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adventurepdx 05-08-17 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19567854)
I try to keep overall costs within what I figure I could reasonably get back from a local craigslist ad, but sometimes I go over. I'm going underwater on my scorcher project for sure. All in all, it's not an expensive hobby.

Well, I don't look at my three speeds as something to resell, so I don't think of it that way. And for me, three speeds aren't a "hobby", they are a way of life!:D

Renngrrl 05-10-17 08:42 AM

Murphy Brown, my Raleigh Tourist Loop
 
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I'm up to 3 Raleighs, all now waiting to be rehabbed. But my pride and soon to be joy is Murphy the '76 DL1L.
Poor girl has been garaged a long time. I have new cream tires are on their way. I think she needs to be gone over in detail, the DH thinks she just needs new tires and a tune up. These photos are from the previous owners. I'm documenting the before condition but need a place to house them. Where do most people keep an online album?

I also have a 24" DL1 which we named Sheldon and a '72 sport not yet named. The sport was given to us up in Klamath. It's a smaller gents that fits me. It may be worthwhile to keep.

So weird question, do other people name their bikes?

BigChief 05-10-17 10:01 AM

Lovely bikes. I'm especially fond of this model. Congrats on your new L. If she's been sitting idle for a long time be sure to lube all the bearings. It's a good bet they're dry as a bone. Ever consider swapping out the 16T rear cog for a 20 or even 22T? Made all the difference in the world to me. Don't know why the factory geared them so tall.

Renngrrl 05-10-17 10:48 AM

funny you should mention that. I've been watching youtube videos on SA hub maintenance. My DH thinks I'm nuts and rolls his eyes then goes off to his shop to compulsively sharpen his hand plane collection ;) I'm also a novice rider. My commute is 5 miles each way with just one bridge. I found these for $250 for the pair while searching for a dutch bike for myself.

The saddle on the gents is cracked but I'm thinking of switching it with the vintage B66 from the loop and getting myself a new one in honey. Replacement brake pads should get here today. But I also checked ebay and freaked myself out a little. I'm a little terrified to wrench on her myself now.

noglider 05-10-17 11:10 AM

@Renngrrl, you got the deal of the year with those bikes. And Murphy is a great name for the lady's bike. I hope it's a reference to that woman who traveled extensively on her bike.

Renngrrl 05-10-17 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by noglider (Post 19573824)
@Renngrrl, you got the deal of the year with those bikes. And Murphy is a great name for the lady's bike. I hope it's a reference to that woman who traveled extensively on her bike.

The bikes were named after Sheldon Brown (of course) and Murphy Brown. I have to admit I didn't know about Dervla when I named her but I now I think it was the fates talking. I just ordered Full Tilt from amazon.

oldbicycles 05-10-17 01:54 PM

@Renngrrl Your bikes are lovely! Congrats. It looks like there may be a DL-1 loop frame in my future from the same era, and I am excited. I'm so glad to have learned about Dervia Murphy in this thread and have ordered Full Tilt, too. This kind of story is right up my ally.

Emily

Salubrious 05-10-17 02:28 PM

Nice weather expected this weekend for the Lake Pepin 3-speed tour!

I just finished installing the 22-tooth cog on the 1951 lady's Humber Sport, plus a Prestube rack.

BigChief 05-10-17 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by Renngrrl (Post 19573761)
funny you should mention that. I've been watching youtube videos on SA hub maintenance. My DH thinks I'm nuts and rolls his eyes then goes off to his shop to compulsively sharpen his hand plane collection ;) I'm also a novice rider. My commute is 5 miles each way with just one bridge. I found these for $250 for the pair while searching for a dutch bike for myself.

The saddle on the gents is cracked but I'm thinking of switching it with the vintage B66 from the loop and getting myself a new one in honey. Replacement brake pads should get here today. But I also checked ebay and freaked myself out a little. I'm a little terrified to wrench on her myself now.

Well, you've found the right place. I've learned so much from the people here on this thread. Some very knowledgeable and friendly folks with a genuine enthusiasm for these old bikes here. In fact, I had a DL-1 sitting around for 15 years and didn't ride it much. It was geared sooo tall and the brakes were soooooo bad that I did most of my riding on my Sports model bikes. But now, thanks to help I got from my friends here, my roadster rides and brakes well and has turned into my main everyday rider. I'm hooked on em now. Here's my '73
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browngw 05-10-17 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Renngrrl (Post 19573414)
I'm up to 3 Raleighs, all now waiting to be rehabbed. But my pride and soon to be joy is Murphy the '76 DL1L.
Poor girl has been garaged a long time. I have new cream tires are on their way. I think she needs to be gone over in detail, the DH thinks she just needs new tires and a tune up. These photos are from the previous owners. I'm documenting the before condition but need a place to house them. Where do most people keep an online album?

I also have a 24" DL1 which we named Sheldon and a '72 sport not yet named. The sport was given to us up in Klamath. It's a smaller gents that fits me. It may be worthwhile to keep.

So weird question, do other people name their bikes?


Some of them get names. Presenting "Sir Wayes A. Tonne", my '79 24"DL1

SirMike1983 05-10-17 10:03 PM

If you're into three speeds, the odds are good you will have multiple Raleighs. They made so many of them, that they do turn up in very good shape still. The parts are mostly available still if you look, which makes life easier. There's also a lot more "ready-made" data on them. You can Google stuff and find the answer to your questions when you begin work. You also have the "go-to" mods, common projects to make them more road-ready. Don't be surprised if you end up with more than three.

Here's an example: I re-built two cottered bottom brackets on three speeds, about a year apart. One was a late 1940s Raleigh Sports, the other was a 1941 Schwinn New World. With the Sports bike I could take a look at the project and know exactly what to order for it. The parts dimensions are commonly known and parts are readily had.

The 1941 New World had only its fixed up in place (yes, Schwinn offered bikes with cottered cranks way back when). Re-constructing a bottom bracket required calipers, thread measuring tools, and partially taking apart another 1940s cottered Schwinn to determine if I could substitute certain English parts for the missing Schwinn stuff. It turned out that Birmingham Hercules parts were a match for some parts, while I was able to locate a few 1940s Schwinn parts to finish out the rest.

With a Raleigh you don't have to do that usually. You can just Google or come here and ask. If you ask someone about the threading on a 1941 Schwinn bottom bracket they'll immediately tell you it's the weird 28 tpi Schwinn standard (yes for the one-piece cranks, no for the cottered, which turned out to be 24 tpi British/Birmingham standard). What about cotter pins? You can have Bikesmith make you really good, brand new pins for a Raleigh Sports. What about for that '41 Schwinn? I had to locate a known Schwinn pin and caliper it (turns out it's the same as what Hercules was making in the 1940s and I had two of those spare on hand). This is the sort of thing why 3-speed people usually have several Raleighs around - you can usually find parts and information about what you need without having to reverse engineer missing pieces.

BigChief 05-11-17 05:47 AM

True, 3 speeds are addictive and parts are available. Although, the bottom bracket spindle for DL-1s are different from the Sports and can be hard to source, so you will want to preserve that. I mention this because I have fixed up many old 3 speeds over the years and I generally find the bearings to be dry, caked with dried up grease and grime. It really is important to service these parts when putting a long uncared for bike back on the road. Most modern mechanics are clueless when it comes to old bikes. Which leads to the question of whether to invest in a few specialized tools and start wrenching them yourself. I answer with a positive yes. That's half the fun.

Renngrrl 05-11-17 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19575152)
If you're into three speeds, the odds are good you will have multiple Raleighs. Don't be surprised if you end up with more than three.

You can just Google or come here and ask. What about cotter pins? You can have Bikesmith make you really good, brand new pins for a Raleigh Sports. This is the sort of thing why 3-speed people usually have several Raleighs around - you can usually find parts and information about what you need without having to reverse engineer missing pieces.

Iíll be selling off the sport (cheap) because we just donít need it. The other two will be pried from my cold, dead hands ; )
I love that there is so much out information out there and help here. Thatís what makes this a project I think I can tackle. Now about those cotter pinsÖ ??


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 19575096)
Some of them get names. Presenting "Sir Wayes A. Tonne", my '79 24"DL1

Beautiful bike and great name. My loop weights as much as my commuter which is why it's gots to go!


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19574394)
But now, thanks to help I got from my friends here, my roadster rides and brakes well and has turned into my main everyday rider. I'm hooked on em now. Here's my '73

Another beautiful gent. I'd be terrified to ride Murphy daily. In Sacramento, she'd disappear off bike rack faster than you can say jimmy cricket with a hacksaw.

Originally Posted by oldbicycles (Post 19574222)
@Renngrrl It looks like there may be a DL-1 loop frame in my future from the same era, and I am excited.Emily

Big congrats! I was looking for a used Azor or Workcycle until Murphy fell in my lap. May yours be just as spectacular.


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 19575406)
Most modern mechanics are clueless when it comes to old bikes. Which leads to the question of whether to invest in a few specialized tools and start wrenching them yourself. I answer with a positive yes. That's half the fun.

My back patio is covered in bikes. The DH offered to convert our back shed into my bike shop for me. That man is a treasure. Raleighs need some specific tools and there might be another 3 speed acquisition tonight that will need BSC gauge tools, anyone have a list or is there a forum here that talks about such things?

Renngrrl 05-11-17 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by browngw (Post 19575096)
Some of them get names. Presenting "Sir Wayes A. Tonne", my '79 24"DL1

Question about your chaincase- is that an original older one that you replaced the half case with or is it aftermarket? I mentioned doing something similar at my LBS and the owner tried very hard to talk me out of it.

browngw 05-11-17 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Renngrrl (Post 19576832)
Question about your chaincase- is that an original older one that you replaced the half case with or is it aftermarket? I mentioned doing something similar at my LBS and the owner tried very hard to talk me out of it.


The full chaincase is original. Exports to Canada came with them. I read somewhere that shipping to the US had some tariff over a certain weight limit and the full cases were replaced with the "hockey stick". The full case looks neat but is a royal pita to set up and turns a rear wheel removal job into a tedious operation. I would not add one on purpose.

Renngrrl 05-11-17 05:11 PM

Rats! now I have to either find an earlier or non-US loop or live with serious chaincase envy. And I have to just say the geometry on those bikes is stunning

BigChief 05-11-17 05:30 PM

This is great! A workshop. A set of Whitworth spanners would be nice but not nearly as necessary as some other tools. A pedal wrench ,a cone wrench to adjust the bearings on the AW hub. Front wheel doesn't have lock nuts, so you won't need it there. Which reminds me...When changing your tires, replace the front wheel with fixed cone on the right side of the bike. Adjustable cone, with the flats on the left. Very important. Next a proper punch, about 3/16"s or so to remove the hub guts from the shell and the bottom bracket lock ring. I highly recommend a cotter press from Bikesmith. He also sells a handy tool for removing the fixed cup on bottom brackets, but it isn't necessary to remove this cup for normal maintenance. You can clean the fixed cup from the inside with a rag and stick. Other than that, normal shop tools will round out your workshop.
edit:
You can add an enclosed chaincase to your bike. Notice, behind the chainwheel, there's a mounting lug on the chainstay for them. All DL-1s have them

thumpism 05-11-17 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SirMike1983 (Post 19575152)
If you're into three speeds, the odds are good you will have multiple Raleighs.

Heed that warning. This photo was taken before I recently picked up a DL1.
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gster 05-12-17 04:16 PM

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Glad to see a big surge in activity on this forum.
They Say It's Spring

BigChief 05-12-17 04:36 PM

Hmmm. wonder why that link failed. I'll try it. Nice song.

Arrowana 05-12-17 07:32 PM

I've been wanting an old 3-speed for awhile, and I found this Raleigh LTD-3 at work that I think is a good choice. Serial number suggests 1973, hub says 1975. My plans involve 650b CR18's, overhauling the hub, a Brooks of some sort, and maybe a dynamo hub. The hub does not seem like it is functional in it's current state, I'm curious what I'll find inside. I imagine it will be a number of months before I have it done.
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gster 05-13-17 12:57 PM

Raleigh Tourists Wanted!
 
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I'm working on a television show that takes place in the 1920's and am looking to purchase some local (Toronto area) Raleigh DL-1 Tourists as props.

Looking for complete bikes, men's or ladies and would pay a reasonable price.

We picked up a nice ladies Tourist this morning for $250.00.

The one pictured was $150.00 but has had the rod and lever brake system removed and the rear hub has been replaced with a coaster brake.
My plan is to remover the triggers and replace the rear cogs.

Tires and brake pads will be replaced as well.



I've also bought a couple of old CCM coasters as well.

If anyone has anything please let me know.

jamesj 05-13-17 06:02 PM

How did you drill out the cotters? what did you do? any directions?





Originally Posted by gster (Post 19565669)
Progress has been made. Once again those cotter pins have proved to be difficult.

The drive side popped out with a couple of stern whacks of the hammer, the other side wouldn't budge. I ended up drilling it out with no damage to the crank or spindle.

Judging by the grease inside the BB, this bike hasn't been ridden in years. The cups look good so if the weather here in Toronto clears up it should be back on the road next weekend.

Front and back hubs cleaned and re packed with new tires courtesy of George at Parkdale Bicycles at 1428 Queen Street West.
Re assembly has started. I will replace the pedals with either some new MKS pedals or some old Raleigh pedals from the spares bin.
Starting to look like a bicycle.


gster 05-14-17 05:37 AM


Originally Posted by jamesj (Post 19581286)
How did you drill out the cotters? what did you do? any directions?

here's a video on Youtube (not mine).



Velocivixen 05-14-17 09:48 AM

@Renngrrl - most of my bikes have names. My hot pink mixte Univega mountain bike is called "Mountain 'Barbie'" but now that she's older prefers to be called 'Barbara'. My all original Raleigh Twenty folder is called "Miss Molly" the name of original owner. The all original 1972 Peugeot UO 18 mixte is "Yvette" - sounded French; the heavily modified '95 Trek 820is the "Apocalypse" bike. The 2015 Surly Straggler is "Sparkle Pony" referring to the metallic purple paint job.

So, yes, some name their bikes. I have 12 or so bikes and they don't all have names.


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