the bike. American catalogs seldom accurately depict Canadian import models. A recent Holdsworth I had was purchased in batches for Bloor Cycle and actually had some upgrades from the British model. Who knows. A friend of mine was in the bike distribution business said this happened a lot. A single change like a saddle would greatly change the profit.

thumpism 08-18-18 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by mtb_addict (Post 20513372)
how strong is the Sport step thru frame?

the seat stays are so skinny.
do u think a heavy guy on a small frame would stress thie frame?
i mean frequent riding on bumpy dirt poorly maintained roads.

what is the likely failure mode?

I have a 23" ladies' Sports in addition to my 23" men's and expect to be riding it when I can no longer swing a leg over the men's frame, and I hope to be lighter than 180 when I do that but am not holding out hope and I have no worries at all about the frame's ability to carry my weight, no matter what it might reasonably become. I have never seen a frame failure on a Sports, so don't know what else to tell you about that. The more widely exposed and traveled among us might be able to tell you differently. For the riding conditions you describe I'd realistically be more concerned about the wheels. If you're worried about the frame pick up a spare; that'll guarantee that you never need it.

ddeand 08-18-18 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by ddeand (Post 20510040)
Quick evaluation, please. What is the most you壇 pay for this bike based solely on the picture?

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...255610a00.jpeg

Thanks for the responses. It looks like I知 getting it for $60. I値l post photos when I have it in hand.

BigChief 08-18-18 09:35 PM


Originally Posted by ddeand (Post 20514198)


Thanks for the responses. It looks like I知 getting it for $60. I値l post photos when I have it in hand.

That is a super deal! All there except the Brooks saddle. Great looking chrome. I don't mind the dulling of the paint, but depending how deep the oxidation goes, it might gloss up to some degree with a polishing compound. I've had some bikes like this that shined up almost new looking and others that didn't respond much at all. You never know until you try, but even a wax will bring back some luster. Great find!!

ddeand 08-18-18 09:47 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 20514398)
That is a super deal! All there except the Brooks saddle. Great looking chrome. I don't mind the dulling of the paint, but depending how deep the oxidation goes, it might gloss up to some degree with a polishing compound. I've had some bikes like this that shined up almost new looking and others that didn't respond much at all. You never know until you try, but even a wax will bring back some luster. Great find!!

Thanks! We値l see what is there when I get it on Monday. Just from the picture, I know I値l be using a bit of aluminum foil and Tri-Flow on the chrome. On paint, I usually use 3-M Perfect-It II followed by Finesse-It II and the polish. I just hope there痴 no rust.. should be an interesting project.

gster 08-19-18 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by ddeand (Post 20514198)


Thanks for the responses. It looks like I知 getting it for $60. I値l post photos when I have it in hand.

That's a great deal.


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