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JaccoW 08-19-19 04:26 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21081733)
I've never had one of these quadrant shifters, but if they're like the later triggers, that's an embossed brass face plate on the front. The chrome on the trigger face plates is quite delicate. It's not the usual type of plating. Only the front is plated and there's no plating in the embossed areas. It's like they printed it on somehow. If you look at the edge and can tell if the front is a separate plate, I wouldn't soak it in any acid like vinagar. It may eat away what's left. For sure, don't use any abrasives. If the front is one piece of solid chrome plated steel, you might get away with a vinagar soak. I would just clean off dirt and call it good. Nice find.

Yeah, most of the ones I've seen online have a brass plate. Probably because of others that have cleaned them in the past.
I'll be careful and keep it at a anti-rust gel + ultrasonic cleaner treatment and go from there.

gster 08-19-19 04:38 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21080469)
Got my hands on a classic SA shifter. Don't really need it right now but it was cheap and in decent shape.
Any ideas how to best get this into even better shape?

I'm thinking some rubbing with aluminum foil and a couple of baths in the ultrasonic cleaner?
Perhaps use some rust treatment to get rid of some of the spots on here?
Don't want to damage the chrome.

http://i.imgur.com/Lw6udxF.jpg

Good find!
I wish I had one.
Agree w/ BC.
I would just gently clean with some dish soap and a tooth brush.

JaccoW 08-19-19 05:02 AM

I have taken apart one of the "newer" 4-speed trigger shifters and restored it to working order but I don't think I will have to with this one.
It seems like a waste of the patina at least.

Here is the other one:

Before:
http://i.imgur.com/nVjUZB3h.jpg

After:
http://i.imgur.com/I35iCaVh.jpg

Ballenxj 08-19-19 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21081764)
I have taken apart one of the "newer" 4-speed trigger shifters and restored it to working order but I don't think I will have to with this one.
It seems like a waste of the patina at least.

Here is the other one:

After:
http://i.imgur.com/I35iCaVh.jpg

That looks really nice. Did you repaint?

alexnagui 08-19-19 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by JaccoW (Post 21080469)
Got my hands on a classic SA shifter. Don't really need it right now but it was cheap and in decent shape.
Any ideas how to best get this into even better shape?

I'm thinking some rubbing with aluminum foil and a couple of baths in the ultrasonic cleaner?
Perhaps use some rust treatment to get rid of some of the spots on here?
Don't want to damage the chrome.

http://i.imgur.com/Lw6udxF.jpg

Nice! Saw the ad on Marktplaats and you bidding on it. It has the right amount of patina!

BigChief 08-19-19 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21081935)
That looks really nice. Did you repaint?

I agree. This looks much better with the colors restored even if there's no help for the missing chrome. On this shifter, the colors were gone but the chrome was still intact. There is no chrome in the embossed areas so just a dull, plain brass was showing. I could only see traces of black in the "3 SA and England areas, so I didn't add red. I covered the areas to be restored with a permanent magic marker, lightly soaked alcohol on a piece of paper ( a heavier paper like stationary is better than shiny paper like printer paper) and wiped off the excess on a flat surface.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...85806c98fc.jpg
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...43c6d0f206.jpg

JaccoW 08-19-19 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by alexnagui (Post 21082141)
Nice! Saw the ad on Marktplaats and you bidding on it. It has the right amount of patina!

Ha! Seems like I'm not the only one with an active "Sturmey Archer" search. :thumb:


Originally Posted by Ballenxj (Post 21081935)
That looks really nice. Did you repaint?


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21082447)
I agree. This looks much better with the colors restored even if there's no help for the missing chrome. On this shifter, the colors were gone but the chrome was still intact. There is no chrome in the embossed areas so just a dull, plain brass was showing. I could only see traces of black in the "3 SA and England areas, so I didn't add red. I covered the areas to be restored with a permanent magic marker, lightly soaked alcohol on a piece of paper ( a heavier paper like stationary is better than shiny paper like printer paper) and wiped off the excess on a flat surface.

Nice result BigChief. I did something similar but using acrylic paint. Used some paper and alcohol soaked cotton buds to get clean lines. I went for these colors as they seemed to match up with pictures of the same model I found online.
Went through the trouble of disassembling the entire thing but that of course means you either have to replace the pins with new ones or drill the holes out for screws. I think I have a post around here somewhere with a bit more information.
http://i.imgur.com/7lXvTeCh.jpg?1
http://i.imgur.com/y9yYaOqh.jpg

julius rensch 08-19-19 05:31 PM

New Hudson with 3 speed
 
Anyone from our 3 speed group ever hear of o New Hudson (mine was purchased in Ohio at a Department store in 1954) very English, Brooks Saddle, Black Paint, including Tyre Pump, 26 x 1-3/8 Wheels, White Paint on rear of Mudguard...

price, at the time $49.00.

Eager to hear, Julius in Northwood, Ohio

BigChief 08-19-19 08:30 PM


Originally Posted by julius rensch (Post 21082932)
Anyone from our 3 speed group ever hear of o New Hudson (mine was purchased in Ohio at a Department store in 1954) very English, Brooks Saddle, Black Paint, including Tyre Pump, 26 x 1-3/8 Wheels, White Paint on rear of Mudguard...

price, at the time $49.00.

Eager to hear, Julius in Northwood, Ohio

Sure, New Hudson was a long time bicycle/motorcycle manufacturer. Things start getting confusing by the 1950s. Lots of brands got bought up by larger companies but the names lived on. For a while.

ascherer 08-19-19 08:40 PM

This weekend my daughter and I took a dad/daughter trip to NY/Massachusetts/VT. She really doesn't ride, but I brought my 66 and my wife's 74 Sports and we slow rolled about 8 miles on the Ashtuwillticook Trail. May be one of my best rides ever...

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3fad9fe556.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...aa901a2d5e.jpg

julius rensch 08-19-19 08:58 PM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21083228)
Sure, New Hudson was a long time bicycle/motorcycle manufacturer. Things start getting confusing by the 1950s. Lots of brands got bought up by larger companies but the names lived on. For a while.

Thanks Big Chief...my wife had a new Denault (ck spelling) very much similar to the Mew Hudson...sold by Sears in 1961

arex 08-19-19 09:24 PM

https://i.imgur.com/K7YVlfi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/694uar9.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/cX29Qf1.jpg

jackbombay 08-19-19 09:41 PM

What size tires/rims are on that sweet bike?

arex 08-19-19 09:58 PM


Originally Posted by jackbombay (Post 21083305)
What size tires/rims are on that sweet bike?

700Cx37, and they barely clear the fork crown. The rims are Sun Rhynolites, and way too wide for the tires. When I had the wheels built, I thought I'd be able to mount larger tires.

Ballenxj 08-19-19 10:20 PM

I agree! arex, that is one sweet resto-mod. The only thing I would do different, would be to retain the standard 3 speed style handlebars.

jackbombay 08-20-19 07:41 AM


Originally Posted by arex (Post 21083326)
700Cx37, and they barely clear the fork crown. The rims are Sun Rhynolites, and way too wide for the tires. When I had the wheels built, I thought I'd be able to mount larger tires.


Ahhh, thats still a lot of tire on a 3 speed, but you don't get to keep the fenders on.

I'm looking at doing a Raleigh with a 650b wheelset so I can keep fenders and have a large selection of tires. The one issue there is that there aren't many 650b rim brake rims available, I have found some, but I need to do some more digging.

gster 08-21-19 06:01 AM

Advertised as a 1951 Raleigh Clubman...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...148d64d8d9.jpg
A bit pricey @ $250.00

JaccoW 08-21-19 11:50 AM

Picked up a Koga-Miyata SilverAce today after the unfortunate end of my 1989 Koga-Miyata RoadAce project.

Probably a 1996 model with Koga's Hardtlite FM-1 tubing (chromoly, potentially splined triple butted frame tubes) and a high manga steel fork. Cream of the crop in 3-speed 7-speed city bikes at the time. Fairly light at less than 17 kilos (37 lbs) for a fully featured IGH bike.

As you can tell I'm pleased and I'll be starting a project thread soon. ;)

My plan is to overhaul it and turn it into a nice and durable commuter with SA drum brakes + dynohub and add some racks.

http://i.imgur.com/tWoS8ED.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZJ0OqKg.jpg

Ged117 08-21-19 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21085251)
Advertised as a 1951 Raleigh Clubman...

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...148d64d8d9.jpg
A bit pricey @ $250.00



Very, very tempting gster.....but it has a derailer?? A Clubman would have had an AW, FW or FM, perhaps an ASC in my dream world?

This one looks to have had a long, eventful life. The patina is fun.

BigChief 08-21-19 01:14 PM

I can't say for sure, never had one, but this is a different bike from the one listed in the 1951 catalog. Cool though it is.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c87772bcb5.jpg

gster 08-21-19 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Ged117 (Post 21085879)
Very, very tempting gster.....but it has a derailer?? A Clubman would have had an AW, FW or FM, perhaps an ASC in my dream world?

This one looks to have had a long, eventful life. The patina is fun.

I'd need a date verification and a better price....
g

BigChief 08-22-19 06:52 AM


Originally Posted by gster (Post 21086467)
I'd need a date verification and a better price....
g

I wonder why the seller claims it to be a 51 Clubman. Looks to be taller than a 22" frame, no guide wheel mount brazed to the top tube, no chrome socks, different mudguard stay mounts and appears to have 26" wheels. Can't see the crank or lug shapes. An earlier version or something like a Lenton perhaps?

gster 08-23-19 04:54 AM


Originally Posted by BigChief (Post 21086990)
I wonder why the seller claims it to be a 51 Clubman. Looks to be taller than a 22" frame, no guide wheel mount brazed to the top tube, no chrome socks, different mudguard stay mounts and appears to have 26" wheels. Can't see the crank or lug shapes. An earlier version or something like a Lenton perhaps?

I don't have your level of knowledge re: dating these older bikes but I agree that
the date seems off.
here's a lug detail
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3666eeca21.jpg

paulb_in_bkln 08-23-19 06:25 AM

This doesn't seem fair. Mike, the owner of my LBS, found, abandoned and unlocked, a 1953 Schwinn Superior SA three-speed with a generator rear hub. Fillet brazed, cottered crank, unbent and in excellent condition missing just the original saddle, one grip, a pedal, and the headlight lens. But otherwise the fenders, the chain cover, rims, all in good shape. I'm sure I've seen this chainring before. Could someone remind me about it?https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...abf4a82773.jpg

noglider 08-23-19 07:52 AM

@groth, the NYC Century is a difficult century because there are so many stops for red lights and other kinds of traffic. There are plenty of hills. They're not amazingly challenging hills, but combined with the stop-and-go, you will find them to present a challenge. I'm not discouraging you from taking your 3-speed, but don't expect it to be an easy ride.

Maybe you'll see me there. I'm participating as a marshal.


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