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BigChief 11-13-19 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21206847)
Picking up this 1956 Sports with SW hub, original B66, and front hub oiler from fellow BF member WGB this Saturday (see thread https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...s-3-speed.html ) I'll take some more photos once it is home. I have a '56 AW in the parts bin just in case the SW doesn't prove reliable after a rebuild. Rooting around in a local bin, I managed to find a dynohub from 1947 (with the black outer section, like on my 1950 AG hub). While I get the bike cleaned, serviced, waxed, and ready for spring (alongside her 'crappy day or crappy neighbourhood' rough-looking blue 1972 Sports), I also want to build the dynohub into the front wheel so she can have a LED light system like I'm putting together for my Superbe. As you can see from the photo, the bike has the Raleigh heron mount for the front headlamp. Does anyone have a period lamp / tail light looking for a home?

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...edbb492e30.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...544cb4cae1.jpg

Looking forward to seeing this come along. Very nice bike. Might be good to find a different rim and build a separate wheel with the dynohub . Finding early 50s lamps might take a while.

paulb_in_bkln 11-13-19 06:31 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21205936)
There's a good story about those bikes re-branded a Centurions...
Wikipedia says:

According to Frank J. Berto,[2]
[3] Raleigh Industries of America had been looking at a Japanese source for their Grand Prix model. Raleigh America ordered 2,000 bicycles from Tano and Company of Osaka but their parent company in England, TI-Raleigh, disapproved concerned that the Tano-built bikes were too well made and would have outsold their own British bikes.

Raleigh's sales agent, Mitchell Weiner, who was reading The New Centurions at the time, took receipt of the bikes, placed Centurion decals on the bikes and marketed them successfully, subsequently forming Western State Imports after merging with Rick Wilson's company, Wil-Go of Santa Clara, California. Because the bikes had all been intended as Raleigh Grand Prix models, as Centurions, they carried the colors of the Raleigh America Grand Prix model.

That's a good story. Centurion turned into a very successful brand.

Ged117 11-13-19 07:38 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21207756)
Looking forward to seeing this come along. Very nice bike. Might be good to find a different rim and build a separate wheel with the dynohub . Finding early 50s lamps might take a while.

Thanks Chief. I was thinking along those lines too. I think a 26 x 1 3/8 CR18 for the dynohub would be a great idea, and the '56 AW I have could be built into a 40h CR18 for the rear. I'm excited to tinker with the SW. Being such an early model, perhaps it will prove too touchy for a reliable daily rider, but I'm going to try rebuilding it first to see.

Sturmey lights appear on eBay every so often, but attract a lot of interest and crazy prices. Since I have the dynohub and it is 73 years old, it'll need a rebuild and polishing. I imagine the lighting system will be put together early in '20. Getting the bike shined up comes first. It is going to be an interesting winter for bike projects. I'm cleaning up the '56 Sports, the '72 Sports, finishing up the light system for the Superbe, and putting my IGH Peugeot all together so it can take me to work on decent winter days when the paths are clear. I'll post pictures of the '56 when it is being taken apart.

nlerner 11-14-19 06:35 AM

^ I think that shifter would have been found on a Raleigh Chopper.

gster 11-14-19 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21208231)
^ I think that shifter would have been found on a Raleigh Chopper.

Sturmey-Archer Heritage :: History

Miradaman 11-14-19 10:41 AM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8239c3c44b.jpg
Just acquired an English 3-speed a few weeks ago, a 1964 Hercules, built I believe by Raleigh. I do like the way it rides but it's entirely too small for me and I was hoping to sell it for a profit.

gster 11-14-19 12:41 PM

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e3add1d18a.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...529d840c01.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5a8e4fc6d6.jpg

gster 11-14-19 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Miradaman (Post 21208604)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8239c3c44b.jpg
Just acquired an English 3-speed a few weeks ago, a 1964 Hercules, built I believe by Raleigh. I do like the way it rides but it's entirely too small for me and I was hoping to sell it for a profit.

You don't often hear vintage Raleigh and profit in the same sentence......

Miradaman 11-14-19 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21208864)
You don't often hear vintage Raleigh and profit in the same sentence......

I was starting to suspect that. But I only paid $25. If I end up breaking even that would be good enough, lesson learned...

clubman 11-14-19 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 21207994)
Does anyone know the model # or year of the Sturmey Archer 3 speed shifter. Been searching for awhile and cant find any info on it?
It is for sale on Ebuy but nothing for info. I really like it and would like to know more.
Thank you
Brian

Judging by similar models, the one you're interested in is missing a shifter knob or handle. Regardless of scarcity, these parts are rarely of significant value, so caveat emptor

HPL 11-14-19 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by brianhamp (Post 21207994)
Does anyone know the model # or year of the Sturmey Archer 3 speed shifter. Been searching for awhile and cant find any info on it?
It is for sale on Ebuy but nothing for info. I really like it and would like to know more.
Thank you
Brian


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...baa6481a0a.jpg

The lever arm looks similar to the "short console" 3 spd "stick" shifter (70B); may be a 70 series model (type C?). Sorry, I have no example to show for comparison.

clubman 11-14-19 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Miradaman (Post 21208875)
I was starting to suspect that. But I only paid $25. If I end up breaking even that would be good enough, lesson learned...

It's pretty clean looking so flip it without putting money into it if you can. Those twist grips can be fussy.

gster 11-14-19 12:52 PM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3cbdd8df87.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...5bb94c4990.jpg

gster 11-14-19 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by Miradaman (Post 21208875)
I was starting to suspect that. But I only paid $25. If I end up breaking even that would be good enough, lesson learned...

At $25.00 you should be able to sell for $100-$150.00.

Miradaman 11-14-19 02:04 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21208904)
At $25.00 you should be able to sell for $100-$150.00.

I already listed it assuming it would take months to sell and I'd ride it a bit in the meantime. Put it on Craigslist, Offerup, Nextdoor and Facebook for $100. Got a couple of inquiries but nobody's followed through. Hopefully next spring it'll move...

Miradaman 11-14-19 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21208886)
It's pretty clean looking so flip it without putting money into it if you can. Those twist grips can be fussy.

The twist grip is indeed fussy and the shift cable broke, so I'm shopping around for a replacement. If I could even make $10 or $20 on it I'll be happy.

BigChief 11-14-19 03:16 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21208888)

There's that kickstand again. Small world. But wait! I'm suspicious. I'm beginning to think this isn't really her bicycle! I'm starting to suspect that somebody just rolled it out and found a pretty girl to pose for the picture. No...I'm being too cynical. I'm sure she was out riding with her other pretty friends when she got those flats and one of them snapped the photo. Probably meant for the I hate flats thread.

gster 11-14-19 03:51 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21209087)
There's that kickstand again. Small world. But wait! I'm suspicious. I'm beginning to think this isn't really her bicycle! I'm starting to suspect that somebody just rolled it out and found a pretty girl to pose for the picture. No...I'm being too cynical. I'm sure she was out riding with her other pretty friends when she got those flats and one of them snapped the photo. Probably meant for the I hate flats thread.

Yes, I've heard that back in the olden days, companies would pose pretty women with their products
in order to generate sales.....
An interesting concept.

sykerocker 11-14-19 03:55 PM

Regarding the top picture: Not only are the tires flat, but where does it shift? Admittedly, my memory is faded, but aren't those rear stays rather bent?

Alloyboy 11-14-19 03:56 PM

Nice hat.

clubman 11-14-19 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by Miradaman (Post 21208974)
The twist grip is indeed fussy and the shift cable broke, so I'm shopping around for a replacement. If I could even make $10 or $20 on it I'll be happy.

Don't be afraid to put a standard SA trigger on it. They're plentiful and reliable and should be dirt cheap.

Miradaman 11-14-19 04:46 PM


Originally Posted by clubman (Post 21209252)
Don't be afraid to put a standard SA trigger on it. They're plentiful and reliable and should be dirt cheap.

That's not a bad idea.

jackbombay 11-14-19 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by Miradaman (Post 21208604)
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8239c3c44b.jpg
Just acquired an English 3-speed a few weeks ago, a 1964 Hercules, built I believe by Raleigh. I do like the way it rides but it's entirely too small for me and I was hoping to sell it for a profit.

I love the chrome fenders on the old Hercules bikes, mine is from 1963 and the chrome is still spectacular!

gster 11-15-19 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21209465)
I love the chrome fenders on the old Hercules bikes, mine is from 1963 and the chrome is still spectacular!

You can't beat that old British chrome.

gster 11-15-19 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by Alloyboy (Post 21209181)
Nice hat.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1417f96944.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a591b6c4b1.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6571a79394.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...80363f1422.jpg
I don't even like these choppers....

Alloyboy 11-15-19 07:49 AM

As a 88 year seniour.Thank you gster for putting a little colour in my cheeks giggle.

Ballenxj 11-15-19 09:11 AM

WOW! Put a pretty girl on a bike to increase sales, irregardless of two flat tires. Whoda thunk? :beer:

gster 11-15-19 09:40 AM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21209991)
WOW! Put a pretty girl on a bike to increase sales, irregardless of two flat tires. Whoda thunk? :beer:

Those tires aren't flat!
Oh, you mean the bike.
My mistake.

Alloyboy 11-15-19 10:22 AM

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a6fc3628e.jpeg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4aa65e2b8.jpeg

Bikes and curves.

Originally Posted by gster (Post 21210026)
Those tires aren't flat!
Oh, you mean the bike.
My mistake.

1936 CCM Flyte. Canadians like bikes and curves.

BigChief 11-15-19 02:47 PM

I never realized so many pretty girls liked Raleigh Choppers. I always thought they were over stylized and too juvenile. Perhaps I was over thinking the issue.


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